Rita Cosby is out at Fox News. She had a lot of the breaking news in Chandra's case, often the only one (Luray, FBI visit to Condit's driver, etc.), so another voice stilled.
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DC DC - Chandra Levy, 24, Washington DC, 1 May 2001 *found deceased in 2002*
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Heard about Rita leaving, wonder where she will end up?
I also wonder who her inside sources were that she could scoop the other nets?
I am working my way through your book rd, just passing through the OC Thomas deal. Something smells really really bad with that. Do you know IF IF Jennifer really did have a twin sister?
I would so love to SEE a picture of the baby who would now be how old, about 14, I am not near my book while posting and cannot remember how old baby would be now.
About Jennifer breaking up with Condit because of strange sexual requests/demands. The life threatening call that her father received.
Plus I do believe every word he told Mrs. Levy and in all of his interviews.
The timing of Chandras disappearance certainly meshed with 9/11, didn't it?
I am wondering what Jennifer knows that might make a connection with people in our country without visas, and 9/11.
To me the biggest link to Chandras disappearance and murder is in this particular part of your book, and the real life activity that happened just before she went missing!
For 'his' alibi to work, (which it didn't anyway) I do believe Chandra was kept captive somewhere UNTIL 'his' wife went home to CA.
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I also wonder who her inside sources were that she could scoop the other nets?
I am working my way through your book rd, just passing through the OC Thomas deal. Something smells really really bad with that. Do you know IF IF Jennifer really did have a twin sister?
I would so love to SEE a picture of the baby who would now be how old, about 14, I am not near my book while posting and cannot remember how old baby would be now.
About Jennifer breaking up with Condit because of strange sexual requests/demands. The life threatening call that her father received.
Plus I do believe every word he told Mrs. Levy and in all of his interviews.
The timing of Chandras disappearance certainly meshed with 9/11, didn't it?
I am wondering what Jennifer knows that might make a connection with people in our country without visas, and 9/11.
To me the biggest link to Chandras disappearance and murder is in this particular part of your book, and the real life activity that happened just before she went missing!
For 'his' alibi to work, (which it didn't anyway) I do believe Chandra was kept captive somewhere UNTIL 'his' wife went home to CA.
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I think you've hit it on the head when you say the key to Chandra's disappearance is in the chapter on OC Thomas and daughter Jennifer. The questions are many, and the answers less than adequate. I could try to point out a few, but I refer readers to the chapter, Exposed:
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2542
Did she have a twin sister? I don't think so. I think that reporter was being lied to. Who all was being lied to, when, and why? OC Thomas owes Chandra a better answer than he has given.
That is, unless he can't give it for some reason.
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http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2542
Did she have a twin sister? I don't think so. I think that reporter was being lied to. Who all was being lied to, when, and why? OC Thomas owes Chandra a better answer than he has given.
That is, unless he can't give it for some reason.
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Coincidence that Chandra went missing May 1, 2001, and Twin Towers attack began September 11, 2001. OC may not have given the total content of his threatening calls at that moment in his life. I do believe great fear became a constant factor in the life of the Thomas family. Chandra had ALREADY disappeared. Who would be next IF IF they talked.
ON the other hand the stewardesses thought they would be safe IF IF they talked and they did live through their part of the involvement with Mr. C.
QUOTE from my previous post:"For 'his' alibi to work, (which it didn't anyway for May 1st) I do believe Chandra was kept captive somewhere UNTIL 'his' wife went home to CA."
I had used the word 'captive' - Chandra was already a 'romantic captive' from her liason with Mr. C. It would have been easy for Mr. C. OR OR any MR. ?, at this point in Chandras life, to have said, "I will help you find a job in DC so WE can be together, my wife is in town now, BUT is leaving next day (forgot at this hour of the morning I am not too awake, (date ?) don't make travel arrangements yet, I want to be 'with' you (in the biblical sense) BEFORE you leave. I will come get you and take you to (blah-blah) til I can break free, ok? So that is the captive I had in mind, BUT IT had to be a pretty remote place with NO PHONE. She left with only her keys, NO PHONE.
rd, the fact that Condit DID have a car, that no one knew about til much later in the investigation, lets me wonder what other hideaway he may have had that still has not been discovered. IF IF I were a guessing person, I would guess it would be another philandering congressmans place.
Wonder who Mr. C's bosom friends were in Congress?
:boohoo:
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ON the other hand the stewardesses thought they would be safe IF IF they talked and they did live through their part of the involvement with Mr. C.
QUOTE from my previous post:"For 'his' alibi to work, (which it didn't anyway for May 1st) I do believe Chandra was kept captive somewhere UNTIL 'his' wife went home to CA."
I had used the word 'captive' - Chandra was already a 'romantic captive' from her liason with Mr. C. It would have been easy for Mr. C. OR OR any MR. ?, at this point in Chandras life, to have said, "I will help you find a job in DC so WE can be together, my wife is in town now, BUT is leaving next day (forgot at this hour of the morning I am not too awake, (date ?) don't make travel arrangements yet, I want to be 'with' you (in the biblical sense) BEFORE you leave. I will come get you and take you to (blah-blah) til I can break free, ok? So that is the captive I had in mind, BUT IT had to be a pretty remote place with NO PHONE. She left with only her keys, NO PHONE.
rd, the fact that Condit DID have a car, that no one knew about til much later in the investigation, lets me wonder what other hideaway he may have had that still has not been discovered. IF IF I were a guessing person, I would guess it would be another philandering congressmans place.
Wonder who Mr. C's bosom friends were in Congress?
:boohoo:
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As busy as the 'caught' bad guy 'Guandeque' was in the park = source rd's book, Murder On A Horse Trail, I wonder IF IF LE ever asked him IF IF IF while he was in the park so often IF IF IF HE ever saw anything unusual? Like a car backed up to the area by picnic area 18!!
We know from all the great information on 'Guandeque' that he was there in the park more that LE, hmmm. I also wonder IF IF IF an interpretor was used to communicate with 'Guandeque'?
'Guandeque' came out smelling 'not guilty', but he may hold a missing link to Chandra's case.
Sometimes I think IF IF LE told everything/information that they uncover in specific crimes, that the public could be of better help in solving some unsolvable crimes. Details withheld typically the police say ONLY the criminal would know those details, so is it just to keep copykat loonies from confessing to something they did not do, OR?
With all of the forensic techniques available today, seems like withholding specifics of a case from the public, keeps tips down, perhaps it could even keep someone from stepping forward with information, IF IF they but just had a bit more information from LE, what does anyone think about that?
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We know from all the great information on 'Guandeque' that he was there in the park more that LE, hmmm. I also wonder IF IF IF an interpretor was used to communicate with 'Guandeque'?
'Guandeque' came out smelling 'not guilty', but he may hold a missing link to Chandra's case.
Sometimes I think IF IF LE told everything/information that they uncover in specific crimes, that the public could be of better help in solving some unsolvable crimes. Details withheld typically the police say ONLY the criminal would know those details, so is it just to keep copykat loonies from confessing to something they did not do, OR?
With all of the forensic techniques available today, seems like withholding specifics of a case from the public, keeps tips down, perhaps it could even keep someone from stepping forward with information, IF IF they but just had a bit more information from LE, what does anyone think about that?
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Court TV is airing a show on Wednesday night about the Chandra Levy case. They are going to review the evidence and new theories. That would be July 20, 2005 for anyone interested. I think it comes on at 9:30 eastern time but check your local listings to be sure.
Thanks for the heads up, Goody. I'll be watching. The courttv ads say a stunning new theory. I have no idea what but they've got my attention. 
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Maybe Chandra didn't take her keys with her,maybe someone else took them to open something.Did they ever recover them? Also maybe the real killer paid that other guy to attack those other two women,knowing that assault doesn't garner much jail time,and when he gets out he'll have a lot of money.This would point the suspicion at him,but never be proven.How is it that these women got away from him.Sounds like a set-up.
Some good questions. Chandra's keys and ring have not been recovered. It doesn't appear that the expensive bracelet Condit gave her for Christmas was recovered either.
This is what I write about that in Murder on a Horse Trail in chapter Found: http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2539
The missing keys, ring, and bracelet appear to look like a robbery. To not take the jewelry leaves too much consideration for a murder of passion and leaves out the far more prevalent scenarios of an attack for rape and robbery or just robbery. But to make it look like a robbery there is a dilemma. The jewelry must be pawned. They weren't.
That is a fatal flaw, not as definitively fatal as that which killed Chandra, but potentially just as fatal. Unless the jewelry enters the pawn and trade market of a robber, it is not a robber who killed her. In fact, it is someone who dares not reveal the jewelry to complete the crime scene, someone who knows her and someone who risks too much to try to pawn it.
While taking the jewelry to make it look like a robbery, a person would not want to do what a normal robber would do right away, that is pawn the jewelry. There is too much risk. They did not kill her for the money that a gold ring, bracelet, and possibly watch would bring, yet they must take it. If they pawn it, it leaves vital clues about her killer. To keep it is a death sentence, once found in their possession.
There is only one recourse for such a murderer who is setting her up as being attacked on a horse trail. They must hide the jewelry, bury it someplace that won't be linked to them, far away.
And the keys? She had no id to give her address. Only someone who knew her could use them.
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This is what I write about that in Murder on a Horse Trail in chapter Found: http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2539
The missing keys, ring, and bracelet appear to look like a robbery. To not take the jewelry leaves too much consideration for a murder of passion and leaves out the far more prevalent scenarios of an attack for rape and robbery or just robbery. But to make it look like a robbery there is a dilemma. The jewelry must be pawned. They weren't.
That is a fatal flaw, not as definitively fatal as that which killed Chandra, but potentially just as fatal. Unless the jewelry enters the pawn and trade market of a robber, it is not a robber who killed her. In fact, it is someone who dares not reveal the jewelry to complete the crime scene, someone who knows her and someone who risks too much to try to pawn it.
While taking the jewelry to make it look like a robbery, a person would not want to do what a normal robber would do right away, that is pawn the jewelry. There is too much risk. They did not kill her for the money that a gold ring, bracelet, and possibly watch would bring, yet they must take it. If they pawn it, it leaves vital clues about her killer. To keep it is a death sentence, once found in their possession.
There is only one recourse for such a murderer who is setting her up as being attacked on a horse trail. They must hide the jewelry, bury it someplace that won't be linked to them, far away.
And the keys? She had no id to give her address. Only someone who knew her could use them.
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You said it better than I did.I'd definately be looking into whether or not she ever actually left of her own volition and what the keys were on that key ring if anyone knows.I know my spare keys have the exact same keys as the ones I use daily.Maybe she had a safe deposit box?I'm always so suspicious!!!hee hee!
As for the park attacker, here are some facts about him:
Guandique brutally attempted to attack two women after Chandra disappeared, one just a week later, the other six weeks later. The first attack was before Chandra's disappearance made the news.
He got a severe, well deserved 10 year sentence for those attempted assaults and as an illegal will be deported when he has completed serving his sentence. Granted, even a moderate sum of money would set him up relatively comfortably in his native El Salvador when he gets deported, but he didn't get any help to keep from getting sentenced severely to 10 years in federal prison.
Contrast that with Condit's brother Darrell who was secretly provided a former Watergate lawyer and $50,000 to bail him out of jail while Rock Creek Park was being searched for Chandra. Darrell had been a fugitive on the run for the previous six years avoiding prison sentences in both Florida and California in Condit's district. Yet he was released yet again on bail and promptly jumped bond again, eluding capture until just before Chandra was found in Rock Creek Park by a secret "turtle hunter", never identified.
Guandique passed a lie detector test administered by the US Attorney's office. The fellow prisoner who claimed Guandique gave him a "cellmate confession" of stabbing Chandra in Rock Creek Park failed his lie detector test. This was after the highly publicized police searches of Rovk Creek Park and contained no unknown information, and of course when Chandra was found there was no cuts or blood found on her clothes.
Interestingly, Guandique, his cellmate accuser, Sven Jones, and two other men questioned by police, probably the gym manager and possibly the apartment manager, passed lie detector tests given by the police. The only person who refused to take a police lie detector test was Condit.
The only person who failed the lie detector test was Guandique's cellmate accuser. Prisoners provide bogus alleged "confessions" of their cellmates in hopes of being released early for their "cooperation".
Anybody who got the opportunity to visit the two mile park area between Klingle Mansion and the ridge hillside where Chandra was found would be amazed at how simplisticly everything is lumped together in reports. I write in Murder on a Horse Trail of the hike from Klingle Mansion to the ridge on a steep hill nearly two miles away.
Along the way a large well paved jogging trail runs along a major thoroughfare. When it reaches the foot of the large hill where Chandra was found the jogging path continues onward along the creek and major road with heavy traffic.
It is along this road and on a highly public jogging trail that Guandique attacked joggers in the "park". It is far removed from the remote forest where Chandra was found, not technically far on a map, only a mile or so, but neither a jogger nor an attacker would venture up the side of that mountain on a hard to find winding narrow dirt horse trail deep into a remote forest.
What is not well reported is that while people do not jog on that steep, hidden horse trail up the side of the mountain, a road runs up the ridge above with picnic areas dropping off on each side at intervals. At the top of the hill is picnic areas 17 and 18 on the sides of the road, and a place to back a vehicle back to the horse trail and unload, horses or bodies or whatever.
It is below that picnic area with a convenient spot to back off the road into the trees to unload that Chandra was found, down the side of the hill. Here is what the local horse riders had to say about it, from chapter Horse Trail: http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2538
A longtime rider at the stables said she and other
riders think Levy was killed elsewhere and dumped in
the woods. They believe that their horses would have
picked up the scent of a decomposing body or that
riders would have seen animals attracted to a
corpse. [Horwitz, Sari and Allan Lengel. Levy May Have Been Strangled, Official Says Washington Post 14 July 2002.]
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Guandique brutally attempted to attack two women after Chandra disappeared, one just a week later, the other six weeks later. The first attack was before Chandra's disappearance made the news.
He got a severe, well deserved 10 year sentence for those attempted assaults and as an illegal will be deported when he has completed serving his sentence. Granted, even a moderate sum of money would set him up relatively comfortably in his native El Salvador when he gets deported, but he didn't get any help to keep from getting sentenced severely to 10 years in federal prison.
Contrast that with Condit's brother Darrell who was secretly provided a former Watergate lawyer and $50,000 to bail him out of jail while Rock Creek Park was being searched for Chandra. Darrell had been a fugitive on the run for the previous six years avoiding prison sentences in both Florida and California in Condit's district. Yet he was released yet again on bail and promptly jumped bond again, eluding capture until just before Chandra was found in Rock Creek Park by a secret "turtle hunter", never identified.
Guandique passed a lie detector test administered by the US Attorney's office. The fellow prisoner who claimed Guandique gave him a "cellmate confession" of stabbing Chandra in Rock Creek Park failed his lie detector test. This was after the highly publicized police searches of Rovk Creek Park and contained no unknown information, and of course when Chandra was found there was no cuts or blood found on her clothes.
Interestingly, Guandique, his cellmate accuser, Sven Jones, and two other men questioned by police, probably the gym manager and possibly the apartment manager, passed lie detector tests given by the police. The only person who refused to take a police lie detector test was Condit.
The only person who failed the lie detector test was Guandique's cellmate accuser. Prisoners provide bogus alleged "confessions" of their cellmates in hopes of being released early for their "cooperation".
Anybody who got the opportunity to visit the two mile park area between Klingle Mansion and the ridge hillside where Chandra was found would be amazed at how simplisticly everything is lumped together in reports. I write in Murder on a Horse Trail of the hike from Klingle Mansion to the ridge on a steep hill nearly two miles away.
Along the way a large well paved jogging trail runs along a major thoroughfare. When it reaches the foot of the large hill where Chandra was found the jogging path continues onward along the creek and major road with heavy traffic.
It is along this road and on a highly public jogging trail that Guandique attacked joggers in the "park". It is far removed from the remote forest where Chandra was found, not technically far on a map, only a mile or so, but neither a jogger nor an attacker would venture up the side of that mountain on a hard to find winding narrow dirt horse trail deep into a remote forest.
What is not well reported is that while people do not jog on that steep, hidden horse trail up the side of the mountain, a road runs up the ridge above with picnic areas dropping off on each side at intervals. At the top of the hill is picnic areas 17 and 18 on the sides of the road, and a place to back a vehicle back to the horse trail and unload, horses or bodies or whatever.
It is below that picnic area with a convenient spot to back off the road into the trees to unload that Chandra was found, down the side of the hill. Here is what the local horse riders had to say about it, from chapter Horse Trail: http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2538
A longtime rider at the stables said she and other
riders think Levy was killed elsewhere and dumped in
the woods. They believe that their horses would have
picked up the scent of a decomposing body or that
riders would have seen animals attracted to a
corpse. [Horwitz, Sari and Allan Lengel. Levy May Have Been Strangled, Official Says Washington Post 14 July 2002.]
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One other explanation you have to consider is a sexual fantasy killing. Many serial killers have taken "tokens" or "souvenirs" of the killings. They have even been known to give them to significant people in their lives as gifts. (those people don't connect them to a killing, unfortunately). Jewelry is a common token.
Well, it rules out Guandique. He was a drug addict and petty thief to support his habit. He also gave his girlfriend some jewelry. He neither pawned Chandra's jewelry nor gave it to his girlfriend, and he didn't have it. More on Guandique in a chapter by that name from Murder on a Horse Trail: http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2537
I agree we have to deal with the probability of an abduction by a sexual predator and her body dumped in Rock Creek Park. The jewelry would not be pawned by such a person. The only question is how well they knew Chandra before murdering her.
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I agree we have to deal with the probability of an abduction by a sexual predator and her body dumped in Rock Creek Park. The jewelry would not be pawned by such a person. The only question is how well they knew Chandra before murdering her.
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upallnite said:
Well that's an interesting point. Chandra's father said something which raises questions, from chapter The Newport: http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2549
In addition to her new bracelet from Condit and her cherished signet ring from her mother inscribed with an intertwined 'CL', the police say her keys were missing, but intriguingly, her father says she left behind her regular key chain with pepper spray. [9] Bob Levy had always urged Chandra to carry pepper spray on her key chain, and she did. But not when she disappeared.
Chandra was a very security conscious woman. Her friend Lisa Bracken from Modesto told the Washington Post: "She was always bugging me to buy pepper spray." She added to CNN: "She always carried Mace and was very aware of her surroundings."
[9. Levy, Robert and Susan and Billy Martin. Interview with Larry King. Larry
King Live. CNN. 30 Apr. 2002. Transcript.]
My question is, why did Chandra take the pepper spray off her key chain the day she disappeared after looking up Rock Creek park on her computer?
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Good point, upallnite. The excerpt is a little ambigious. Bob Levy said on Larry Ling Live during a discussion of her key chain and pepper spray "You know, that was left behind". He was probably referring to the pepper spray she carried on her key chain, not her key chain and keys, but is ambigious enough that he could have been saying her regular key chain with pepper spray was left behind.
Those are the kind of details that never got nailed down in this case.
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Those are the kind of details that never got nailed down in this case.
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I saw the Court TV episode and there wasn't anything really new. They had a woman "FBI profiler" who made no sense...tried to twist stuff to point at Condit (like claiming a lipstick found nearby showed she was meeting someone special).
When the scheme to make it sound like Chandra was pregnant fell apart in Aug 2001, that clinched the innocence of Condit except for those brains saturated with media hype.
The fact is that Chandra was packed up to fly out of his life and Condit, scoundrel that he was, could go on the prowl for someone else. A competent profiler should be able to read that the best dream of a serial philanderer had come true...another conquest completed with no complications and you move on. The guy who attacked the other women is the near certain killer and if he didn't it was another random attacker.
When the scheme to make it sound like Chandra was pregnant fell apart in Aug 2001, that clinched the innocence of Condit except for those brains saturated with media hype.
The fact is that Chandra was packed up to fly out of his life and Condit, scoundrel that he was, could go on the prowl for someone else. A competent profiler should be able to read that the best dream of a serial philanderer had come true...another conquest completed with no complications and you move on. The guy who attacked the other women is the near certain killer and if he didn't it was another random attacker.
I wrote Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy but since publishers (Random House and Pocket Books) have told me that they won't publish books on open cases, and it wasn't possible to get it published as a low cost pocket paperback, I published it on my website at http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=32
It's a murder mystery I welcome all true crime readers to take a look at for an interesting read. I also added pictures and maps to the web version of Murder on a Horse Trail as well as discussion to help the reader follow along that winding horse trail.
Let me know what you think of it.
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It's a murder mystery I welcome all true crime readers to take a look at for an interesting read. I also added pictures and maps to the web version of Murder on a Horse Trail as well as discussion to help the reader follow along that winding horse trail.
Let me know what you think of it.
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