DC DC - Relisha Tenau Rudd, 8, SE DC, 26 Feb 2014 - #5

[Loudmouth]

This case makes me so mad. Unlike the case of Dr. Patrick, I don't think we will ever know what happened to little Relisha.

The quote from SY that burns me up the most is the one where she said she was a damn good mother and that there are lots of kids that would be lucky to have a mother like her. I find that so offensive...prepare for itemized rant, in no particular order of importance:

1. The clearest photo we have of Relisha (the black and white one) shows her with snot running out her nose. Clearly her mother was not keeping her clean. I also read that there were allegations of inadequate living conditions (CPS) in the past.

2. SY has always known that Relisha wasn't coming back. Otherwise she would have saved some of that "refund" money to get treatment for Relisha's alleged headaches and seizures, which Medicare allegedly refused to cover.

3. I can understand why SY would not make negative comments about KLT when he was alive. An innocent mother would be afraid that he might become angry and harm Relisha. But even with him dead, she has no comment when it comes to KLT. She appears totally at peace with him being dead and her daughter being missing.

I see some sleuths on here asking "Why kill the wife?" That wasn't the plan. Obviously something went wrong. I think what the wife knew is the key to this whole case. Obviously she saw something, heard something...and he had to get rid of her. He didn't have time to plan how to hide her body (if I remember correctly, the garbage bags were purchased after the wife's body was found) or anything. I find it odd that he kept going to all these hotels. I remember a family member of Relisha's was on JVM saying that KLT said he was going to take the girl to Disneyworld. I think that's when KLT was planning to cash in on all the extra food, clothes, attention and candy he'd been giving to Relisha. The trip to Disneyworld would distract her and confuse her memory so she'd forget to tell anybody what happened to her. Disneyland is mesmerizing for any child, but imagine a neglected, homeless child? But the plan got messed up somehow.
KLT appeared to go to extreme lengths to hide his sickness. That is why I believe we will never find her. He wouldn't want an autopsy to reveal sexual abuse. He was even willing to kill his wife to keep the secret.

 

[Bootsctr]

Anything is possible, but I can't wrap my head around that theory. Like you said, why kill his wife then? JMO.

I think he killed his wife because she was going to go to the police about what he was doing with Relisha and he could not have that happening. I wonder if LE has questioned any of her friends to see if she told them she suspected him of molesting Relisha? Apparently at some point I think he thought he could get away with murdering his wife and killed himself. He did not want to give up where Relisha is. "They" hate giving up the victims IMO.

On the other hand, since he did kill his wife, maybe he has stashed Relisha away somewhere with someone and she is still alive. Maybe he planned to start life somewhere else with Relisha. Kind of sick thinking, but these people like Tatum don't think like normal people. He could have envisioned Relisha and him being in love or something as sick as that.

Young says she is holding on to hope.

“I always have strong hopes,” Young said. “You can’t ever let your hopes down.”

On March 20, Tatum’s wife was found dead in a hotel room in Oxon Hill.

Police say anyone involved in the little girl’s disappearance will be charged. A $25,000 reward is being offered for Rudd’s safe return.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/04/10/relisha-rudds-mother-speaks-about-her-disappearance/

Hate to agree with anything this "person" says, but I still have hope too.

 

[paintedred]

I think the reason why no one has come forward despite the reward , is because the only people who know the actual truth are involved in the case directly, so therefore wont be saying anything or they will be arrested. They're all oddly disconnected and accepting about it all.

In Relishas family it seems they pay her no more mind than a random dog they lost or gave away.
I've never heard a missing child's family refer to them in the past tense whilst they are still actively and recently missing , either.

 

[popsicle]

Does anyone here think that LE hasn't arrested SY,MYT and perhaps others because LE suspects they do know what happened to Relisha but they aren't saying anything publicly?

I think they are still sifting thru everything and want to bring as many charges as they can to all those they can. moo

 

[Cinnamon]

I think he killed his wife because she was going to go to the police about what he was doing with Relisha and he could not have that happening. I wonder if LE has questioned any of her friends to see if she told them she suspected him of molesting Relisha? Apparently at some point I think he thought he could get away with murdering his wife and killed himself. He did not want to give up where Relisha is. "They" hate giving up the victims IMO.

On the other hand, since he did kill his wife, maybe he has stashed Relisha away somewhere with someone and she is still alive. Maybe he planned to start life somewhere else with Relisha. Kind of sick thinking, but these people like Tatum don't think like normal people. He could have envisioned Relisha and him being in love or something as sick as that.

Hate to agree with anything this "person" says, but I still have hope too.

BBM. ITA with this and everything else in your post. I think he was molesting Relisha (MOO from personal experience), and I think his wife knew, and she was going to turn him in to LE. In that case, her death at his hands, makes sense (as much as murder can make sense).

But, if, as I'm Lahoma posted...he was worried about Relisha's well-being in her family, and took her to take care of...then, IMO, his wife's death just doesn't make sense...that's why I asked, "why kill the wife" in response to that post.

Make no mistake about it, my opinion has always been (MOO from personal experience) that KT was pedophile, and he killed himself and his wife, because his sick-A life was about to be exposed.

I also agree with you about hating to agree with SY...I still have hope too, and that's the only thing that I've heard from her mouth that I would agree with.

Where is Relisha?!

 

[Bootsctr]

BBM. ITA with this and everything else in your post. I think he was molesting Relisha (MOO from personal experience), and I think his wife knew, and she was going to turn him in to LE. In that case, her death at his hands, makes sense (as much as murder can make sense).

But, if, as I'm Lahoma posted...he was worried about Relisha's well-being in her family, and took her to take care of...then, IMO, his wife's death just doesn't make sense...that's why I asked, "why kill the wife" in response to that post.

Make no mistake about it, my opinion has always been (MOO from personal experience) that KT was pedophile, and he killed himself and his wife, because his sick-A life was about to be exposed.

I also agree with you about hating to agree with SY...I still have hope too, and that's the only thing that I've heard from her mouth that I would agree with.

Where is Relisha?!

Maybe he accidentally killed her.

 

[mysteriew]

I think the reason why no one has come forward despite the reward , is because the only people who know the actual truth are involved in the case directly, so therefore wont be saying anything or they will be arrested. They're all oddly disconnected and accepting about it all.

In Relishas family it seems they pay her no more mind than a random dog they lost or gave away.
I've never heard a missing child's family refer to them in the past tense whilst they are still actively and recently missing , either.

In every case there is someone unrelated who knows something. They may not know the whole story. They may not be aware that what they know is important. They may not even be aware that what they know is related to the disappearance.

Something they saw. Something they heard. Something that someone told them. Or just something that seemed off. But whatever it is, it bothers them.

None of us exsist in a vaccuum. Others see, hear and form impressions related to us. But being unsure, wanting to believe that what they know is unimportant or un related can stop them from coming forward.

Some fear facing the media. But that is something I have to say about this police dept. They keep what they know and who they heard it from very close. Even the guy they were looking for hasn't been outed to the media. So if someone went to police, I think it is safe to say only they and the police would know they talked.

 

[shadow of my mind]

2. SY has always known that Relisha wasn't coming back. .

3. I can understand why SY would not make negative comments about KLT when he was alive. An innocent mother would be afraid that he might become angry and harm Relisha. But even with him dead, she has no comment when it comes to KLT. She appears totally at peace with him being dead and her daughter being missing.

I shortened for clarity. BBM

Yes, Yes and Yes The only thing that makes sense. (At least right now)


With KLT dead ...... there is no “witness” to state what SY’s involvement in this was.
With the exception of maybe MY/T (her Mother), but SY feels that her mom will never tell. Why would that be?

Extrapolating that thought … and running with it.

----Could MY/T be someone who also was helping to groom Relisha? Did she do this just for KLT or other men as well? Has MY/T done the same thing in the past, or maybe is even doing the same thing now.

One of those interviews, (I’m don’t remember which one) MY/T was commenting on "she always has other people’s children with her"

We already know than MY/T was not a capable parent… hence, SY being in foster care herself from the age 6 until she aged out at 18.

There is the constant defense by MY/T of SY. Is this nothing more than just MY/T trying to make it look like her daughter is not at fault and to help dim the spotlight on her own lack of being a responsible parent.

As a side thought.

----Could MY/T and Company have been looking for a hefty payday by suing the City and Shelter. One of the reasons I ask this is because in the last interview I thought that this exchange was extremely odd:

(Channel 9 News) where SY showed up unexpectedly,
--- Young also revealed to Jeffcoat for the first time that her daughter often spent time away from the shelter with other family members where she said Tatum would pick up Relisha. "Relisha didn't go missing from the shelter. It is a rule at the shelter that kids are not allowed to enter nor exit the facility without their parents and I feel that I should put that out," Young said.
Source: http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/dc/2014/04/09/relisha-rudd-mother-interview/7532971/

To me, this is like shooting yourself in the foot if you are looking for a large payout. Would that statement have an effect on any lawsuit plans? I would think that chances to be able to successfully sue the city, at least for that reason, went down by a large percentage.

Could it be a 2 for 1.

#1. A way for SY to attempt to bolster her own claims that she had nothing to do with ”giving” Relisha to KLT and placing the blame on her mother and other family members as a Hail Mary to keep herself out of jail.
#2. A way for SY to finally get back at her mother, for multiply reasons; some that come to mind is her own upbringing, to take away the chance for her mother to get a big payday, a way to let her mother know “she is in control now”.

:rollercoaster:
My mind is bouncing all over the place and I can’t seem to stay focused in one direction. This line of thought just opened up so many more ways to look at what we know , what we don’t know and the more I think about it the more disturbed I get. This is highly unusual for me. I usually have no problem in putting thoughts into cohesive sentences that connect point A. to point B. :hills:



Where is Relisha

 

[nursebeeme]

:nurse:

Back to werk folks

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi, and Good Morning all!

Does anyone know if there are any volunteer searches planned this weekend? Thinking about the fact that SY is so focused on the brand of shoes she says she bought for Relisha, it struck me as weird before, and it still does. I can't figure out why this one thing is what's most important to her besides the obvious. George Turner said during a blogtalk radio show a couple days ago, that Relisha was wearing "New Balance" purple and white shoes. Did SY tell him this, or MYT and AS? Why are the description of the shoes different? SY said in the WUSA9 special that she bought Relisha "Air Jordan 2013's" if IRC. The lack of anger, fear, guilt, desperation, etc., of SY, MYT, AW/TW and AS as well as the CYA mode of all, especially SY and MYT, coupled with the detail and focus on Relisha's shoes by SY, make me wonder if they know what happened to Relisha.

Relisha was last seen March 1. The instagram video of SY, Relisha and other kids was taken at AS apt. on March 1. On March 2, KLT bought the trash bags, lime and shovel. What happened to Relisha the night of March 1/morning of March 2, and where did whatever happen to her happen? And, who all knows the answers? Could it be that the kind of shoes Relisha was wearing when she disappeared are a clue as to who knows what, and when they knew it?

Just some questions that's been nagging at me.

I hope Relisha is found soon. Praying for Justice for Relisha.

I wish we could get back to the topic of finding her. I know it seems almost impossible to figure out where Relisha could be, but I would like to hear some fresh ideas and reasons for the areas they could search. (Using your post as a jumping off point since you mentioned searches.)

 

[ohhieliz]

I wish we could get back to the topic of finding her. I know it seems almost impossible to figure out where Relisha could be, but I would like to hear some fresh ideas and reasons for the areas they could search. (Using your post as a jumping off point since you mentioned searches.)

Do we know more about his job? Did he have a second job?

Did his keys for his job at the homeless shelter open up any other facilities that we know of?

 

[JLSChook]

It means they don't follow the news?! KT is definitely dead.

The 'man' that tweeter was talking about was the other guy in the video that LE was trying to identify and subsequently did. You're right, though...They don't follow the news because they tweeted that well after the above mentioned man was identified and questioned by LE.

 

[Solitaryone]

I wish we could get back to the topic of finding her. I know it seems almost impossible to figure out where Relisha could be, but I would like to hear some fresh ideas and reasons for the areas they could search. (Using your post as a jumping off point since you mentioned searches.)

When the search of the park began, and after, LE sounded very sure of the evidence they had that lead them to the park. I think Relisha is in the park or in one of the areas surrounding the park. I hope there will be volunteer searches of those areas. I haven't heard anything in the media about any searches planned though.

 

[Cinnamon]

I wish we could get back to the topic of finding her. I know it seems almost impossible to figure out where Relisha could be, but I would like to hear some fresh ideas and reasons for the areas they could search. (Using your post as a jumping off point since you mentioned searches.)

Not a fresh idea (sometimes answers are in the simple and obvious places), but I think the park needs to be searched more thoroughly. We know KT spent a couple of hours there (after purchasing the trash bags and lime), and we know they found his body there. IMO, that would be the most obvious place to search again...and the places he was at (wherever those were) between the time he made the purchase and the time he was seen in the park for those couple of hours. For me, I need more info...like have they done computer forensics on the iPad and cell phones...do they know his movements from point A to point B, etc..

I feel that Relisha is still alive and I want her to be alive...but I am also a very logical person, and a realist... and although it breaks my heart to say this: Relisha may no longer be with us in this earthly life. Having said that, I will never give up hope of finding her alive, not until they find her, or her little body. :cry:

 

[Cinnamon]

Do we know the evidence that led them to the park? Aside from the trash bags and lime? And those items, while ominous, couldn't have automatically led them to that park. Has LE ever said exactly WHAT led them to that park?

 

[popsicle]

The same day he bought those items he was in that park for several hours. Relisha has never been seen again since the day before, with him. That is all MPD has told us. moo

Chief Lanier has stated that many things led them to searching there.

 

[buggsmom]

Has there been any mention of outside search resources like KlaasKids Foundation interested in getting involved?

 

[kimi_SFC]

Do we know the evidence that led them to the park? Aside from the trash bags and lime? And those items, while ominous, couldn't have automatically led them to that park. Has LE ever said exactly WHAT led them to that park?

AFAIK, Chief Lanier has always kept the information/tip that led them to the park very close to the vest. In every presser I've watched, a reporter asked that specific question, and she declined/deferred to answer it. In fact, IIRC, she stated they were looking for Relisha, but instead found KLT. :sigh:

I wish we knew what it was that led them there. It must be highly significant. :moo:


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[mysteriew]

I wish we could get back to the topic of finding her. I know it seems almost impossible to figure out where Relisha could be, but I would like to hear some fresh ideas and reasons for the areas they could search. (Using your post as a jumping off point since you mentioned searches.)

What is within a half mile of the shelter? Any isolated vacant areas? Vacant buildings, trash strewen lots or wooded areas? Closed factories? I'd like to see areas like that searched.

 

[Bravo]

Thanks again for all the updates. Still catching up. Having said that I have been thru a very busy few days. Which I have eluded to earlier. I spent most of this week going thru written essays and grading them. Today thru Interviews I had the privilege of meeting with 12 Candidates. I will try to encapsulate all of this. I'm exhausted yet exhilarated. I talked with a teen who watched a Parent die and is inspired to go into medicine. Not only was that his only attribute he helps at camps. He noticed a child in another volunteer service he does and had bonded with. He bought him a pair of boots he needed for winter. The child was not embarrassed because they had a connection. That is what I looked for in choosing. Making connections. All of these kids had many Community accolades. Academics were a small consideration for these awards. Despite them all being achievers. Yet there were strugglers for many from their backgrounds. One made a point of having lunch with every new grade 9 sitting alone. That's what I graded. My last Interview today who going over the Essays with the Group early this a.m. was not even a consideration. He gave the best and strongest Interview. He won the scholarship. One of two for that sector.His Family Fostered from the time he was a young Child. If anyone has any doubt there are not good Families out there I saw it today. He spoke to how not only his Parents were his Mentors but he got the chance to pay it forward. I just had to pass this on. There are good Fostering Folk. And hope for the future. I have spoken earlier to this as to why I can be here. Balance. I truly experienced it today. There is hope. Still lease: