jsc0404
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Connie Chubg's interview with Condit was enough for me. GUILTY!
DC DC - Chandra Levy, 24, Washington DC, 1 May 2001 *found deceased in 2002*
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That was his first public appearance since Chandra had disappeared four months earlier, jsc, and the nation was shocked. They now knew why he had been in hiding. I thought Geraldo and his panel had the best analysis of that interview and I quote their scathing take on it in Murder on a Horse Trail.
By the way, I just donated a copy to the Modesto Library. It should arrive there in about a week. I will be donating to additional libraries as time goes by. Libraries can't put anything given to them up on the shelves, but I hope it meets their quality criteria for them to put it out in the New Arrivals bin!
I am donating the hardcover which is a little more expensive but appropriate for libraries.
rd
By the way, I just donated a copy to the Modesto Library. It should arrive there in about a week. I will be donating to additional libraries as time goes by. Libraries can't put anything given to them up on the shelves, but I hope it meets their quality criteria for them to put it out in the New Arrivals bin!
I am donating the hardcover which is a little more expensive but appropriate for libraries.
rd
rd,
As a true crime reader and wanna be writer, I was figuring that exact thing out and I then I see you found out it's true. (That publishers don't like cold case books). But then what about unsolved cases like Jon Benet Ramsey and Jack the Ripper? So maybe it is a larger monetary risk for them, but that doesn't mean that success never comes to cold cases.
My father wanted to write a book about my beautiful cousin who disappeared 26 years ago from her apartment in Southern California. Now, that is a cold case that no one could do successfully because they haven't found bones, or clues or anything, and there are no suspects at all.
Good luck and I will be first in line in Reno to buy your book.
Kaly
As a true crime reader and wanna be writer, I was figuring that exact thing out and I then I see you found out it's true. (That publishers don't like cold case books). But then what about unsolved cases like Jon Benet Ramsey and Jack the Ripper? So maybe it is a larger monetary risk for them, but that doesn't mean that success never comes to cold cases.
My father wanted to write a book about my beautiful cousin who disappeared 26 years ago from her apartment in Southern California. Now, that is a cold case that no one could do successfully because they haven't found bones, or clues or anything, and there are no suspects at all.
Good luck and I will be first in line in Reno to buy your book.
Kaly
About donating to libraries, I found out that I absolutely have to bring the book up to the desk and announce to them that I bought this brand new book specifically for their shelves. The last time I donated a new book, I stuck a note on it with a big rubber band, dropped in the return slot, and found out later that it went to the library's charity who sold it for a fraction of what it cost me!
Camper
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rd, am making headway on your book, life has gotten in my way for finishing it yet. It makes the hair on my head wiggle!!!!!!!!!! Grrr to LE and shenanigans to cover up stuff in DC. Poop and then scratch up the dirt to cover it up.
Kalypso and rd, I am thinking the frustration of not being able to get information like this RIGHT IN THE PUBLICS FACE is not right.
HOW about this for an idea on a NEW book. A book that relates major snippets of many, many unsolved cases in ONE book.
With reference material listed on books written about the case if there are some.
When will it all stop K and r? So sorry about your loss.
I was once beautiful and young. Someone was lying in wait in my home in my attic crawl space, for skullduggery in the afternoon. I had kept hearing tiny noises and upons checking three times, had not found the source for these odd noises, and if it had not been a phone call from my mother, where I related to her the unidentified noise I had repeatedly heard, working split shift, and came home mid afternoon to eat etc., I might not be here posting today. We lived in a double and it was the next door neighbor husband that had access to our attic access. He had moved the cover opening and was waiting for 'me'.
People like this are everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the senate!
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Kalypso and rd, I am thinking the frustration of not being able to get information like this RIGHT IN THE PUBLICS FACE is not right.
HOW about this for an idea on a NEW book. A book that relates major snippets of many, many unsolved cases in ONE book.
With reference material listed on books written about the case if there are some.
When will it all stop K and r? So sorry about your loss.
I was once beautiful and young. Someone was lying in wait in my home in my attic crawl space, for skullduggery in the afternoon. I had kept hearing tiny noises and upons checking three times, had not found the source for these odd noises, and if it had not been a phone call from my mother, where I related to her the unidentified noise I had repeatedly heard, working split shift, and came home mid afternoon to eat etc., I might not be here posting today. We lived in a double and it was the next door neighbor husband that had access to our attic access. He had moved the cover opening and was waiting for 'me'.
People like this are everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even the senate!
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Camper, that sounds like I described the shenanigans well! It just gets worse as you go along in the book. By the time you get to the last chapter you just want to cry.
So glad you made it along with the rest of us to an age where maybe you're not so young and beautiful, but you're still with us. Unfortunately, we need sites like this because so many didn't. I make some suggestions in Murder on a Horse Trail to try to stop that.
Thanks for finding the book worthy of continuing to read, Camper.
rd
So glad you made it along with the rest of us to an age where maybe you're not so young and beautiful, but you're still with us. Unfortunately, we need sites like this because so many didn't. I make some suggestions in Murder on a Horse Trail to try to stop that.
Thanks for finding the book worthy of continuing to read, Camper.
rd
Kalypso said:
It is interesting, Kaly. For example, I checked on books about Laci Peterson's murder and nothing was released from the publishers until the conviction, before that only one self-published like mine and one from American Media (National, Enquirer, Star, Globe). As they did one for Chandra as well, the same number and kind of books have been put out about Chandra as about Laci prior to the conviction.
Personally I thought Martha Moxley's case being blown open by books from Dominick Dunne and Mark Furhman showed what exposing the facts about a case could do, but it was 30 years after the murder and by very big names.
The Jon Benet books, on the other hand, resulted in some libel suits which Lin Wood (who represented Condit in his libel suits) took on for the Ramseys. I am quite sure that Condit would sue a publisher if he could, but that's why I wrote the book to make no assertions that could be considered libelous. Still, the publishers' policy seems to be a blanket policy, not just because of Condit's lawsuits.
Murder on a Horse Trail is available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and other online book sites if you're interested in taking a look, Kaly. And I hope you get a chance to fulfill your dreams.
The Modesto Library may choose not to put it on their shelves, I don't know, but it is being shipped to them from Amazon with a gift note from me, the author. There's not a lot else I can do since I won't be able to show up there.
We'll see.regards,
rd
Hi rd!rd_jfc said:It is interesting, Kaly. For example, I checked on books about Laci Peterson's murder and nothing was released from the publishers until the conviction, before that only one self-published like mine and one from American Media (National, Enquirer, Star, Globe). As they did one for Chandra as well, the same number and kind of books have been put out about Chandra as about Laci prior to the conviction.
Personally I thought Martha Moxley's case being blown open by books from Dominick Dunne and Mark Furhman showed what exposing the facts about a case could do, but it was 30 years after the murder and by very big names.
The Jon Benet books, on the other hand, resulted in some libel suits which Lin Wood (who represented Condit in his libel suits) took on for the Ramseys. I am quite sure that Condit would sue a publisher if he could, but that's why I wrote the book to make no assertions that could be considered libelous. Still, the publishers' policy seems to be a blanket policy, not just because of Condit's lawsuits.
Murder on a Horse Trail is available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and other online book sites if you're interested in taking a look, Kaly. And I hope you get a chance to fulfill your dreams.
The Modesto Library may choose not to put it on their shelves, I don't know, but it is being shipped to them from Amazon with a gift note from me, the author. There's not a lot else I can do since I won't be able to show up there.
regards,
rd
About the books that were put out before conviction on Peterson and Chandra, I vaguely think I saw one of those somewhere. Are you saying they are self published ones? Or sort of in a class comparable to "B" movies in quality?
I haven't gotten around to reading about Martha Moxley yet, but thanks for the info; I didn't know that! Oh and yes you have to be careful nowdays writing about suspects or even the convicted criminals. Did you know that the Ann Rule vs. Liysa Northon book case is going on ahead to trial? (Heart Full of Lies). It may not be public knowledge yet that the plaintiff prevailed in the hearing. And I'm sure you remember the Fatal Vision lawsuit. Poor Joe McGinniss, he was raked over the coals by Jeffrey MacDonald's lawyers in court so bad that he settled for around $300,000 just to make it all stop. You either need to be rich, or judgement-free, to write about a criminal!
My passionate wish right now would be to make the recent rash of financial Ponzi schemes in California into a true-crime-like book. But my health is holding me back from the travel and intensive interviews I'd have to do. Oh well.
I will definitely get ahold of your book asap!
Kaly
Or welcome a lawsuit to take Condit to discovery! No, I carefully laid out the analysis and questions and leave the reader to ask, why are these questions not being answered? And of course they end up just being more unanswered questions
Yes, there were two books on Laci prior to the conviction, neither one in bookstores. One was by someone who published it himself, and one by American Media such as they did with a book on Chandra, only the author was not one of their reporters. I will also add that the customer reviews were not favorable, but I didn't read them myself.
I didn't know about the lawsuit against Ann Rule, it is just a farce that we allow these creeps to sue, even after they have been thrown in the slammer. I say they have no rights in jail, they can sue after they get out. And of course murderers shouldn't be getting out.
If you do get a chance to read Murder on a Horse Trail, Kaly, I look forward to your comments here and a chance to discuss it.
rd
Yes, there were two books on Laci prior to the conviction, neither one in bookstores. One was by someone who published it himself, and one by American Media such as they did with a book on Chandra, only the author was not one of their reporters. I will also add that the customer reviews were not favorable, but I didn't read them myself.
I didn't know about the lawsuit against Ann Rule, it is just a farce that we allow these creeps to sue, even after they have been thrown in the slammer. I say they have no rights in jail, they can sue after they get out. And of course murderers shouldn't be getting out.
If you do get a chance to read Murder on a Horse Trail, Kaly, I look forward to your comments here and a chance to discuss it.
rd
Camper
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rd, I am now in chapter about computer surfing May 1. I have the soft cover copy.
Page 70, about the fifth paragraph. About logon for BOP through Lexis-Nexis. You refer to fact that most likely 'the computer user' that morning, Chandra/OR ?, would have used the logon that she used while employed at BOP.
Since she was scooted out of BOP so rather unceremoniously and quickly, would the scooters NOT have programmed her access OUT, so that she would NOT have been able to surf there May 1?
I am beginning to smell something, I am not sure just what. Somehow, Sven is coming to my mind. Was his exact location 'that' morning truly and exquisitely accounted for? IF so, WHO did the checking? The fact that he had airline tickets does not mean much to me, if that was part of the checking. Small joke here, did Sven have a twin brother, hee hee, er, duh, huh. Hmmm.
Problem with me is that I have too many things going on in my life. When I was young and single I could plow through a book in no time flat, but give me time I will finish your wonderful book.
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Page 70, about the fifth paragraph. About logon for BOP through Lexis-Nexis. You refer to fact that most likely 'the computer user' that morning, Chandra/OR ?, would have used the logon that she used while employed at BOP.
Since she was scooted out of BOP so rather unceremoniously and quickly, would the scooters NOT have programmed her access OUT, so that she would NOT have been able to surf there May 1?
I am beginning to smell something, I am not sure just what. Somehow, Sven is coming to my mind. Was his exact location 'that' morning truly and exquisitely accounted for? IF so, WHO did the checking? The fact that he had airline tickets does not mean much to me, if that was part of the checking. Small joke here, did Sven have a twin brother, hee hee, er, duh, huh. Hmmm.
Problem with me is that I have too many things going on in my life. When I was young and single I could plow through a book in no time flat, but give me time I will finish your wonderful book.
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That's a real good question, Camper, one of many that need an answer before Chandra's case should be allowed to be considered cold.
Lexis-Nexis has a legislative activities section which Chandra was most likely using to check on Condit's schedule. We know that she was at that site, and we know the police said she was checking on him on the internet.
It requires an account and a password to use, and that is exactly the type of work Chandra did for the Bureau of Prisons PR office. It is unlikely that an intern had her own account or did not know a general password for accessing Lexis-Nexis used by the PR office.
For that matter, the fact that a password is required was not mentioned in the press, but it is easily determined by visiting the site. What password was used to access the site that morning? I checked with Lexis-Nexis and they were unaware that Chandra had used their site the day she disappeared, and like the DC police, didn't seem to want to know anymore about it.
I don't think Sven should get a pass in a real investigation, nor should Condit or his brother, nor Guandique or the manager of the gym. But three people took lie detector tests the police gave, lie detector tests that Elizabeth Smart's dad described as going through hell when he took one, and none of the three who took and passed it in Chandra's case were named Condit.
Investigators may have some answers to these questions, or they may not. The question is, who investigates the investigators? With their secrecy they can imply that all that can be answered has been answered, or they could be covering up a Washington intern's murder so as to not make waves for the powerful in Congress.
No one knows, and no one can know. Don't make waves. That's how bureaucrats survive. That's how they rise to the top. And you can be sure, no waves will be made for a lowly murdered mistress of a Congressman.
rd
Lexis-Nexis has a legislative activities section which Chandra was most likely using to check on Condit's schedule. We know that she was at that site, and we know the police said she was checking on him on the internet.
It requires an account and a password to use, and that is exactly the type of work Chandra did for the Bureau of Prisons PR office. It is unlikely that an intern had her own account or did not know a general password for accessing Lexis-Nexis used by the PR office.
For that matter, the fact that a password is required was not mentioned in the press, but it is easily determined by visiting the site. What password was used to access the site that morning? I checked with Lexis-Nexis and they were unaware that Chandra had used their site the day she disappeared, and like the DC police, didn't seem to want to know anymore about it.
I don't think Sven should get a pass in a real investigation, nor should Condit or his brother, nor Guandique or the manager of the gym. But three people took lie detector tests the police gave, lie detector tests that Elizabeth Smart's dad described as going through hell when he took one, and none of the three who took and passed it in Chandra's case were named Condit.
Investigators may have some answers to these questions, or they may not. The question is, who investigates the investigators? With their secrecy they can imply that all that can be answered has been answered, or they could be covering up a Washington intern's murder so as to not make waves for the powerful in Congress.
No one knows, and no one can know. Don't make waves. That's how bureaucrats survive. That's how they rise to the top. And you can be sure, no waves will be made for a lowly murdered mistress of a Congressman.
rd
Camper
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rd_jfc said:
----->>>rd, do you tell in the book who the three people were that were given lie detectors tests? If you do I will wait til I get there and read it.
Also did you ever wonder IF IF 9/11 had a tie in to this murder? Seemed really convenient that it came like Mighty Mouse to Condits rescue.
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benn8
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Hello Camper, here is my latest analysis on the Chandra Levy case, not that anyone wants it. Congressman Gary Condit should not have been astonished that he was found out and voted out of office, what Congressman Gary Condit should have been astonished at was that he was not found out sooner and voted out of office.
You have 8 children, Camper? One of my grandmothers only had seven. I used to know a family that had 14 children. They had a lot of ducks and chickens and other things out in their back yard, but as far as I know they never killed and ate any of them. I guess they just liked to grow things.
benn8
"By perseverance the snail reached the ark," Charles Spurgeon
You have 8 children, Camper? One of my grandmothers only had seven. I used to know a family that had 14 children. They had a lot of ducks and chickens and other things out in their back yard, but as far as I know they never killed and ate any of them. I guess they just liked to grow things.
benn8
"By perseverance the snail reached the ark," Charles Spurgeon
Camper, I'm checking on the source that I remember that three people were given lie detector tests and passed. It was reported that Sven and Guandique were two of them, and that Condit refused to take his.
I have assumed that the gym manager, the last person to see her, was the third person given and passed the test. I don't know of a third person ever mentioned by police who would be a likely candidate for a lie detector test except for the Condits.
I don't think 9/11 is tied in to detract from an investigation of Chandra's disappearance but Condit was then free to move about unmonitored after reporters quit following him around in the aftermath.
I will find that source for three tests but the source did not name the three people explicitly. It is from other sources that Sven and Guandique were named as passing and that Condit refused to take his.
rd
I have assumed that the gym manager, the last person to see her, was the third person given and passed the test. I don't know of a third person ever mentioned by police who would be a likely candidate for a lie detector test except for the Condits.
I don't think 9/11 is tied in to detract from an investigation of Chandra's disappearance but Condit was then free to move about unmonitored after reporters quit following him around in the aftermath.
I will find that source for three tests but the source did not name the three people explicitly. It is from other sources that Sven and Guandique were named as passing and that Condit refused to take his.
rd
Here's the source of three lie detector tests sought by police in addition to Condit. I will also check further into what exactly was said about a lie detector test given to OC Thomas, or why nothing was said about it.
One would think the FBI over six weeks would have done that, wouldn't they? In which case, the "retraction" would have been of verified information. Did the FBI give him a lie detector test while seeking to talk to his daughter Jennifer, and if not, how can we believe they didn't?
rd
Screams heard before Chandra disappeared
UPI
July 15, 2001
(excerpt)
Condit's attorney Abbe Lowell on Friday told reporters that the congressman had undergone a privately administered polygraph test that showed his innocence in Levy's disappearance.
But Ramsey and Levy family attorney Billy Martin questioned the legitimacy of the exam and renewed calls for Condit to take a lie detector test given by police.
Ramsey said investigators would continue to press Condit to take a police polygraph but remained pessimistic.
"I think that's a waste of time, quite frankly," Ramsey said. "We'll just have to move on."...
Police sources have said they also have asked three other men to take lie detector tests but did not disclose who they were and how were the connected to Levy's disappearance.
end quote
One would think the FBI over six weeks would have done that, wouldn't they? In which case, the "retraction" would have been of verified information. Did the FBI give him a lie detector test while seeking to talk to his daughter Jennifer, and if not, how can we believe they didn't?
rd
Screams heard before Chandra disappeared
UPI
July 15, 2001
(excerpt)
Condit's attorney Abbe Lowell on Friday told reporters that the congressman had undergone a privately administered polygraph test that showed his innocence in Levy's disappearance.
But Ramsey and Levy family attorney Billy Martin questioned the legitimacy of the exam and renewed calls for Condit to take a lie detector test given by police.
Ramsey said investigators would continue to press Condit to take a police polygraph but remained pessimistic.
"I think that's a waste of time, quite frankly," Ramsey said. "We'll just have to move on."...
Police sources have said they also have asked three other men to take lie detector tests but did not disclose who they were and how were the connected to Levy's disappearance.
end quote
benn8
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I sent an email to the NAACP in Modesto a long time ago saying that Otis Thomas needed an attorney. I did not receive any reply from the NAACP. Of course when I sent that email Thomas had already been declared a liar a long time before. If Thomas would have had an attorney with him when being questioned by the FBI he would have had a witness to afirm or deny anything that the FBI said about him.
The FBI said that they were not going to charge Thomas with anything. If they had of charged him for lying or whatever other charges would have been appropriate then the FBI would have had to produce some evidence, of the questions asked of Thomas, etc. We have to consider that some of these FBI investigations may be conducted by a very few agents, and it would seem to me that at all times the reputation of the FBI agents investigating would be of more importance to the agents than any of the information that they discovered.
In reading a little about the Unibomber investigation, when the Unibomber was about to be captured, a woman FBI agent that was helping on the case had for a live in lover another FBI agent (male). The two agents were also working together on the case. The female agent said that they later separated. That type of relationship between two FBI agents makes one wonder about what type of information that they developed.
We know very little about the FBI questioning of Otis Thomas, but anything that the FBI developed about him might be very open to suspicion. Thomas had no attorney, and no one backing him up, as Condit did.
benn8
The FBI said that they were not going to charge Thomas with anything. If they had of charged him for lying or whatever other charges would have been appropriate then the FBI would have had to produce some evidence, of the questions asked of Thomas, etc. We have to consider that some of these FBI investigations may be conducted by a very few agents, and it would seem to me that at all times the reputation of the FBI agents investigating would be of more importance to the agents than any of the information that they discovered.
In reading a little about the Unibomber investigation, when the Unibomber was about to be captured, a woman FBI agent that was helping on the case had for a live in lover another FBI agent (male). The two agents were also working together on the case. The female agent said that they later separated. That type of relationship between two FBI agents makes one wonder about what type of information that they developed.
We know very little about the FBI questioning of Otis Thomas, but anything that the FBI developed about him might be very open to suspicion. Thomas had no attorney, and no one backing him up, as Condit did.
benn8
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Hey ya'll....may I join in ?
I'm almost finished with Murder on a Horse Trail. It gives a lot of info I never knew...for sure...or the sources.
Great job, rd !!!!!!!!!
Since I'm not finished reading MHT yet, it may answer some of my questions.
Since GC was on the House Intelligence Committee before Chandra went missing, it's possible...with his security clearance..it could be one reason that the DC police didn't stir up the dust too much in the investigation. However, it's way more than interesting that Gephardt appointed GC to the House Homeland Security Committee after 9/11. That worried me since GC was still the subject of investigation into the disappearance of his "very close friend". It bothers me now knowing he has all this info on national security in that the murder of Chandra hasn't been solved. Could this be a reason why he hasn't been persued?
Camper, I don't have a link for Condit's appointment to Homeland Security Committee in late 01' or very early 02' before he lost his re-election...but I KNOW it's true. I'll try to find something on it for the sake of stating evidence instead of rumor. Perhaps someone here already has it?
Edit; found a link
"What has happened to the serial philanderer, who was in so much hot water after his television interview with Connie Chung, that Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., led us to believe he was considering removing him from the National Security Committee? Condit wasn't removed or even reprimanded for his egregious conduct. Instead, he's been rewarded with an important post on the newly created, high-profile House Intelligence Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24740
I'm almost finished with Murder on a Horse Trail. It gives a lot of info I never knew...for sure...or the sources.
Great job, rd !!!!!!!!!
Since I'm not finished reading MHT yet, it may answer some of my questions.
Since GC was on the House Intelligence Committee before Chandra went missing, it's possible...with his security clearance..it could be one reason that the DC police didn't stir up the dust too much in the investigation. However, it's way more than interesting that Gephardt appointed GC to the House Homeland Security Committee after 9/11. That worried me since GC was still the subject of investigation into the disappearance of his "very close friend". It bothers me now knowing he has all this info on national security in that the murder of Chandra hasn't been solved. Could this be a reason why he hasn't been persued?
Camper, I don't have a link for Condit's appointment to Homeland Security Committee in late 01' or very early 02' before he lost his re-election...but I KNOW it's true. I'll try to find something on it for the sake of stating evidence instead of rumor. Perhaps someone here already has it?
Edit; found a link
"What has happened to the serial philanderer, who was in so much hot water after his television interview with Connie Chung, that Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., led us to believe he was considering removing him from the National Security Committee? Condit wasn't removed or even reprimanded for his egregious conduct. Instead, he's been rewarded with an important post on the newly created, high-profile House Intelligence Subcommittee on Terrorism and Homeland Security"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24740
Thank you, Daisey. I think people would be surprised if they really knew how the circumstances surrounding Chandra's disappearance tie together. They seem only disjointed, bizarre headlines, but there really was a method to the madness.
What that madness was, and why it cost Chandra her life, is the question.
In chapter Grand Jury, I do address Condit on the Terrorism Committee somewhat. They were so ashamed of him being on the committee that they cropped his picture out of the committee group picture taken at Ground Zero.
I also write of a specific congressional ethics violation Condit committed by paying for a flight for Chandra with his campaign finance fund. He told her he had frequent flyer miles, but instead charged the flight to his campaign fund and reported it was he himself flying back to Washington on a Thursday in mid December, 2000.
I examine that in Murder on a Horse Trail from information provided by Michael Doyle of the Modesto Bee and Condit's campaign finance records to show that it was actually Chandra on that flight.
Why wasn't Condit's ethics violations investigated, and why did he instead get assigned to the Terrorism Committee?
There was at that time an ethics investigation truce between the Democrats and Republicans that prohibited such ethics charges from even being brought, much less investigated. The politics of it at that time are irrelevant in a close look at Chandra's disappearance.
However, an ethics investigation by Congress in 2001 when Doyle's article in the Modesto Bee brought the potential for an ethics violation to light may have emboldened the DC police and FBI to actually investigate Chandra's disappearance rather than acting like she had run away to try to embarrass a distinguished congressman who had rebuffed her obsessive, delusional advances. I show that Condit himself led police into believing this with false information he privately supplied them and Congress when Chandra disappeared.
So instead of being investigated as an intimate of a disappeared Washington intern, he was protected by Washington from investigation until too late.
Now it is just another cold case, but the answer to any one of the questions posed in Murder on a Horse Trail could point the investigation into another direction.
To try to achieve that, for the May 1 date of Chandra's disappearance I have posted this true crime murder mystery on my site for all interested to read and disect. I have also added color maps and pictures that the printing process didn't provide for that helps the sleuth follow along in the true crime investigation. The link to Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy is:
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=26f90e19612551581a0ecd7bcf246b27
I hope we can further discuss in this thread and see if this is really a cold case, or just a case with questions that haven't been answered.
rd
What that madness was, and why it cost Chandra her life, is the question.
In chapter Grand Jury, I do address Condit on the Terrorism Committee somewhat. They were so ashamed of him being on the committee that they cropped his picture out of the committee group picture taken at Ground Zero.
I also write of a specific congressional ethics violation Condit committed by paying for a flight for Chandra with his campaign finance fund. He told her he had frequent flyer miles, but instead charged the flight to his campaign fund and reported it was he himself flying back to Washington on a Thursday in mid December, 2000.
I examine that in Murder on a Horse Trail from information provided by Michael Doyle of the Modesto Bee and Condit's campaign finance records to show that it was actually Chandra on that flight.
Why wasn't Condit's ethics violations investigated, and why did he instead get assigned to the Terrorism Committee?
There was at that time an ethics investigation truce between the Democrats and Republicans that prohibited such ethics charges from even being brought, much less investigated. The politics of it at that time are irrelevant in a close look at Chandra's disappearance.
However, an ethics investigation by Congress in 2001 when Doyle's article in the Modesto Bee brought the potential for an ethics violation to light may have emboldened the DC police and FBI to actually investigate Chandra's disappearance rather than acting like she had run away to try to embarrass a distinguished congressman who had rebuffed her obsessive, delusional advances. I show that Condit himself led police into believing this with false information he privately supplied them and Congress when Chandra disappeared.
So instead of being investigated as an intimate of a disappeared Washington intern, he was protected by Washington from investigation until too late.
Now it is just another cold case, but the answer to any one of the questions posed in Murder on a Horse Trail could point the investigation into another direction.
To try to achieve that, for the May 1 date of Chandra's disappearance I have posted this true crime murder mystery on my site for all interested to read and disect. I have also added color maps and pictures that the printing process didn't provide for that helps the sleuth follow along in the true crime investigation. The link to Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy is:
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=26f90e19612551581a0ecd7bcf246b27
I hope we can further discuss in this thread and see if this is really a cold case, or just a case with questions that haven't been answered.
rd
Camper
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What a powerhouse of a post you have done as I read here this morning, thank you.
I am over half finished with your book, I am a slow reader because of my life style, do not fear I will finish your book.
I have not peeked through the rest of the pages.
What I do think might be extremely helpful, IF you have not done so, is an intricate timeline, listing all of the items that tie together. There are so many things that happened, that would make more sense to the reader in following and enabling them to see a NEW and intensive picture of Chandra.
Monday June 1, this happened
Thursday June 4, this happened.
One thing for certain that JUMPS out at me is that Condit was very organized in his thinking to juggle all those women at the same time. It JUMPS out at me that he must have had a cohort to HELP him. Since Dayton dated the one girl that Condit ended up with in his juggling act, guess who I think is involved in this cover, duh, huh, er. Hmmm.
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I recall when I posted avidly on the Justice for Chandra site, my interest in the Luray Caverns went into overdrive, thinking. I am just a bit past that portion of your book now. The thought that occured to me about that, was wondering IF IF her body was sequestered OR OR perhaps even still alive at that point.
I do recall that some speculation was done on that forum at that time about a 'cabin' in that general area where government staff ?? spent happy weekends. I recall that the place was searched for clues of Chandra having perhaps been there.
So my wonderment was renewed when reading, about her being killed later than we might suspect and then dumped later in the park. Since that general area was 'apparently' searched by dogs, LE, people, etc. What better place to dump her body than a place that has already been searched!
Daytons efforts in appearing to be an 'innocent' bystander in the entire matter stand out too. He so obviously lying about Condits relationship with Chandra. Dayton - introduced them. Then played dumbell, saying Chandra knew Condit was married, duh, huh?
The person early on who 'found' the body and who now appears to have disappeared into the maze of nothingness, should be brought forth. Wonder how many turtles he has found lately, is turtle hunting an avid activity for folks in DC?
Certainly if so, more efforts of DC folks for trying to find turtles surpasses the abilities of LE/FBI to find Chandra at that time amounted to.
Good grief, I had no idea your site was so intensive, I shall be spending a great deal of time there!!!!!!!!
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I am over half finished with your book, I am a slow reader because of my life style, do not fear I will finish your book.
I have not peeked through the rest of the pages.
What I do think might be extremely helpful, IF you have not done so, is an intricate timeline, listing all of the items that tie together. There are so many things that happened, that would make more sense to the reader in following and enabling them to see a NEW and intensive picture of Chandra.
Monday June 1, this happened
Thursday June 4, this happened.
One thing for certain that JUMPS out at me is that Condit was very organized in his thinking to juggle all those women at the same time. It JUMPS out at me that he must have had a cohort to HELP him. Since Dayton dated the one girl that Condit ended up with in his juggling act, guess who I think is involved in this cover, duh, huh, er. Hmmm.
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I recall when I posted avidly on the Justice for Chandra site, my interest in the Luray Caverns went into overdrive, thinking. I am just a bit past that portion of your book now. The thought that occured to me about that, was wondering IF IF her body was sequestered OR OR perhaps even still alive at that point.
I do recall that some speculation was done on that forum at that time about a 'cabin' in that general area where government staff ?? spent happy weekends. I recall that the place was searched for clues of Chandra having perhaps been there.
So my wonderment was renewed when reading, about her being killed later than we might suspect and then dumped later in the park. Since that general area was 'apparently' searched by dogs, LE, people, etc. What better place to dump her body than a place that has already been searched!
Daytons efforts in appearing to be an 'innocent' bystander in the entire matter stand out too. He so obviously lying about Condits relationship with Chandra. Dayton - introduced them. Then played dumbell, saying Chandra knew Condit was married, duh, huh?
The person early on who 'found' the body and who now appears to have disappeared into the maze of nothingness, should be brought forth. Wonder how many turtles he has found lately, is turtle hunting an avid activity for folks in DC?
Certainly if so, more efforts of DC folks for trying to find turtles surpasses the abilities of LE/FBI to find Chandra at that time amounted to.
Good grief, I had no idea your site was so intensive, I shall be spending a great deal of time there!!!!!!!!
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Thank you very much, Camper. You raise a lot of good points for all of us to respond to. I want to address the time line in this post.
A timeline was going to be an essential part of the book. The only question was whether it went first or in the back as an appendix. A lot of timelines of Chandra's case have been done, and I started my own by extracting statements from articles to put information in chronological order.
I didn't get far, I had too much going on and it's a very time consuming effort to gather and sort through all the information on Chandra's case. When I got laid off, I started job hunting but I all of a sudden had some time to get a book written. I was going to leave the timeline for later.
It turned out, however, that the book ended up being one giant annotated timeline. Every scrap of information and insight is presented as it happened to tell the story as it happened.
Can it be condensed to summarize the events? Sure, but does that add insight to the events? No, it doesn't. Context is everything. And some of the most important points are what didn't happen, and what hasn't been answered, presented within that context.
I ended up not having a timeline appendix. Murder on a Horse Trail is the ultimate timeline of Chandra's disappearance and murder.
Did I say ultimate? I think we can add to it yet if answers can be obtained for any of the numerous questions throughout the book which is now available for all to read at:
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=26f90e19612551581a0ecd7bcf246b27
No, it is a timeline in progress.
rd
A timeline was going to be an essential part of the book. The only question was whether it went first or in the back as an appendix. A lot of timelines of Chandra's case have been done, and I started my own by extracting statements from articles to put information in chronological order.
I didn't get far, I had too much going on and it's a very time consuming effort to gather and sort through all the information on Chandra's case. When I got laid off, I started job hunting but I all of a sudden had some time to get a book written. I was going to leave the timeline for later.
It turned out, however, that the book ended up being one giant annotated timeline. Every scrap of information and insight is presented as it happened to tell the story as it happened.
Can it be condensed to summarize the events? Sure, but does that add insight to the events? No, it doesn't. Context is everything. And some of the most important points are what didn't happen, and what hasn't been answered, presented within that context.
I ended up not having a timeline appendix. Murder on a Horse Trail is the ultimate timeline of Chandra's disappearance and murder.
Did I say ultimate? I think we can add to it yet if answers can be obtained for any of the numerous questions throughout the book which is now available for all to read at:
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=26f90e19612551581a0ecd7bcf246b27
No, it is a timeline in progress.
rd
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