DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #1

[Inthedetails]

Originally we understood that the husband didn't get to the house until mid morning, 1030 ish. Now we understand that he was there about 9 ish. Even allowing for a very slow burning fire, that would be pushing it imo for smoke to be noticed at 1.15 pm. I though that the fire was set after they had received the package. Feels like the perps were taking a big gamble letting VF's husband leave the property and still hanging around for another couple of hours.

The perps were waiting for the package to arrive. I think the fire started only after that happened.

 

[Aloysius]

These are all good points.

I agree that it sounds almost like he was shouting or talking through the doors or windows with SS which would be very strange in itself. That alone would make him real suspicous.

Even if an intercom was on the front door, I doubt it was on the other door where he walked around to another door. Usually people would only have it on the main front door. So I am kind of outruling an intercom.

Its almost like he was on a mission to find his wife at that point. I bet he was really worried about her.

Gosh, this case is so frustrating and sad.

The good news is I bet LE has much more than we know as they usually do. Maybe they are letting everyone talk to the media to catch them when their stories twist up.

Just sounds like people are making it up as they go along.

 

[Inthedetails]

I would like to know if he was observed banging on door or shouting to be heard inside either by yard crew or neighbors. I'd like to know whether he had a phone number for the house or not. Because if he had it, he could have called his wife the night before or called over there that morning and saved himself a trip.

If he did not call the house, I'd like to see what phone he was called on.

I'd like to know if he was indeed the man waiting for his missing "brother."

I'd like to know if he knew his wife had decided not to work with Nelly but go to the S's house instead,"to get off early."

I don't think he knew where she was working until NG called him in the morning. That's my hunch from piecing together NG's version of events. JMO.

 

[Elley Mae]

Also Thursday morning, one of Savopoulos’s assistants apparently left a package outside the Woodland Drive house, according to the police records. That person then drove to Chantilly and was there through the day. And at roughly the same time, Figueroa’s husband went to the house to check on his wife. There apparently was no answer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...140154-fbf7-11e4-9030-b4732caefe81_story.html

bbm

 

[savoiadilucania]

The call info is coming from NG or from LE through the media? I'm also surprised how much is being shared with the media, not just one outlet but interviews with more than one. Unusual.

JMO

More than one person has intimated NG's public presence looks suspicious. I saw something along the lines of "give her enough rope and she may hang herself".

 

[Aynia]

If she said she heard the voicemail at a certain time, a call had to be made to the voicemail number so that's easy for LE to verify. One doesn't call the voicemail and then doesn't listen to the messages,.additionally the length of that call can show if she did or didn't listened, just MOO

 

[Chickaroo]

I wonder if it's possible that the maid died of natural causes? Being under that much stress...her age or even a health condition? Would explain why only 3 had injuries. Seems like they were keeping little Philip separated to use a leverage against the adults. I find it terribly sad that he was found in another room alone, not near his parents.

I find it strange that the husband came to check on his wife and then simply took a call or possibly talking through the door? Instead of laying eyes on his wife. I would have asked what hospital she took her to and got in contact with her there. Maybe the husband of the maid had a language barrier? I can see where he may have sensed someone was on the other side of the door....you can hear movement or even see where the peep hole goes dark (b/c someone is peaking out).

 

[Hatfield]

Originally we understood that the husband didn't get to the house until mid morning, 1030 ish. Now we understand that he was there about 9 ish. Even allowing for a very slow burning fire, that would be pushing it imo for smoke to be noticed at 1.15 pm. I though that the fire was set after they had received the package. Feels like the perps were taking a big gamble letting VF's husband leave the property and still hanging around for another couple of hours.

Thank you.

That is a long time. This is really concerning to me now. How could the perps be so bold as to stick around after that husband left.

 

[jjenny]

Thank you.

That is a long time. This is really concerning to me now. How could the perps be so bold as to stick around after that husband left.

In Petit case, one of the perps even took mother to the bank to withdraw large sum of money. She went into the bank and informed teller she needed money for ransom because her family was being hold hostage. She was allowed to leave with the money. Perp took her home and killed her and her daughers. These perps are really brazen nowdays.

 

[dienermom]

Thank you.

That is a long time. This is really concerning to me now. How could the perps be so bold as to stick around after that husband left.

Yes it is a long time. Maybe they waited for the lawn service to leave?

 

[jjenny]

I wonder if it's possible that the maid died of natural causes? Being under that much stress...her age or even a health condition? Would explain why only 3 had injuries. Seems like they were keeping little Philip separated to use a leverage against the adults. I find it terribly sad that he was found in another room alone, not near his parents.

I find it strange that the husband came to check on his wife and then simply took a call or possibly talking through the door? Instead of laying eyes on his wife. I would have asked what hospital she took her to and got in contact with her there. Maybe the husband of the maid had a language barrier? I can see where he may have sensed someone was on the other side of the door....you can hear movement or even see where the peep hole goes dark (b/c someone is peaking out).

Until we know the autopsy results, it's possible. She could have had a heart attack from the stress of being held hostage.
Or perps could have killed her first to show the rest of the family they meant business.

 

[Aloysius]

More than one person has intimated NG's public presence looks suspicious. I saw something along the lines of "give her enough rope and she may hang herself".

I'm starting to think that this is a deliberate ploy by LE, if we're noticing these discrepancies then they surely are, and what better evidence than from her own mouth on camera!

 

[stmarysmead]

Also Thursday morning, one of Savopoulos’s assistants apparently left a package outside the Woodland Drive house, according to the police records. That person then drove to Chantilly and was there through the day. And at roughly the same time, Figueroa’s husband went to the house to check on his wife. There apparently was no answer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...140154-fbf7-11e4-9030-b4732caefe81_story.html

bbm

This is either poor reporting or another version of the husband/Nelly's story.

Was the lawn service there when the husband arrived? Did they see him shouting at the house or banging on the doors?

Or did they just see him leaving the house or standing outside the house having a cell phone conversation?

If his wife did not come home all night, when he believed she'd actually be home early..did he try calling Nelly...the night before...to see where she was, etc? I mean...anything could have happened to her. At the minimum, wouldn't he call her good friend, who was also her employer?

Even if that call wasn't answered, you'd expect such a call to be on Nelly's phone as a "missed call."

I'd like to know much more about his visit to the house.

 

[Aloysius]

Wouldn't it make a good movie if it turned out to be a love triangle/kill two birds with one stone scenario? Where one of the four thought they were part of what's going on only to find out at the last minute that they weren't.

 

[Elley Mae]

Three hours after the text was sent, the home was in flames and the four people, including another housekeeper who had stayed overnight, were all dead inside, police said.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/0...homicide-house-fire-investigation-114066.html

 

[jjenny]

Three hours after the text was sent, the home was in flames and the four people, including another housekeeper who had stayed overnight, were all dead inside, police said.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/0...homicide-house-fire-investigation-114066.html

That looks like bad reporting. Wasn't the voicemail and text message send to the same housekeeper, NG?

 

[SleuthBear]

When someone dials into voicemail to check their messages, is there a way to tell that happened or not?

We heard from NG that she didnt check her voicemail till Thursday and just wondering if LE has a way to prove that or not. When I check my voicemail on my house phone it resets the number to the number of messages to play it again so I am not sure if there is a way or not to know it has been played already. On a cellphone maybe there is a record of it somehow.

If the persons uses the cell phone to check messages then yes it is logged.

 

[Hatfield]

All JMO
At this point,
Im thinking that the perps were working with someone that knew the family and maybe promised them nobody would get hurt but had no intentions of keeping that promise.

It could be that even SS may have planned the fake robbery to try to claim insurance money or something and the perps could have lied to him about nobody getting hurt. The way he was able to talk to so many people and leave so many messages almost gives an impression of planning. I know he could be forced into all that but the way the messages were so specific almost hints at planning.

Or even the victim maid's husband. Like what if it was one of his friends that double crossed him and promised him that his wife would not be hurt. It would explain why he did not try to go over there that night before. Maybe he panicked on thursday and was going to go get her and maybe the perps locked the doors and wouldnt let him inside. He couldnt call LE at that point.

And of course the perps could have known someone and never even told them what their plan was. They may have just used info they knew about the house and family.

The whole thing is so bizarre. I hope LE solves this soon.

 

[dienermom]

That looks like bad reporting. Wasn't the voicemail and text message send to the same housekeeper, NG?

Agreed. The way it's written sounds like there are three housekeepers.

 

[SuzDuJour]

WUSA9.com reports: "Three of the four victims had injuries caused by sharp force or blunt objects, according to investigators. The police incident report found all four had "various traumatic injuries."

I take that to mean the housekeeper didn't die of a heart attack, unless it was while she was being murdered via traumatic injuries.

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/loc...e-murder-washington-savopoulos-fire/27561835/