DC DC - Relisha Tenau Rudd, 8, SE DC, 26 Feb 2014 - #6

[Yoda]

Tomorrow at 7pm they're scheduling a 3 hour show. We shall see if SY & MTY will both be on. SY agreed on the air. A caller requested for MTY to be on at the same time. AT-J will be on, but IMO it is SY that needs to answer questions this time, not ask coached questions to things she should already know.

Deflection isn't going to work on an audience as educated on the case as this one.

#FindRelisha


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Alright WSers! We have less then 24 hours to compile our questions, prioritize them, and plan on who is hitting the phone lines and who is posting them to FB.

 

[Tssiemer]

I'm so dumb. I was like "Who is Judy Sheindlin, is she an author" Googled her... I literally watch her everyday on TV lol. I love Judge Judy. It was just weird seeing her full name lol!!!

 

[Bootsctr]

So Kahlil Tatum is dead?

Yes, presumedly suicide, but at this point I don't know what to believe. I almost believe somebody wanted Relisha so bad that they killed Kahlil and Andrea. I don't know. The stepfather didn't come across as such a nice guy.

 

[Bravo]

So Kahlil Tatum is dead?

Yes. Found in a building at the park in the search for Relisha. LE reports suicide.

 

[Bootsctr]

Alright WSers! We have less then 24 hours to compile our questions, prioritize them, and plan on who is hitting the phone lines and who is posting them to FB.

I don't FB darn it! But they will be questions asked on tomorrow's show?

 

[Tssiemer]

Yes, presumedly suicide, but at this point I don't know what to believe. I almost believe somebody wanted Relisha so bad that they killed Kahlil and Andrea. I don't know. The stepfather didn't come across as such a nice guy.

Oh my gosh. Andrea was his wife he was accused of murdering right?

 

[tlcya]

Well that was enlightening! I believe KT's nephew. Seems like an upstanding kind of fella and he believes in his uncle. He was honest and open about things. I do hope someone asks him about the divorce being filed by KT back in February since he feels they were a happy couple. Maybe he wasn't aware of recent trouble?

It was awesome that SY called in and I agree the host should not have shut her down. Her spontaneously talking and asking questions was a golden opportunity which was missed. If she comes on tomorrow night, it will give her time to think and prepare so we lose the candid behavior somewhat.

Definitely going to tune in tomorrow!

I would love to see someone ask that and also things [ETA of Andre, nephew to Tatum] like

How often did you see/spend time with your aunt and uncle? Were they together or separate those incidences? ON those occassions when you did spend time around your uncle recently, what were the circumstances (Family gatherings/just he and I hanging out mowing the lawn or running errands/etc)

 

[Bootsctr]

On the new fb page (the relisha rudd task force) there is a go fund me link. It says the money will go to one of three things:" Reward Money For whomever returns her unharmed. Two for Relisha for Pain Suffering Medical Bills if needed (Relisha when she wa last seen she was having Migraine Headaches and Seizures and the mother was struggling with Insurance). Third IF (God Forbid) Relisha is Deceased The Donations will help Relisha's family For Funeral Expenses. Please Help this family."

All three are questionable. 1. Reward for wwhomever returns her.
2. Pain and suffering, medical bills if needed. - Who decides? And will it be like her getting a tablet and the adults have possession of it?
3. Help for funeral expenses. - I am uncomfortable with the 'help'. Does that mean only some of it and the rest could go wherever?

Maybe I'm too cynical. Jmo

This needs to be one of the FB questions. I would love to help Relisha, but I want to directly help Relisha and I want her to be found alive.

 

[Yoda]

Alright WSers! We have less then 24 hours to compile our questions, prioritize them, and plan on who is hitting the phone lines and who is posting them to FB.

Quoting myself
Maybe this should be done downstairs. Jmo

 

[Bootsctr]

Oh my gosh. Andrea was his wife he was accused of murdering right?

Yes, and from what I have read that is an open and shut case. LE is not investigating it. :scared:

 

[oldwindow]

I bet he has one of his sons on disability! If so, and AW/TW gets a check, that would account for him getting two checks.

Well he could be getting ssi & ssd.. Its common. as for the case


My theory is. I think the other guy who met in Richmond is the one that is to be had to solve this. I think he killed the little girl and this guy might have had a gun as well. tatum left with him that day but what about the 3rd person.? Someone picked him up.

I think after they killed his wife they went and got RR and might have killed or sold her, it was duo plan hit.

He went to richmond to get him a killer.

. Some one is covering there on tracks here.. One thing that don't add up to me is why didn't he kill his wife sooner. I think he had no reason to do so. The divorce didn't bother him if he has killed before. He needed a plan, or some made it see like a plan

Think this Richmond guy gave him the hotel money for the little girl and he might've killed her during a rape.

It could be the Richmond guy gave him some money for the hotel and RR. I think they panic and to cover the tracks of her death , They called his wife because she knew these two guy where at the hotel or to give them money for the laters hotels claiming he will pay it back. Again tatum had no where to go or real residence, Nothing to lose, this was a ploy.

As For who killed tatum or was it self inflicted. I think he was put in that position. He sold the little girl and she was raped / killed. Also killed his wife. This Richmond guy is the one with the child rape charges and history to my reading. He is the only one blaming tatum. As for why didnt they kill RR mother because she was hiding . I think the grand mother knew, as well as the mother. when people are spooked they don't speak badly on you.

They knew/ know s Tatum knows killers and none has been charged yet. One guy said bad things on tatum then re-tracked it.. why did someone spooked him. The urban rule in the streets is "don't snitch, if you do you die".. this is why they are lying so much and this why they are re-tracking a lot of stuff. in my opinion.. I think they are real stupid in action, this is circles of shadow making. Which mean they shifting the blame on no-one really just keeping it off them. Covering up their on guilt

The mother and some them have the boldest faces I have sever seen in my life. Wats wa sthat killer name in califonia that was serial killing people in the 9o's. He was a cult killer was caught by neighborhood watch. His police photo looked like the devil himself. That's what I saw when I looked RR mother and grandmother the 1st time I ever saw them just cold and emotionless. False sympathy

 

[Yoda]

I don't FB darn it! But they will be questions asked on tomorrow's show?

Yes. It looks like he wants people to post questions that he can ask.

 

[Solitaryone]

AT-J said he didn't know anything about KLT and AKT divorcing. He said they, ( his family ) hadn't heard anything about it.

 

[Bravo]

Sorry but I spit out my coffee when TW states Lawyer advised to stay out of the public eye for safety reasons. Usually a Lawyer will tell you to STFU :floorlaugh: Sorry but their BS is so transparent.

 

[Tssiemer]

Yes, and from what I have read that is an open and shut case. LE is not investigating it. :scared:

Ok I think I'm finally caught up lol. Thank you guys so much.

 

[Minette]

Poor Relisha, her family is like every episode of Cops ever all rolled up into one dysfunctional ball.

And I find the thought of AW acting like he's some kind of baller with a wad of disability money in his mouth just about the most pitiful thing I've ever seen.

 

[Bootsctr]

Well he could be getting ssi & ssd.. Its common. as for the case


My theory is. I think the other guy who met in Richmond is the one that is to be had to solve this. I think he killed the little girl and this guy might have had a gun as well. tatum left with him that day but what about the 3rd person.? Someone picked him up.

I think after they killed his wife they went and got RR and might have killed or sold her, it was duo plan hit.

He went to richmond to get him a killer.

. Some one is covering there on tracks here.. One thing that don't add up to me is why didn't he kill his wife sooner. I think he had no reason to do so. The divorce didn't bother him if he has killed before. He needed a plan, or some made it see like a plan

Think this Richmond guy gave him the hotel money for the little girl and he might've killed her during a rape.

It could be the Richmond guy gave him some money for the hotel and RR. I think they panic and to cover the tracks of her death , They called his wife because she knew these two guy where at the hotel or to give them money for the laters hotels claiming he will pay it back. Again tatum had no where to go or real residence, Nothing to lose, this was a ploy.

As For who killed tatum or was it self inflicted. I think he was put in that position. He sold the little girl and she was raped / killed. Also killed his wife. This Richmond guy is the one with the child rape charges and history to my reading. He is the only one blaming tatum. As for why didnt they kill RR mother because she was hiding . I think the grand mother knew, as well as the mother. when people are spooked they don't speak badly on you.

They knew/ know s Tatum knows killers and none has been charged yet. One guy said bad things on tatum then re-tracked it.. why did someone spooked him. The urban rule in the streets is "don't snitch, if you do you die".. this is why they are lying so much and this why they are re-tracking a lot of stuff. in my opinion.. I think they are real stupid in action, this is circles of shadow making. Which mean they shifting the blame on no-one really just keeping it off them. Covering up their on guilt

The mother and some them have the boldest faces I have sever seen in my life. Wats wa sthat killer name in califonia that was serial killing people in the 9o's. He was a cult killer was caught by neighborhood watch. His police photo looked like the devil himself. That's what I saw when I looked RR mother and grandmother the 1st time I ever saw them just cold and emotionless. False sympathy

Night Stalker - Richard Ramirez. Your theory sounds good. LE needs to keep looking though. Like tlcya said, everything can't be tied up in a neat little bow sometimes and I think this case is the perfect example.

 

[Tssiemer]

Well he could be getting ssi & ssd.. Its common. as for the case


My theory is. I think the other guy who met in Richmond is the one that is to be had to solve this. I think he killed the little girl and this guy might have had a gun as well. tatum left with him that day but what about the 3rd person.? Someone picked him up.

Respectfully Snipped by me for space

That's so involved. So KT just snapped one day and sold an 8 year girl and killed his wife with someone and then killed himself/was murdered??

 

[Bravo]

I still go back to the early days. When LE reported at the first presser it was a recovery based on information they had. They stated KT had purchased those Industrial type garbage bags. The reports of lime and shovel were second hand and never confirmed. I do believe it to be true. IMO LE would want a little more than the purchase of garbage bags to conduct such a search. IMO KT committing suicide appears to be absolute as far as LE is concerned. There would be residue on his hands and other evidence we don't know. LE seems sure nobody else had entered or exited the hotel room after those 3 folk left the night AT was murdered. IMO they have some footage? They do know the key card was never used again until they (LE) entered. Sorry I don't have all the links handy. Oh and why was KT only interested in the dire situation of Relisha? What about her siblings????

 

[shadow of my mind]

From the Warren Experience interview from tonight with Andre` Tatum and with Toni Wheeler and Shamika Young and George Turner calling in as well.

OK, This is not a full and accurate transcript. Did this while I listened so there is going to be a ton of errors. Again there is no proper punctuation and I tried to insert [ ] names to help keep things straight.
Caller: First Name (could not here) Wheeler: on behalf of Shamika Young. I was a resident at the shelter. What they are portraying her to be is not how she is. The media is putting out a false story. She is stressing, she’s crying. No one cares about her. She is not a bad person. What so they want her to do? To go out and knock on doors or stand on the street.
Caller Nicole: We, the public, do want her to go out and stand on corner looking for her child. People who don’t even now this child are out there looking for. Everything they [family] have said has been proved to be lies. Stories are inconsistent. You want people to advocate for you. Why don’t you [Shamika] want to advocate for your child. Get your butt out there and do something. You won’t say anything negative about Tatum. Look for your child.
Caller Unnamed: Turns out to actually be George Turner: Yes we were out there, just on another corner (Penn & Minnesota Ave)
Caller Unnamed: Mother is not consistent. Why was family not at vigils? Agrees with everything Nicole said. Don’t blame the police. Family is not helping.
Caller Unnamed: Bashing Shamika, well of course. You’re not giving us any trught. Go out there and make a statement about your Child.
Host: We are asking Shamika to come on here on. There are big loop holes. Loop holes that need to be closed.
Andre` Tatum [KLT’s nephew]
Host: How close were you with your Uncle.
Tatum: I have been to his house and drink, watch movies. Very close. Saw Relisha playing at the shelter. Seen Relisha with my uncle but never seen her at his house.
Host: Who are the two step-daughters?
AT: I don’t no nothing about 2 step daughters
Host: I sorry, meant his Grandchild. Does he have grandchildren?
AT: Tatum had a Grandson, of my aunt, his wife, (the one who is dead). I know about AKT son that is the only grandchild that I’m aware of .
Caller unnamed: How are you connected to KLT
AT: I am Tatum’s sister’s son.
Host: Is there anything that you want to talk about the news did not cover?
AT: How they found his body. He was dead for 36 hours before they found him. I don’t understand how they searched the park the day before, and he wasn’t there. I don’t know, maybe he came there when no one was there. I Think that his body was placed there. I don’t think he committed suicide. That building they found him in was not sound proof at all. None of them buildings would have been. I have been there, years ago and there is no way you could not hear a gunshot.
Caller Unnamed: You just said he [Tatum] didn’t have no granddaughter just a grand son
AT: Yes that is correct. I don’t know anything about a granddaughter. In less he had some secrete that I would not know. We didn’t know anything about him wanting the divorce.
Caller unnamed: But you would know about family right? Why would there be secrete family members? Who is this grandson? How old is he?
AT: I’m 23. I have met the grandson, he was 7. I don’t know who he’s from. May have been from one of his sons, don’t know.
Caller unnamed: Has your uncle been buried?
AT: No, he has not been buried. No. We are still waiting. I haven’t been told anything. No funeral arrangement that I know of.
Caller: Who was at the hotel?
AT: I do not know who those people were, but I want to find out so I can talk to them.
Caller: Do you know who the Metro person was, the one they were looking for?
AT: That was my cousin. They assumed he may have known something because there was a picture of them together on FaceBook at some time. (Could not catch the rest of this)
Caller unnamed: What were KLT and his wife doing at the hotel? Were they living there?
AT: There were not living at the hotel.
Caller unnamed: What was his wife and him like together?
At: They did everything together. Nothing that even looked like there were going through a rough patch.
Caller unnamed: Can you tell me who your uncles children are? How many
At: He has two sons who live in MD, and his Daughter lives in VA, the step daughter and him had a good relationship. (I’m not sure if I got this information down correctly)
Caller unnamed: Did he act funny or not normal?
At: No nothing. He was regular acting, his normal self.
Caller unnamed: Have you ever seen him with Relisha?
AT: Seen Relisha at the shelter, once when I applied for a job there. Saw her one time out with my Uncle outside of the shelter.
Caller unnamed: What do you know about this pool party?
At: It was a pool party, was the hotel, but don’t know when it started, or the times.
Host: Your uncle has two bio sons and one daughter, is this correct?
AT: Correct.
Caller unamed: Did KLT have a Degree in anything?? Maybe something related to medical, male nurse or something like that? Did he attend a conference in Atlanta?
At: He had something in the Culinary Arts or something of that. Him writing on or speaking about Relisha’s condition or something, I don’t believe that he would do that.
Caller unnamed: [Who is actually George Turner]: your uncle had a 9 year old granddaughter. (note this is a statement and not a question) Who was at that hotel with your uncle?
AT: None [referring to granddaughter question] that I know of. We, my family, have given everything that we knew, told LE everything that we can think of. Places that we have been, people that we think he knew. Everything! Don’t know who those people are. But I’m sure the police know who there are because they have video.
Caller Antonio Wheeler: I have a few some things to say: It was the grandmother that say Relisha was ill. Grandmother told us that she gave your uncle’s name as the doctor. That was tax money and disability money and it was before Relisha got gone.
AT: I have no idea why he would write the note as a doctor. I don’t believe he would do that.
Gabbled, back and forth with Wheeler being aggressive to Andrea Tatum. Host gets in on it. Wheeler talking over host.
Wheeler: [Shouting]Evidence saying that Relisha was at her grandmohter’s house before she went missing.
Host: [to Wheeler] You threatening people who have her picture on their Facebook page to take it down. Why? They are trying to help. What have you done to help find her?
AW: I walk the street looking for her. Every night I’m out. The Grandmother, the sister, school failed my daughter.
Caller Katy: You uncle was in jail. [gives a list of dates] Can you help me out with the date? When to when? Did he have good intentions to help Relisha, and something went wrong with other people who were bad?
AT: He was in jail to 2006 on probation to 2011. He was a not pedophile. He would not hurt any child. I don’t believe he would do that. No record that he was ever involved in child trafficking or anything. Yes, I think that is what has truly happened. [referring to bad people]
Caller unnamed: Do you know Ricky Lyles. Is he a friend?
AT: Ricky is KLT sister’s husband. [Note: No mention of the fact that there is another Ricki Lyles, middle initial is C. and I don’t know if that is a son of the older RSL or a nephew of his or how he is related, but he is listed in a family obit]
Caller unamed: How did your uncle act towards Relisha?
AT: He spoke of Relisha as his own daughter; he was helping her out of something. Nothing specific, just
vague words like I’m just helping her out, she is a troubled kid.

AT: He was helpful person. If you needed it he would help you.
Caller unamed: Why would he kill his wife? Do you believes Relisha still alive?
AT: I don’t believe he killed his wife. There is no way. They were a happy loving couple. I don’t know what happen. Yes I believe she [Relisha] is still alive

Shamika: I know something about your uncle. Is he from Kenilworth?
AT: Yes he was from Kenilworth
Shamika: When I was taken from my mother when I was six. I was raised by my mother. Yada, yada. I have no idea what she is talking about. I didn’t even try to catch all of this rant. Sorry.

AT: Did not say a word to her rant.
Shamika: How long has your uncle been married to Andrea.
AT: he was married before I was born (he is 23) Uncle is 61. I was always around him.
Shamika: Have you seen your Uncle with my daughter
AT: Yes I have walked with them. I have been and I have seen Tatum walk with Relisha (right by the convenience store that is closest to the shelter) a lot of times.