DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #22

[Seattle1]

Paul Wagner‏Verified account @Fox5Wagner
Testifying in #mansionmurders trial, Jordon Wallace told the court there was nothing unusual, nothing out of the ordinary in his exchanges with Savas on when and how to pick up a package of money and deliver it to the house. Wallace said Savas told him not to knock on the door.

10:16 AM - 17 Sep 2018

Wagner‏Verified account @Fox5Wagner
A key witness in the #mansionmurders trial, Jordan Wallace, took the stand today and testified about his calls and texts and instructions on May 13th and 14th 2015. Wallace broke down in tears when a voice mail of Savas Savopoulos was played for the court.

10:12 AM - 17 Sep 2018

 

[Seattle1]

Alnwick‏Verified account @fox5melanie
Melanie Alnwick Retweeted Melanie Alnwick

IMO, Savvas demeanor was casual, even jovial. Hard to imagine how he could be so calm in that situation. #MansionMurders @fox5dc

Melanie Alnwick added,

Melanie AlnwickVerified account @fox5melanie
Jordan Wallace took the stand, testified he never met or knew Daron Wint, or anyone with the name Wint. Emotional after replay of voicemail from Savvas asking him to pick up package on Thurs. @fox5dc
10:17 AM - 17 Sep 2018

 

[Seattle1]

WOW ... JW testified under oath that he never met or knew defendant DW!! Put that to rest... MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Keith L. Alexander‏Verified account @keithlalexander
Savopoulos’s assistant Jordan Wallace is in courthouse to testify in quadruple murder trial. Defense argues Wallace played a role in murders. Prosecutors and police say there is no such evidence, which is why Wallace was never arrested. #Mansionmurders

7:08 AM - 17 Sep 2018

 

[Millhouse]

Early in the investigation, it was reported that JW allegedly lied to police about the "cash/bank" transaction. The defense can use this disparity to open questions about any other incidents completely unrelated to DC Mansion to discredit JW testimony. Pleading fifth is very appropriate here (or otherwise risk perjury charge for lying under oath). Nobody needs to know about lie JW may have told at age 12, 15, etc! Take note that JW was seen on video at hardware store during time line, and also working at the dojo with others. MOO

Bbm. Yes, that's what I was referring to in my post and is discussed in the article I linked. He changed what date SS called him, details about the dropoff, details about the bank pickup, etc.

I really don't think, and was not implying, he did anything- he was clearly well investigated.

I think it would be appropriate to plead the 5th about those topics and that this is likely what it's about. Or, as another poster said, maybe something more peripheral that the defense wants to use as a diversion.

 

[Seattle1]

Paul Wagner‏Verified account @Fox5Wagner
Jordan Wallace, testifying in #mansionmurders trial was repeatedly asked by Prosecutor Laura Bach weather anything seemed unusual or out of the ordinary on May 13 and 14th and Wallace said no every time. They have broken for lunch. He will be back on the stand.

10:25 AM - 17 Sep 2018

 

[OTPTarheel2018]

Anyone who has been put in a situation like this (being outright accused) needs to have good legal advice.

I genuinely have no idea if J.W. had anything remotely to do with this. I am just saying that I would expect "caution" to be used in an individual's testimony (e.g. pleading the 5th) as "good legal advice" for anyone in this situation.

Maybe JW signed a non- disclosure agreement/ contract with the S family and texting his girlfriend with the photo/texts was a violation of the contract . Who wants to lose that cool job?
Not JW.

JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Yes! He also lived in the same MD apartment complex as the Wint family and coincidentally met the Savopolous family at a racing event...

I believe it was JW's relative that lived in the same apartment complex. JW testifed today that he did not know defendant, and didn't know anybody by the name "Wint."

 

[Seattle1]

Bbm. Yes, that's what I was referring to in my post and is discussed in the article I linked. He changed what date SS called him, details about the dropoff, details about the bank pickup, etc.

I really don't think, and was not implying, he did anything- he was clearly well investigated.

I think it would be appropriate to plead the 5th about those topics and that this is likely what it's about. Or, as another poster said, maybe something more peripheral that the defense wants to use as a diversion.

@Millhouse - your posts are duplicating!

 

[taylorss]

Pleading the 5th? strange! The DEFENSE expects JW to invoke his 5th Amdmt right against self-incrimination? Given that they’re accusing him of involvement in the crime, I guess they would claim to expect that.

Remains to be seen if he really will plead the 5th. IMO his testimony may be undermined if he refuses to address why he “lied” to LE re his actions. IMO it seems like he’d be better off addressing it straightforwardly, lest the jury wonder what he is hiding.

As the 5th Amdmt only applies to criminal matters, maybe he was involved in unrelated shenanigans (EG, pure speculation by me, selling marijuana or moving stolen car parts). But if he’d been given immunity from prosecution for the crimes at issue, the 5th Amdmt would no longer be available to him. IMO I’d expect the state offer this immunity in order to encourage & strengthen his testimony.

And yet he’s going to testify without his attorney present?? Including possibly pleading the 5th when appropriate? JW is a young guy, apparently somewhat naive, on whom the defense would love to pin a brutal quadruple murder .... What exactly is his attorney doing today that’s more compelling? Bizarre.

 

[taylorss]

Oh wow, while I was rant-posting, JW was testifying! Fascinating stuff.

5th Amdmt only applies to criminal matters - not EG breach of contract with employer or any other private matter.

 

[zencompass]

Some of us have discussed the problem of inaccurate information in news articles .

Because of this, I plan to only read information contained in the Affidavits sworn by the detectives as well as only the accounts of :

Paul Wagner (@Fox5Wagner) | Twitter
Keith L. Alexander (@keithlalexander) | Twitter
and definitely Melanie Alnwick (@fox5melanie) | Twitter

Here is an example of a news article printing inaccurate information:

Excerpt :
"Witnesses also told the jury that wife Amy Savopoulos called the house sprinkler company the day before the crime."
Mansion Murders: Testimonies build timeline of events, phone calls prior to Savopoulos deaths


Accurate information from Paul Wagner (@Fox5Wagner) | Twitter

"Jose Villatoro told the court he worked for a sprinkler company and had gone to the house the morning of the 14th on a regular call. He says it was about 9 or 9:30 in the morning but when he went to the front door and rang the bell there was no answer. Villatoro says he noticed nothing out of the ordinary."

"Villatoro's boss testified--hours later--he spoke with Amy on her cell phone. She wanted to cancel the appointment but sounded "very nervous".

 

[Seattle1]

Pleading the 5th? strange! The DEFENSE expects JW to invoke his 5th Amdmt right against self-incrimination? Given that they’re accusing him of involvement in the crime, I guess they would claim to expect that.

Remains to be seen if he really will plead the 5th. IMO his testimony may be undermined if he refuses to address why he “lied” to LE re his actions. IMO it seems like he’d be better off addressing it straightforwardly, lest the jury wonder what he is hiding.

As the 5th Amdmt only applies to criminal matters, maybe he was involved in unrelated shenanigans (EG, pure speculation by me, selling marijuana or moving stolen car parts). But if he’d been given immunity from prosecution for the crimes at issue, the 5th Amdmt would no longer be available to him. IMO I’d expect the state offer this immunity in order to encourage & strengthen his testimony.

And yet he’s going to testify without his attorney present?? Including possibly pleading the 5th when appropriate? JW is a young guy, apparently somewhat naive, on whom the defense would love to pin a brutal quadruple murder .... What exactly is his attorney doing today that’s more compelling? Bizarre.

Oh wow, while I was rant-posting, JW was testifying! Fascinating stuff.

5th Amdmt only applies to criminal matters - not EG breach of contract with employer or any other private matter.

5th Amendment only applying to criminal matters is not necessarily true. There are exceptions, not necessarily applicable to this trial, but still not a blanket provision! Always beware of the exceptions...
Opinion | What happens if you take the Fifth in a civil case? [UPDATE: Note important correction as to item 2.]

 

[Seattle1]

Some of us have discussed the problem of inaccurate information in news articles .

Because of this, I plan to only read information contained in the Affidavits sworn by the detectives as well as only the accounts of :

Paul Wagner (@Fox5Wagner) | Twitter
Keith L. Alexander (@keithlalexander) | Twitter
and definitely Melanie Alnwick (@fox5melanie) | Twitter

Here is an example of a news article printing inaccurate information:

Excerpt :
"Witnesses also told the jury that wife Amy Savopoulos called the house sprinkler company the day before the crime."
Mansion Murders: Testimonies build timeline of events, phone calls prior to Savopoulos deaths


Accurate information from Paul Wagner (@Fox5Wagner) | Twitter

"Jose Villatoro told the court he worked for a sprinkler company and had gone to the house the morning of the 14th on a regular call. He says it was about 9 or 9:30 in the morning but when he went to the front door and rang the bell there was no answer. Villatoro says he noticed nothing out of the ordinary."

"Villatoro's boss testified--hours later--he spoke with Amy on her cell phone. She wanted to cancel the appointment but sounded "very nervous".

In this situation, I'd like to think you can trust the witness testimony under oath to be accurate versus the media report! From the report above:

Witnesses also told the jury that wife Amy Savopoulos called the house sprinkler company the day before the crime.

Many of these testimonies differ from what had been previously reported, as prosecutors continue to use under-oath testimonies to build the series of events. Firefighters who entered the burning home the morning of May 14 are also due to testify in the coming days.
Mansion Murders: Testimonies build timeline of events, phone calls prior to Savopoulos deaths

I do believe it's possible that AS called sprinkler company and made appointment day before crime, and also that a service call was made the following day.

 

[zencompass]

I understand what you are saying.

I'm just concerned that this inaccurate information makes no sense.

A.S. could have phoned them the previous morning but that has nothing to do with the timeline of this crime.

Whoever wrote that sentence made an error.

The article failed to mention that it was the morning of the 14th that the sprinkler rep was knocking at the door.

This is the critical timing.

The morning of the 14th, including the testimony of the owner of sprinkler company with the timestamp of a conversation initiated by A.S. at 1:09 p.m. on the day of the 14th (discrepancy possible because this rep had previously stated that their timestamp was off by one hour)

 

[zencompass]

Thank you @Harmony 2 for your post (#5) wherein you provided the following link:

This is very interesting, especially the vast experience of these panel members.

Mansion Murders: Panel of Legal Experts Discusses the Case

 

[taylorss]

5th Amendment only applying to criminal matters is not necessarily true. There are exceptions, not necessarily applicable to this trial, but still not a blanket provision! Always beware of the exceptions...
Opinion | What happens if you take the Fifth in a civil case? [UPDATE: Note important correction as to item 2.]

Not relevant that the provision can be invoked in a civil matter, this is criminal court, where it is available! But the infraction JW wanted to avoid “prosecution” for, leading to invocation of 5th, must be criminal in nature. JW cannot invoke 5th to avoid testifying about wrongdoing for which he couldn’t be criminally prosecuted. EG breach of contract vs his employee - contract law is a civil matter, wrongdoer in a contract matter is not criminally prosecuted (absent some other criminal wrongdoing EG fraud)

 

[Millhouse]

@Millhouse - your posts are duplicating!

Eek sorry. Trying to report them so they get removed... too late for me to edit them.

 

[Millhouse]

well, he is not pleading the 5th yet, and they are talking about how he lied to police.

"Jordan Wallace confirms for defense that he was told by Savvas’ sister to tell police everything he knew and police also told him to walking them through, step by step of what happened the morning before family was killed, but he still lied about some details. #MansionMurders"

Meagan Fitzgerald on Twitter

 

[Seattle1]

5th Amendment only applying to criminal matters is not necessarily true. There are exceptions, not necessarily applicable to this trial, but still not a blanket provision! Always beware of the exceptions...
Opinion | What happens if you take the Fifth in a civil case? [UPDATE: Note important correction as to item 2.]

Not relevant that the provision can be invoked in a civil matter, this is criminal court, where it is available! But the infraction JW wanted to avoid “prosecution” for, leading to invocation of 5th, must be criminal in nature. JW cannot invoke 5th to avoid testifying about wrongdoing for which he couldn’t be criminally prosecuted. EG breach of contract vs his employee - contract law is a civil matter, wrongdoer in a contract matter is not criminally prosecuted (absent some other criminal wrongdoing EG fraud)

Thanks, I got it and didn't say it applied here. Message was there are exceptions to the rule.