DC DC - Relisha Tenau Rudd, 8, SE DC, 26 Feb 2014 - #5

[Suthrnqt]

The pretty little swimsuit could have been her reward for "being good." Or it could be that it wasn't a secret.

^^^^This^^^^

 

[mysteriew]

YES! However, LE keeps saying it was KT. But...isn't it what they have to go by since they cannot prove otherwise now? When the AA went up, it was all on KT and the assumption he had RR with him. The information came from SY. Correct?

IIRC yes.

Here is kinda what I think could have happened....

Relisha was with KLT off and on. Possibly she was returned to family while at gma's house. Something happened. Panic. Disposed of body. Decided to say she was with friend or ill if someone asked. Too many questions being asked, pressure being applied. Lots of squirming being done. Since she never went back to shelter there is no witnesses to them having Relisha they think. Finally admits to Relisha being with KLT sometimes. All very innocent. Family friend. Possibly by that time he may have stopped coming to work any way. He had to know LE would look at him.

LE goes to find him and finds wife instead. But family is stuck with their original story. And maybe they didn't get all the details worked out. Like who saw her last, who let her go with him. When. More details needed to cover and distract and explain why she went with him to hotel so pool party. Swimsuit to prove that, didn't think of why they would have the suit. And so on and so on and so on.

Please note I said "could" have happened.


From what I hear about this family I have to believe they would have some street smarts. And one of the early things a child raised like this learns is to recognize a perv. IMO they knew.

And I still haven't figured out why he bought shovel and lime.

All this is conjecture and personal opinion of course.

 

[mysteriew]

I am only guessing here....I think LE has video of KT and RR at the Days Inn on 3/1. Nothing on video showing RR leaving with KT and on 3/2 KT going to Home Depot and purchasing the things he did.

Now see I question that. LE still says they believe she is alive. If they saw him leaving with something large enough to hold her body, I don't think they would say that.

 

[Cinnamon]

Glad I am not the only one who is confused here.

Me, too!

 

[Cinnamon]

LE has said the last place KLT and Relisha were at was the Days Inn, not the Holiday Inn. The "pool party" was supposed to be at the Holiday Inn on Feb.26. I doubt there was any "pool party'. Just more CYA mode from SY, and MYT, AS, etc.

BBM. At the Days Inn, on March 1st?

 

[Cinnamon]

Another thing brought up by others, if Relisha was ever playing with any "granddaughter" of KLT's, someone would have known this childs name. Certainly Relisha would have spoken of this mystery "granddaughter". But, they never refer to this alleged "granddaughter" of KLT's by name. I think that is just another of their stories, cause if they could name this mystery "granddaughter" of KLT's, they would have.

Exactly! This has always bothered me. Kids usually refer to their playmates by name, not by "KT's granddaughter". That seems unnatural to me.

 

[bettiepageturner]

I agree with everyone who's said it's sex trafficking.

One of the saddest parts about that to me is the fact that Tatum and co., if involved in such a manner, were only this bold because of past successes. They know exactly what kind of child won't be missed. They were only foiled because SY didn't go so far as to take Relisha out of school permanently or skip enrolling her in the first place. Who knows what the long term plan was?

(I know I'm being kind in assuming SY has the capacity to make or follow a long-term plan, even one that promises many crisp dollar bills for her to Instagram. What an empty existence.. so empty it sucked Relisha right into the pit, one she can hopefully still crawl or be pulled out of. lease

 

[Cinnamon]

YES! However, LE keeps saying it was KT. But...isn't it what they have to go by since they cannot prove otherwise now? When the AA went up, it was all on KT and the assumption he had RR with him. The information came from SY. Correct?

Yes, IIRC, that info came from SY. And we know she's a liar, IMO.

That's why I'm trying to focus on the March 1 - March 2 timeline. Someone else mentioned this upthread, and I agree, that time frame is very important, because according to LE, March 1 is the last time Relisha was seen with KT, and it is also the date that Relisha was last seen at all. But, then there's the "dancing video," which IIRC, was from March 2 ??

Do we know the date that the video was shot or just the day that it was posted online? Apologies, I know this has been asked, and probably answered, but I'm trying to work and follow the thread so I can't look it up right now.

 

[bakerlady]

Just jumping off your post....

Why would KLT hide her body if he planned on committing suicide? That just doesn't make sense to me. MOO, as usual.

Maybe Relisha was already dead? Maybe that's why KT killed AT, because she knew?

I sure hope that is not the case but it makes sense.


I thought Feb 26 was the last time Relisha was seen alive, from the hotel video.

I don't understand where the March 1 comes from. If it's coming from MY or SY I don't believe it for one second and I don't understand why LE would take their word for it either. They change their story on a daily basis.

 

[bettiepageturner]

Maybe Relisha was already dead? Maybe that's why KT killed AT, because she knew?

I sure hope that is not the case but it makes sense.


I thought Feb 26 was the last time Relisha was seen alive, from the hotel video.

I don't understand where the March 1 comes from. If it's coming from MY or SY I don't believe it for one second and I don't understand why LE would take their word for it either. They change their story on a daily basis.

bbm

Maybe his associates wanted to ensure there wouldn't be a living witness. Maybe none of them thought they'd be caught, and he only killed himself when he realized he was the only one identified and that there was no hope of getting away with it. JMO. No rearrangement of the timeline makes much sense to me.

 

[Cinnamon]

IIRC yes.

Here is kinda what I think could have happened....

Relisha was with KLT off and on. Possibly she was returned to family while at gma's house. Something happened. Panic. Disposed of body. Decided to say she was with friend or ill if someone asked. Too many questions being asked, pressure being applied. Lots of squirming being done. Since she never went back to shelter there is no witnesses to them having Relisha they think. Finally admits to Relisha being with KLT sometimes. All very innocent. Family friend. Possibly by that time he may have stopped coming to work any way. He had to know LE would look at him.

LE goes to find him and finds wife instead. But family is stuck with their original story. And maybe they didn't get all the details worked out. Like who saw her last, who let her go with him. When. More details needed to cover and distract and explain why she went with him to hotel so pool party. Swimsuit to prove that, didn't think of why they would have the suit. And so on and so on and so on.

Please note I said "could" have happened.


From what I hear about this family I have to believe they would have some street smarts. And one of the early things a child raised like this learns is to recognize a perv. IMO they knew.

And I still haven't figured out why he bought shovel and lime.

All this is conjecture and personal opinion of course.

BBM. I respectfully disagree with this comment. Kids might be raised to recognize the "stereotypical" perv...sleazy-looking, hanging around the school, park, etc., wherever kids hang out, leering at the kids. But, I doubt, in fact, I KNOW from personal experience, most kids would NOT recognize "Mr. Nice Guy" as a perv, especially when he's being nice to them, giving them gifts, and pretending to care about their well-being. Pedophiles are good at what they do, and often they do not appear as a monster or a perv. In my case, he was a pillar of the community...well-dressed, well-spoken, a regular "nice-guy" in the neighborhood...loved and respected by all, adults as well as children. If they only knew! MOO and my :twocents:

 

[mysteriew]

BBM. I respectfully disagree with this comment. Kids might be raised to recognize the "stereotypical" perv...sleazy-looking, hanging around the school, park, etc., wherever kids hang out, leering at the kids. But, I doubt, in fact, I KNOW from personal experience, most kids would NOT recognize "Mr. Nice Guy" as a perv, especially when he's being nice to them, giving them gifts, and pretending to care about well-being. Pedophiles are good at what they do, and often they do not appear as a monster or a perv. In my case, he was a pillar of the community. MOO and my :twocents:

Respectfully KLT wasn't a pillar of the comunity. He was the one other parents warned their kids to stay away from. I know what you are saying but it is different in this case. He was more the hanging around the playground stereotype.

But I don't blame Relisha. I am saying the mother knew IMO.

 

[bakerlady]

On Tuesday evening, the FBI released surveillance video that shows Tatum and Rudd at a Northeast Holiday Inn on February 26, 2014. It is the same day Rudd's mother allowed Tatum to take the girl from the D.C. homeless shelter, where he works as a janitor.

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The hotel in question does have a pool and I am almost certain that there are cameras that would have spotted RR and KT entering and swimming and leaving, etc.

ASHINGTON (WJLA/AP) - D.C. police stormed the Gateway Days Inn on New York Avenue Friday night, a search warrant in hand for room 245.
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The hotel's clerk told ABC7 off-camera that he checked 51-year-old Kahlil Tatum into room 245 on March 1, along with his Chevy SUV.
Tatum is now wanted for the murder of his wife, and for the March 1 disappearance of 8-year-old Relisha Rudd.
Recently, ABC7 uncovered an Instagram video of Relisha, from an account in her's mother name, Shamika Young.
The video is time-stamped March 1 - which is important, because Relisha's mother originally reported seeing her last three days earlier, before the 1st of March.
We now know that Tatum was at the Days Inn on March 1 - a place where, guests say, you can easily hide in plain sight.
"Felons stay here," one guest told ABC7, as well as many who have lost their homes. For that reason, guests say Tatum stood out when he checked in on March 1 wearing a shirt and tie, and paying with a Mastercard.
However, another Days Inn guest who did not want to go on-camera told ABC7 he did see Relisha Rudd - not there at the hotel, but at the Virginia Williams Homeless Center on Rhode Island Avenue NE, around the 1st or 2nd of this month.
The guest said the homeless center is also where he bumped into Kahlil Tatum. Interestingly, the center is just across the street from the Home Depot store where Tatum reportedly purchased large, industrial-sized garbage bags.
At the same time, divers are returning to the waters of Kenilworth park and aquatic gardens in D.C., continuing the search for Relisha.
Police spokesman Hugh Carew said the search resumed Saturday in the park, as well as in the Anacostia River and some of the seven small bodies of water in the park. A foot search will resume Monday.
Police Chief Cathy Lanier said Friday that the search of the 700-acre park is "very technical" and includes divers going into small bodies of water.


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So, there is no evidence of RR on March 1, just a witness statement that says she was seen at a homeless shelter on RI ave.

I am originally from the area and the Holiday Inn is a nice hotel, the Days Inn is where prostitutes and druggies go.

Do we trust the witness statement that RR was seen on March 1? I don't know...what if this person was a friend/accomplice of KT and was trying to cover for him?

Does anyone have a copy of the video of RR dancing from instagram?

 

[popsicle]

Yes, IIRC, that info came from SY. And we know she's a liar, IMO.

That's why I'm trying to focus on the March 1 - March 2 timeline. Someone else mentioned this upthread, and I agree, that time frame is very important, because according to LE, March 1 is the last time Relisha was seen with KT, and it is also the date that Relisha was last seen at all. But, then there's the "dancing video," which IIRC, was from March 2 ??

Do we know the date that the video was shot or just the day that it was posted online? Apologies, I know this has been asked, and probably answered, but I'm trying to work and follow the thread so I can't look it up right now.

When that video was first posted by msm, wusa or nbc4, they stated the date of 3/1 was embedded in the video. What the FBI found may differ, but I don't think it matters much because when Chief Lanier adjusted the timeline, she did so based on evidence they had uncovered...hotel video etc and not on what SY or MY said. jmo

 

[Cinnamon]

Respectfully KLT wasn't a pillar of the comunity. He was the one other parents warned their kids to stay away from. I know what you are saying but it is different in this case.

But I don't blame Relisha. I am saying the mother knew IMO.

BBM. Oh, I haven't read that. Where did you see that? TIA

 

[Cinnamon]

When that video was first posted by msm, wusa or nbc4, they stated the date of 3/1 was embedded in the video. What the FBI found may differ, but I don't think it matters much because when Chief Lanier adjusted the timeline, she did so based on evidence they had uncovered...hotel video etc and not on what SY or MY said. jmo

BBM. True. I was just wondering if the video was actually shot on 3/1 or if was shot at an earlier time and simply posted on 3/1. But, I agree, I guess it really doesn't matter, because it's from SM and that doesn't factor into LE's timeline. TY!

 

[Solitaryone]

Now see I question that. LE still says they believe she is alive. If they saw him leaving with something large enough to hold her body, I don't think they would say that.

LE has said Relisha could still be alive. Not that they think she is, because they have said they just don't know. If LE really thought Relisha was alive they would not have searched the park for a week. Even after the search LE stood by whatever info it is they have that lead them to search the park.

 

[bakerlady]

BBM. Oh, I haven't read that. Where did you see that? TIA

Several parents at the shelter said they told KT to stop giving gifts and stop talking to their children.

 

[Solitaryone]

BBM. At the Days Inn, on March 1st?

Yes, LE said the last known place where KLT and Relisha were seen before she came up missing was Days Inn. They gave March 1 as date when Relisha was last seen.

 

[Solitaryone]

Yes, IIRC, that info came from SY. And we know she's a liar, IMO.

That's why I'm trying to focus on the March 1 - March 2 timeline. Someone else mentioned this upthread, and I agree, that time frame is very important, because according to LE, March 1 is the last time Relisha was seen with KT, and it is also the date that Relisha was last seen at all. But, then there's the "dancing video," which IIRC, was from March 2 ??

Do we know the date that the video was shot or just the day that it was posted online? Apologies, I know this has been asked, and probably answered, but I'm trying to work and follow the thread so I can't look it up right now.

The video from March 1, was another video, not the dancing video. SY had posted a video clip of her, Relisha and other children from AS's apt. I do not know what date the video with Relisha and her brothers dancing was from.