DC DC - Chandra Levy, 24, Washington DC, 1 May 2001 *found deceased in 2002*

  • #181
About the necklace in the missing poster, I am guessing that a female in Joyce's family or maybe even Roger would remember when she acquired the necklace and under which circumstances. IF IF IF the acquisition would tie in to the time frame of the 'working' relationship of Joyce and Condit that would be interesting.

PLUS the necklace would still be in the family NOW as part of the belongings Joyce left behind, IF IF it isn't then perhaps it was spirited away like the watch box was.

OR OR the friends with which she had dinner with the night she disappeared could remember if she was wearing it that night.

What state do you live in rd, are you near DC. Perhaps a visit to Roger would be in order, you should have easy access since your book was written about Chandra. I would think you might be very well received by Roger and his family.

An oops in order for me on the purchase of the watch. My memory is dimming on that which I followed so closely at the time. Convenient garbage disposal, wonder what other trash cans he visited that day!



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  • #182
Camper and rd, I am eavesdropping here. Actually I got a notice that I had received a reply, but maybe it was some other reply.

Camper, or rd, or even me, why couldn't you contact Roger by email, or telephone, or postal mail. That sounds like a real lead to somewhere.

Rd, I don't think you are going to be in that area, but fallout, James, might get into that area.

Camper, james is another member of rd's website who lives in the general New York and Virginia vicinity. He might be able to contact Roger.

benn8
 
  • #183
No, Camper, I'm not able to get to DC now. I just made two trips to Florida for job interviews and was not hired and that tapped out my traveling money. And my jeep is broke down and I'm waiting for parts for it.

I did make a few trips to DC in the last couple of years, to research Luray and Rock Creek Park, DuPont Circle, Klingle Mansion, etc. I hope the personal research comes through when one reads Murder on a Horse Trail.

I also made a trip a year ago when I published the book to give to journalists I quoted with a thank you note. It is really the excellent investigative reporting of Allan Lengel of the Washington Post and Michael Doyle of the Modesto Bee that uncovered so much behind Chandra's disappearance, and the many interviews done by Larry King and Greta that provide the details you don't get in news reports that allowed this book to be written.

I thought Murder on a Horse Trail would be a wonderful paperback, the story is really compelling, the mystery complex, the questions intriguing, but agents and publishers weren't interested or weren't responding. When the judge allowed Condit's suit againt Dominick to go forward, I said to myself I have to get this out there so people know the whole story, not the spin on each seemingly random event that made the news, so I published it myself and put it on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, etc.

I still have hopes of getting it out there as a cheap pocket paperback within easy reach on the paperback racks but I guess Condit has scared everyone off with his lawsuits. So maybe someday.

In the meantinme, I'm tapped out, so hopefully someone else can contact Roger, who is probably pretty busy at the moment with his own problems, as we discussed above. :)

rd
 
  • #184
Have you tried to get yourself on a network TV news interview, Greta or LKL? LKL should be hot to get you on!!!!!!!!!



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  • #185
I wasn't trying to get on a show, Camper, but I took my book to CNN, Fox, Washington Post, etc. to the attention of Larry King, Greta, Allan Lengel, etc. I thought they'd be interested in the story from so many interviews and news coverage being put together into a mystery.

All I wanted was the panels that discussed the case in 2001 (minus Barbara Olsen of course, lost in 9/11) to discuss the questions I raise throughout the book. I think that even an objective review of Murder on a Horse Trail would show questions raised in new and more compelling contexts.

I can only hazard guesses as to why none of the shows I quoted were interested in discussing it, but certainly I think Condit's lawsuit against Dominick Dunne has stifled them for a start.

Maybe when Dominick prevails in this lawsuit the media will be able to talk again about the unanswered questions in Chandra's disappearance.

rd
 
  • #186
rd, guess what I had a brain storm. Send one to ART BELL, on Coast to Coast radio program. He lives in Parump sp? NV.

He is not afraid of ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Check out his web site, Coasttocoast.com and send him a copy of your book and a note. He has MILLIONS upon MULLIONS of listeners.

He created this program and is semi retired, does the Saturday and Sunday night shows, and George Noory does M-F shows.

He is on the FM dial. He could get your book off the ground, I am guessing.



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  • #187
Yes, I am familiar with Art Bell from other subjects, and you're right, he is absolutely not afraid of anything. :) Good idea, Camper, I'll work on getting a copy to him.

My goal is to get a grand jury in DC or Stanislaus County or both to start asking the questions in Murder on a Horse Trail under oath, not of Condit, who has taken the Fifth and won't answer any questions, but of everyone else.

My contention is that the answers to all the answerable questions will lead toward the answers of seemingly unanswerable questions.

rd
 
  • #188
Keep us posted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Art is Smart', now I am a poet, who knew ?, hee hee.



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  • #189
I am a member of Websleuths and I have just started a website devoted to unsolved celebrity murders. Chandra Levy is one forum. If you would like to post about her on the site, you're welcomed to. We are also putting together the pieces of the lives and mysterious deaths of these notables: Princess Diana, Marilyn Monroe, Karyn Kupcinet, Mary Pinchot Meyer and Dorothy Kilgallen.

jigsaw.jfkresearch.com/forum

We also welcome discussions on Robert Blake (Verdict Watch), Phil Spector and Michael Jackson. And we have a little nook to talk about other celebrities and Crime, such as Victoria Gotti or Bill Cosby.

We have a thread about Hunter Thompson. There is evidence that his wife had lied, probably out of fear, and he was murdered, not a suicide victim. So we're going to keep a vigil on that case. He had hard evidence about our govt and 9/11. We also have a forum for OJ Simpson, as people are still interested in him. A new book is out saying that he was covering up what his son Jason did. Jason supposedly killed Nicole and Ron, then called OJ. Simpson drove to the house; was on the scene and made the decision to protect Jason.

jigsaw.jfkresearch.com/forum

Stop by and register. It's free and quick. Bring your opinions, theories and substantiated facts. We're up and running.

See you there, jigsaw.jfkresearch.com/forum
Kathy C for the Administrator
 
  • #190
rd_jfc said:
Yes, I am familiar with Art Bell from other subjects, and you're right, he is absolutely not afraid of anything. :) Good idea, Camper, I'll work on getting a copy to him.

My goal is to get a grand jury in DC or Stanislaus County or both to start asking the questions in Murder on a Horse Trail under oath, not of Condit, who has taken the Fifth and won't answer any questions, but of everyone else.

My contention is that the answers to all the answerable questions will lead toward the answers of seemingly unanswerable questions.

rd
A long time ago, long before I ever joined any crime forums, rd's posts at a defunct forum "whereschandra" are what I looked forward to reading every day. They were always thought provoking.

I finally bought your book rd. My husband and I are reading it now. I'm only a few chapters in, but I must say, from what I've read so far, the writing is quite good and and your book appears to be well researched. I'm enjoying it very much.

Thank you for all the work you put into this tremendous effort. I hope you do send your book to Art Bell. Good luck with that, and let us know if he decides to have you on his program!
 
  • #191
Sprocket said:
A long time ago, long before I ever joined any crime forums, rd's posts at a defunct forum "whereschandra" are what I looked forward to reading every day. They were always thought provoking.

I finally bought your book rd. My husband and I are reading it now. I'm only a few chapters in, but I must say, from what I've read so far, the writing is quite good and and your book appears to be well researched. I'm enjoying it very much.

Thank you for all the work you put into this tremendous effort. I hope you do send your book to Art Bell. Good luck with that, and let us know if he decides to have you on his program!



-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.

rd, I have just finished reading "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. There are critical dates in the book that I do think cause Chandra and Joyce to have seen or known something about terrorists being in our country illegally, that they picked up on. Chandra with the prison system and Joyce with INS.

They may have relayed this information to Condit. I would think rd, that if you were to contact Jayna Davis, that she would be a goldmine of helpfulness to perhaps TIE all of this mess into one big beautiful package of perversion and involvement by our Mr. C. and company. She is INCREDIBLE in her digging abilities, and the tenacity with which she clung on to and prevailed.

rd, did you ever dig up just HOW LONG Mr. C. was working with the House Intelligence Committee? I am wondering how he ever came to be involved with INS dealings? I am wondering about 'What he knew, and HOW long did he know it?'

Artie Johnson told it well, 'verrry interestink'.
 
  • #192
Camper said:
-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.

rd, I have just finished reading "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. There are critical dates in the book that I do think cause Chandra and Joyce to have seen or known something about terrorists being in our country illegally, that they picked up on. Chandra with the prison system and Joyce with INS.

They may have relayed this information to Condit. I would think rd, that if you were to contact Jayna Davis, that she would be a goldmine of helpfulness to perhaps TIE all of this mess into one big beautiful package of perversion and involvement by our Mr. C. and company. She is INCREDIBLE in her digging abilities, and the tenacity with which she clung on to and prevailed.

rd, did you ever dig up just HOW LONG Mr. C. was working with the House Intelligence Committee? I am wondering how he ever came to be involved with INS dealings? I am wondering about 'What he knew, and HOW long did he know it?'

Artie Johnson told it well, 'verrry interestink'.
I bought a brand new copy on amazon.com. There were several. I really wanted to get an hard cover, but could not justify the expense.
 
  • #193
I think Chandra is long overdue for her own forum on here (maybe she had one back in the day.) One of our brilliant sleuthers just might be able to crack the case, once and for all, if everything was discussed in one prominant place.
 
  • #194
Sprocket said:
A long time ago, long before I ever joined any crime forums, rd's posts at a defunct forum "whereschandra" are what I looked forward to reading every day. They were always thought provoking.

I finally bought your book rd. My husband and I are reading it now. I'm only a few chapters in, but I must say, from what I've read so far, the writing is quite good and and your book appears to be well researched. I'm enjoying it very much.

Thank you for all the work you put into this tremendous effort. I hope you do send your book to Art Bell. Good luck with that, and let us know if he decides to have you on his program!


That's a good thing for a writer to hear, Sprocket. Thanks for the kind words. :) All that discussion we had on crime forums greatly influenced what I wrote.

I am of the opinion that a normal writer who would just pick the subject of Chandra's disappearance and research it to write a book will not begin to be able to capture the nuances that thousands of people have worked toward on the internet boards discussing this case.

I participated throughout, and I think that those nuances run throughout the mystery I write. It makes for a very complex mystery, otherwise we would have distilled this to a jog in the park gone wrong long ago, as I'm sure you agree, Sprocket.

Obviously, I wish that it was less of a mystery and more of answers found by a grand jury, but I did research this to be a foundation to get every question in Murder on a Horse Trail answered by someone, who remains to be seen.

But in the meantime, everything people saw in the news back then are bits and pieces, and when it gets put together like this it becomes a story with actions within contexts and yet more actions. They become more than bits and pieces, they whole is more than the sum of the pieces.

I hope we get to discuss some of the writing here at ws.com in this thread. I know Chandra is a Cold Case, but the intent of Murder on a Horse Trail is to change that.

regards,
Ralph Daugherty
author, Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy
 
  • #195
Sprocket said:
I bought a brand new copy on amazon.com. There were several. I really wanted to get an hard cover, but could not justify the expense.


I agree, Sprocket, and let me give you all a little background on that. Believe it or not, it ties in to Dominick Dunne so is actually quite current now.

My goal was to get a book out about Chandra for the May 1 date of her disappearance last year, so I started writing it more than a year ago. It took a few months, but I held off contacting publishers in the belief that a completed book would have more of a chance than a promise of one.

Of special interest to websleuthers, and unknown to me, is that publishers seem to have an across the board ban on publishing anything on open cases. I had considered what I was doing along the lines of what Dominck Dunne and Mark Furrman had done with their books on the Martha Moxley case, but apparently Chandra's case isn't nearly cold enough to be considered.

For example, and I'm glad I knew this later after I wrote the book, Ann Rule and other major true crime writers say that they only write on closed cases, that is closed after a verdict, so this is apparently a true crime thing between writers and publishers to keep from being sued and interfere with cases.

In addition, I'm no Dominick Dunne or Mark Fuhrman, so rd :) didn't have any name power to get a book on a cold case published. In this case, I thought the notoriety of Chandra's case would overcome all that and get publishers to at least take a look, but part of the notoriery was Condit suing people right and left, so the "we don't publish unsolved true crimes" rule especially stood when it came to Condit.

As April, 2004 rolled toward May 1, I debated publishing it myself. I was tight on money but more importantly it wouldn't be in bookstores, just on the many internet book sites such as Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books-a-Million, and others.

Worse of all, I couldn't publish a pocket paperback. That really hurt because I wanted this out as easy to pick up, easy to take with you somewhere, easy to read, and easy on the wallet. I was very disappointed when pocket paperback publishers also had the "we don't publish unsolved cases" rule.

But then, with just three weeks to go before May 1, I saw where the judge allowed Condit's case against Dominick to go forward, and I said that's it, I've got to get this out there to show that Dominick was very much justified in believing what he was told and repeating it with the qualifier that he didn't know if the stories he was being told were true, but Condit was hiding something. I felt the book would help make that case, and I launched it and completed publishing it by April 28, just in time to be out there on the internet by May 1.

I paid extra to have both what's called a trade paperback and hardcover versions published. The trade paperback is identical to the hardcover in size and content, just with a soft cover instead of a hard cover. The hard cover is $10 more at $32. I agree, that is excessive. That's just the costs of printing these a few at a time, however.

The reason I did it however, is that if sales took off, through my publisher Barnes & Noble would do a print run of hardcovers and offer them in their stores for a normal hardcover price. I wanted it to be ready for that and have it out there at a reasonable price.

For that matter, the same thing is true for the pocket paperback. I would love to see it out there on paperback racks and give Chandra's story and just what happened when she disappeared the wide availability a paperback offers.

Apparently, it could be when the case is closed. But the point of the book is that her case will not be closed if questions aren't answered. So the best I can do now is offer it on Amazon and other book sites as a hardcover size with both soft and hard covers, and make this mystery as understandable as possible.

Thanks for finding the book and reading it, Sprocket.

rd
 
  • #196
Dark Knight said:
I think Chandra is long overdue for her own forum on here (maybe she had one back in the day.) One of our brilliant sleuthers just might be able to crack the case, once and for all, if everything was discussed in one prominant place.


I see this as dominoes falling. One question getting answered will lead to another getting answered and another. I think there are a lot of questions that can be answered by people interested in this case.

rd
 
  • #197
Camper said:
-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.

rd, I have just finished reading "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. There are critical dates in the book that I do think cause Chandra and Joyce to have seen or known something about terrorists being in our country illegally, that they picked up on. Chandra with the prison system and Joyce with INS.

They may have relayed this information to Condit. I would think rd, that if you were to contact Jayna Davis, that she would be a goldmine of helpfulness to perhaps TIE all of this mess into one big beautiful package of perversion and involvement by our Mr. C. and company. She is INCREDIBLE in her digging abilities, and the tenacity with which she clung on to and prevailed.

rd, did you ever dig up just HOW LONG Mr. C. was working with the House Intelligence Committee? I am wondering how he ever came to be involved with INS dealings? I am wondering about 'What he knew, and HOW long did he know it?'

Artie Johnson told it well, 'verrry interestink'.



hi Camper,

I hope you got my email. If not, my email address is [email protected].

I believe Condit was on the Intelligence Committee since about 1994 when it was widely whispered that he was going to go Republican and was a force with his blue dog block of conservative Democrat votes. I believe he was offered the most prestigious committee assignments that he wanted, and he apparently wanted the Intelligence Committee for some reason.

It is at this time that he would be co-sponsoring an immigration bill with another California Congressman whom Joyce Chiang worked for as laison on immigration matters.

1994 is also the year that the girl who gave him the Tag Heuer watch was his chief assistant and secretly living with him in his Adams Morgan apartment. It is also incredibly the year that OC Thomas told Chandra's mother just before Chandra disappeared that Condit had been dating his then 18 year old daughter. His 18 year old daughter did have a son that year, father's name is withheld on the birth certificate to this day.

I don't know what Condit's interest was to be on the Intelligence Committee, but I write in Murder on a Horse Trail that he acted as an intelligence operative. He demanded likewise of Chandra, and something got her killed and dumped down a mountainside off of a horse trail.

As usual, secret agent Condit's whereabouts were unknown.

rd
 
  • #198
My skin is crawling as I read the last few posts here.

rd, in TTT book, I find it interesting that during Jayna's travail/investigation of Okla Cith Bombing, that senator James Imhoff R-Okla, sent an assistant to request that Hussain Al-Hussaini be 'Cleared', in the FACE of Undisputable evidence to the contrary.

Yesterday I hurriedly tried to find Imhoff's government committee involvement to NO avail. I am not smart in digging up info on gov. sites. Do you know IF IF Imhoff may have 'accidentally' been on the Intel Com as well? I think it might be enlightening IF someone could post a list of those people who served on the House Intel Com at the same time as Mr. C.

When our entire country became involved with 9/11, following the story each and every day to see where it would lead, I and others fell away from Chandra and Mr. C, but I never have forgotten her or Joyce.

Sprocket will you PM me if you would be willing to loan me your book? In the meantime I will continue my hunt for rd's book.

Another suggestion rd, send one of your books to Dominick sp? Dunne!!!!!! In case they have missed something.


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  • #199
>>Camper wrote:
-------------rd and Sprocket, where did you find the book to purchase?? I have not checked for quite a while and was not successful.<<

I have a copy of the paperback edition, Camper, but I still like the ebook edition the best. The ebook edition is only $6 at www.iUniverse.com, and rd says that it is a little cheaper at Amazon.com. The advantage of the ebook is that it is key word searchable. You can look up different subjects right away, and the search will take you to the exact pages.

I don't have one of those Palm computers that let you carry your ebook around with you, but even with a desktop the ebook is my first choice. Of course at $6 including shipping and handling, I guess that does not leave so much profit for the author, but maybe the ebook helps to spread the title around a little more anyway.

rd wrote.
>> As usual, secret agent Condit's whereabouts were unknown.<<

Secret Agent Condit may have had some top secret information, but those who try to muddy the waters by mixing intelligence up with this case I think are on the road less traveled and really a road that will not lead so a solution here, which is what the muddy water people want. I am not trying to name call, but the intelligence solution people are trying to tip the scales of justice in the wrong direction.

There is one poster, not here, whom I usually do not agree with, but he does have a good signature.

"_________________
All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually best."

Condit was having a lot of affairs with a lot of women and what should have astonished him is not that he was caught and thrown out of office, but that he was not caught and thrown out of office sooner. Instead he became very belligerent that he was caught and thrown out. That can only mean that maybe he was not the polished Congressman that he professed to be.

Anyway try the ebook version of Murder on a Horse Trail, and you can find what you are looking for right away.

benn8
I have joined the new Chandra Levy forum also. The more forums the better until the case is solved.
 
  • #200
In a hurry right now, but I did come back to post that I found the book at Amazon and have already ordered it this morning.

I am NOT fond of reading stuff on the computer screen, I prefer licking my fingers and turning paper pages.


So I guess Benn8 that we can agree to disagree, If you have NOT read The Third Terrorist, there is some real dot connecting there to be found.


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