DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #5

[jjenny]

I haven't heard of anyone so far who I think would be this criminally sophisticated or who are professional carjackers, but there is a market for stolen high end cars that are shipped overseas:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/20...e_more_stolen_cars_disappearing_overseas.html

You probably wouldn't want to burn the car if you wanted to send it overseas.

 

[rkf]

One person associated with the case seems to have had dreams and aspirations of becoming a race car driver. Whether or not these dreams would come to fruition would depend on finances/financial backing. Another associated with the case traveled the country as a go kart racer and had a very real potential to become a professional racer as he would have had no problems financing his career. I find it interesting that this little person was the one most heinously injured, deep cuts and burned. There is something here that makes me very suspicious that there was some sort of jealous rage that fueled this crime.

Also, in W1's "bio video" he talks about how it takes money to race and if you don't have family/other backing, it's tough. Then he goes on to say how great it is that Autobahn is very supportive if they think you have talent. Then he gets fired from Autobahn.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Anyone involved with racing...especially go-karts...knows how to do all sorts of those types of things. This is not a reflection of anything, IMO.

Oh I agree- but welding, specifically, is an art. Like I could probably weld without knowing anything, but not well. It would have a lot slag or air bubbles and not hold up well. I only know that bc my ex inspects welds for work. Random, I know. Lol


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[Skigirl]

Anyone involved with racing...especially go-karts...knows how to do all sorts of those types of things. This is not a reflection of anything, IMO.

I think it's awfully interesting that W1 and DW had welding, employment connections to SS, and a certain church parking lot in Maryland in common. I know that welding skills are not uncommon in the racing world, but if you grabbed two people in the greater DC area at random, how likely would they be to have even one of those things much less three. Probabilities aren't certainties, but they can certainly point you in a direction.

 

[franker]

LOLLLL YES! I almost choked when I read "aggressive watch dog- yellow lab named ginger." ok the terms "aggressive watch dog" an "lab" don't even belong on the same planet. Hyper dog? Spastic dog? Sure. But a labrador is not a watch dog. At the most- hunting dog. But not watch dog.

The dogs were fine. They were out in the back yard and both are safe and healthy with the family.

ITA.

We have a Golden (which is similar in temperament to a Lab) and a tiny Bichon.

The Bichon would fight an intruder to the death.

The Golden would roll over and expect to have her belly rubbed.

 

[corundogs]

ITA.

We have a Golden (which is similar in temperament to a Lab) and a tiny Bichon.

The Bichon would fight an intruder to the death.

The Golden would roll over and expect to have her belly rubbed.

Same with my Golden and Boston Terrier. Rhett would be hiding in the bathroom though, not waiting for belly scritches! Damn dog is afraid of everything!! Even water!

 

[KristinSchmistin]

I think it's awfully interesting that W1 and DW had welding, employment connections to SS, and a certain church parking lot in Maryland in common. I know that welding skills are not uncommon in the racing world, but if you grabbed two people in the greater DC area at random, how likely would they be to have even one of those things much less three. Probabilities aren't certainties, but they can certainly point you in a direction.

And for what it's worth I'm still highly skeptical of his involvement so I am really not trying to read into this at all. It's just.... Weird. Too many weird things for this kid.


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[rkf]

It's raised my suspicion as well. Plus, the boy was torched and so was the car. iirc, in the charging documents, W-1 claimed to have dropped off the cash and then headed to Chantilly. And that begs the question, why he would be headed to Chantilly without SS? I think it is possible he dropped off the cash--and stayed there.

JMO

He was at a hardware store in Chantilly between 11:30 am and noon.
http://localnews7.com/local-and-sta...-as-intruder-held-family-captive-h162074.html

 

[SpanishInquisition]

You could be right
Not going to waste time arguing about it as I simply don't know what he was told

Would love the link about the flurry of calls though.
It may help me to understand why so many feel he should have called

I have missed that part and it would change my mind in a hurry

The very last call that SS's cell phone made was to the driver and it was approximately 3 hours after the driver got the money, which makes people think either the driver stole some of it not knowing it was for a ransom with SS frantically trying to figure out why some was missing or that the driver was in on with DW and that it could have been DW calling the driver from SS's phone:

The documents show a flurry of phone calls among Savvas Savopoulos, a bank, an accountant, the personal assistant, a construction company executive and Savopoulos’s American Iron Works company in the hours before the fire. The calls started shortly after 7 a.m. May 14 and ended just before noon. The fire was reported at 1:15 p.m.

The assistant, who did not return messages left on his cellphone Wednesday, tried to call Savvas Savopoulos about 1:40 p.m. but got no answer, the police documents show. Savvas Savopoulos had called the assistant at 11:54 a.m. — the last incoming or outgoing call he made or answered before the fire.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...00af9e-ff07-11e4-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html

 

[corundogs]

And for what it's worth I'm still highly skeptical of his involvement so I am really not trying to read into this at all. It's just.... Weird. Too many weird things for this kid.


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

Did you see my post about him driving the Mosler??

 

[birpu]

You probably wouldn't want to burn the car if you wanted to send it overseas.

Of course not. I guess I was pointing out that they could be hooked up with a car stealing racket. And SpanishInquisition's link actually makes me think this even more. At first I didn't think you could get rid of a high-end car because of VIN's and all that. But apparently you can, and they do. And you'd need a private place to work on it. Stuff I never knew about!

 

[jjenny]

Of course not. I guess I was pointing out that they could be hooked up with a car stealing racket. And SpanishInquisition's link actually makes me think this even more. At first I didn't think you could get rid of a high-end car because of VIN's and all that. But apparently you can, and they do. And you'd need a private place to work on it. Stuff I never knew about!

I think it'd be way easier to just steal the car if getting the car was the goal here.

 

[corundogs]

I guess my question to some of y'all is this...

Where are you getting the idea that DDW is involved in something at intricate and involved as stealing high end cars to flip them - or whatever??

None of his past crimes lead me to believe anything like this. This isn't something that you just decide to do overnight. And people that actually do things like this are NOT just taking on a "new partner" without some major vetting. And I just don't see that here.

 

[FerrariRose]

I agree. That is not an accusation that the assistant/driver didn't answer those flurry of calls. Clearly, he answered the first ones, because he got the money to the house.

That was the plan all along; to get the money to the house. He couldn't keep it, because the AIW employee knew he had the money. After he dropped off the money he wasn't concerned with answering calls from SS.

 

[birpu]

I think it'd be way easier to just steal the car if getting the car was the goal here.

True. But you would also probably need a lot of cash to get it hidden, worked on, shipped - all that. There could be middlemen you have to pay.

 

[franker]

I just looked up how criminals disguise a car's identity. Check this out - just thought it was interesting with the burned Porsche, where it was abandoned, and the Amerifleet rolling garage - maybe a scheme to steal cars and turn them into something "legit" didn't work out as planned:

A recent bust of a VIN switching ring in Florida found that more than a thousand vehicles had been stolen and “doctored” to conceal their true identity.

Nor is it always possible to detect a VIN switch, with the result that a vehicle might change hands several times without any owner realizing their car is “hot.”

Often, the crime only comes to light when big-time car thieves are arrested and their activities are thoroughly investigated, or when two identical VINs are recorded in different states.

According to the NICB, the most common crime is known as the Salvage Switch. A badly damaged car is bought or acquired by a crook using a false name for the title. The vehicle is then officially listed as “salvaged” and the crook uses both the title and the VIN on a similar stolen car.

Another crime, though not really a case of VIN switching, is known as Strip and Run. This is a complex scam in which crooks steal a car and strip it of just about everything that’s removable.

The car is listed by police and insurers as “stolen” and therefore can’t be sold by the thieves.

So, they abandon what’s left — the frame, with its VIN — somewhere it can be found.

Once found by the police, it’s now considered by the authorities as “recovered” and is no longer listed as “stolen.” In other words, it’s a legit auto, just without its parts, and can be sold.

The car frame, its VIN and its title are then usually auctioned off by insurers or police, where — you guessed it — the crooks buy it back.

Then they reinstall all the pieces they removed and suddenly they have a complete, legally owned car, which they can sell.

http://www.scambusters.org/vinswitching.html

Usually when they inspect a car for a title transfer from out of state they look for the vin plate on the dash. These can be very simply altered to reflect whatever the title says the vin is.

There are several other places on a car where the vin is located but the local sheriff is not going to go crawling around to try to find and check these. At least on your run of the mill 4 door sedan.

Would more strenuous inspection be done on a 700K super-car? Quite possibly.

 

[corundogs]

That was the plan all along; to get the money to the house. He couldn't keep it, because the AIW employee knew he had the money. After he dropped off the money he wasn't concerned with answering calls from SS.

So now this other AIW employee is involved as well? Not sure I am following...

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Great TY

I had read that one
To me, it seems all about getting the money together
Thats sort of how I read it

Exactly, which if the money was together at the bank at 9 AM, why is the SS calling the driver at Noon unless the money wasn't together when it arrived at the house. If the driver supposedly dropped off the money hours previously, why call the driver hours after the driver did what he was supposed to.

 

[FerrariRose]

You said this in response to another poster, but I just happened to have linked in above post just now with photos two dogs walking out of the house (which was still a crime scene) so I did assume the narrative that the station did was correct that went with it when it said that neighbors took the dogs. Certainly wasn't two uniformed folks.

:dunno:

The Websleuther mentioned a blond woman walking 2 dogs. I assumed she meant this woman.

A woman walks her dogs past the fire-damaged multimillion-dollar home in northwest Washington home, Friday May 22, 2015, where 46-year-old Savvas Savopoulos...

 

[atthelake]

ITA. He unlocked the Porsche for DW to use and he mistakenly thought he unlocked the Mosler. I read somewhere that a neighbor saw the Porsche driving at a high rate of speed down the street outside the house on Wednesday. It's interesting that LE omitted the neighbor's statement from the charging documents.

I don't recall seeing high rate of speed on Wednesday, just the day of the killings/fire (assuming the media is stating both occurrences are on the same day.)

Anyone up for finding a link referencing Wednesday?


BUBM Are you stating that there were ALSO reports of such on Wednesday that have not hit the media, and the charging documents are referring only to the erratic on Thursday, but there was fast driving on Wednesday?

Authorities linked what may have been two different men to Amy Savopoulos' blue Porsche 911 the day of the killings. One, "with short, well-groomed hair," was spotted driving erratically away from the crime scene. Another, wearing a dark hoodie, was videotaped carrying a bucket near where the Porsche was set on fire later that day.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/05/d-c-mansion-murders-not-random-police-chief-says-suspect-remains-at-large-114135.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/266278174/Daron-Dylon-Wint-Charging-Documents Charging documents also say day of fire.