DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #5

[MyBelle]

My brother- in-law used to get cash every few weeks to go to CASH ONLY auctions to buy various equipment/trucks/scrap metal etc.
I can imagine that with SS's various businesses, he had times he needed access to cash as well. If he had large accounts with the bank, then he is legally allowed to withdraw some of it. It is his money. And the bank has to write a report when it is over 10k, but it can do so. And given the urgency of the situation, I am sure that SS explained it was vital that he be given some of his cash.

Banks don't do cash withdrawals of $10,000 over the telephone. For anybody. The only way Bank of America would do a cash withdrawal for SS was if he did the paperwork and submitted it before he phoned them on Thursday.

JMO

 

[bondno9]

Would a brother of DW have the same DNA marker as him, especially if they have the same mother/father? Wondering if this could be used to shed reasonable doubt by defense. Thanks

 

[rkf]

I don't think the newly hired driver, who was given specific instructions from his boss, is going to have the AIW accountant's phone number much less call him/her. He left the money inside a car inside the garage of the family home. He sees the cars are all there, everything seems fine, people are home and will certainly retrieve the money very soon He's been told not to ring the bell because: a) the boy is sick, b) my wife is sleeping c) I'm on a conference call d) all of the above. What could be wrong about giving SS his own money from his own business after a company exec hands it to him after a trip to BOA? So he follows instructions

I can see how W1 might not have thought it was weird, but he's the kind of guy who stops in the middle of an errand to set up a photo shoot with (some of) the loot. I think most of us would think it was very strange to be asked to drop of $40,000 in an *unlocked* car in the garage, never setting eyes on the person who ordered the drop, even though he appears to be in the house. Not even a wave while on the phone acknowledgement.

*unlocked* according to his second telling to LE

 

[rkf]

Would a brother of DW have the same DNA marker as him, especially if they have the same mother/father? Wondering if this could be used to shed reasonable doubt by defense. Thanks

It would share some characteristics, but would not be identical.

 

[gngr~snap]

Right here. Weirdo. I don't eat pizza.

There are at least 2 weirdos! I have never liked pizza. [emoji487]

 

[TexMex]

Banks don't do cash withdrawals of $10,000 over the telephone. For anybody. The only way Bank of America would do a cash withdrawal for SS was if he did the paperwork and submitted it before he phoned them on Thursday.

JMO

The bank is responsible for the paperwork. Apparently the company exec who went to the bank is able to sign on the accounts there and possibly access any safe deposit boxes AIW might have. The affidavit states the exec spoke with a banker and shortly thereafter reached in his pockets and handed four bundles of hundred dollar bills to W1

 

[katydid23]

BBM. Do you have a link because I don't believe this is true for any reason. If SS told the banker his life depended upon it, the banker would have a duty to notify LE. Cash withdrawals or wire transfers over $10,000 are monitored. That I know from my own experience.

JMO

I did not mean that he would tell them his life depended upon it. Just that SS would be totally motivated with the urgency and be able to come up with a valid reason that he needed the cash.

And I know that cash withdrawals over 10k are monitored. The bank needs to write a report but it does not mean it can't happen. It has drawbacks and brings IRS sniffing around but that was the least OF SS's worries.

I think SS had several accounts there. Various businesses, various family accounts, savings accounts, college funds. If he convinced the manager that he needed some liquidity the next day for a vital emergency, he would accommodate him. WHICH HE DID.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Would a brother of DW have the same DNA marker as him, especially if they have the same mother/father? Wondering if this could be used to shed reasonable doubt by defense. Thanks

Read this!! it's fascinating.

http://pix11.com/2014/07/22/manorville-man-arrested-in-two-cold-case-murders-of-women-police/

 

[TexMex]

All this talk about pizza made me hungry
#padrepizzeria

 

[katydid23]

Banks don't do cash withdrawals of $10,000 over the telephone. For anybody. The only way Bank of America would do a cash withdrawal for SS was if he did the paperwork and submitted it before he phoned them on Thursday.

JMO

I did not mean ONLY over the phone. He set it up by phone and sent his accountant who has legal ability to sign on the accounts.

I just reread my post. Where did I say you coud take out 10k by phone call?



Originally Posted by katydid23
My brother- in-law used to get cash every few weeks to go to CASH ONLY auctions to buy various equipment/trucks/scrap metal etc.
I can imagine that with SS's various businesses, he had times he needed access to cash as well. If he had large accounts with the bank, then he is legally allowed to withdraw some of it. It is his money. And the bank has to write a report when it is over 10k, but it can do so. And given the urgency of the situation, I am sure that SS explained it was vital that he be given some of his cash.

 

[MyBelle]

Karting was a great career path for these guys and Danica. From Wikipedia...

"Kart racing is usually used as a low-cost and relatively safe way to introduce drivers to motor racing. Many Formula One drivers grew up racing karts, most prominent among them, World Champions Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher, Alain Prost, Fernando Alonso, Kimi Räikkönen, Jenson Button, Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel. Many NASCAR drivers also got their start in racing from karts, such as Darrell Waltrip, Danica Patrick, Lake Speed, Ricky Rudd, Juan Pablo Montoya, Tony Stewart, and Jeff Gordon.

In August 2009, in anticipation to a possible return to F1 with Ferrari, Formula One world champion Michael Schumacher did some preparation driving a kart in Lonato, Italy.[20] Schumacher also raced at the SKUSA SuperNationals, an event taking place each year in Las Vegas, along with F1 drivers Sébastien Buemi and Nelson Piquet, Jr..[21] Felipe Massa also used karting in September 2009 to test his condition in Brazil, two months after his Hungarian Grand Prix accident during qualifying.[22]"

It says the Pros raced go-karts as kids, not worked for the track as an adult. W-1 worked for the track and had delusions of grandeur if he really believed transporting a rich guy's 10-year-old would lead to a gig on a real race car team.

JMO

 

[emmavoberry]

From what I have read NG was a loyal and trusted employee for twenty years of this family. And there has been nothing reported of her history indicating any shadiness whatsoever. Talking to news reporters about a terrible event that is traumatizing because of one's closeness to it does not go to supporting that NG is in any way involved. I believe the various Ws are those who were in the loop about the money--probably an accountant, the driver/money deliverer, and the person who went to the bank to withdraw the money, among any others. I think the driver/assistant's lies are suspect and that his car/money obsessions make him much more likely to have been involved in anything nefarious than the housekeeper whose loyalty was proved at least a few times a week over a long period of time while the driver had only worked for SS a short time, was fired from one position, and has proven he is not credible with his lies before we are out the gate. 40K? No. That "box truck" was a rolling garage. The most likely person to be able to get rid of a very expensive car would be the driver (and it is reported the family has not had any contact with him since the time of the crime). JMO

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I don't think the newly hired driver, who was given specific instructions from his boss, is going to have the AIW accountant's phone number much less call him/her. He left the money inside a car inside the garage of the family home. He sees the cars are all there, everything seems fine, people are home and will certainly retrieve the money very soon He's been told not to ring the bell because: a) the boy is sick, b) my wife is sleeping c) I'm on a conference call d) all of the above. What could be wrong about giving SS his own money from his own business after a company exec hands it to him after a trip to BOA? So he follows instructions

Not that it's wrong, just if something was up or something happened, it would fall squarely on the driver even if the driver did nothing wrong. If you left $40K unattended anywhere and something happened to that unattended money or the recipient of that money said something happened to that money even if it didn't, you'd be in seriously bad shape. Over and above any random burglar who could have gotten in the same way W1 may have gotten in due to poor security, there's any number of other domestics going in and around that house that could steal that money with SS only knowing you were the last one to have it.

 

[popsicle]

Would a brother of DW have the same DNA marker as him, especially if they have the same mother/father? Wondering if this could be used to shed reasonable doubt by defense. Thanks

Only if they are identical twins.

 

[radiator]

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The Porsche 911, driven by SS on Wednesday, was probably still parked out front. This makes it extraordinarily odd that SS would want W-1 to put the cash in the Mosler instead of ringing the front doorbell. Because, by all appearances, SS was in the house.

Can you link the BBM?

I think W1 was used as a courier because he was a new employee, familiar with the house and being an assistant this was part of his job. jmo I don't think he was necessarily in the best position to have sensed something was wrong here... so many red flags were thrown out by SS. Dumping this on him is just BS. imo

I'm not sure what the significance is but here's a link that says the Porsche was parked on the street that morning. I don't think there's been any evidence of who drove it on Wednesday (SS, AS, DW, W-1?)

Bernardo Alfaro, the husband of the slain housekeeper, told CNN affiliate WJLA that Veralicia Figueroa never came home the night of May 13, a day before the fire. When he went to the Savopoulos home the following morning, he said Savopoulos&#8217; blue Porsche was parked on the street and he immediately knew something was wrong, according to WJLA.


http://wtvr.com/2015/05/21/source-pizza-crust-led-d-c-police-to-name-suspect-in-quadruple-homicide/

 

[jd dickinson]

I don't think the newly hired driver, who was given specific instructions from his boss, is going to have the AIW accountant's phone number much less call him/her. He left the money inside a car inside the garage of the family home. He sees the cars are all there, everything seems fine, people are home and will certainly retrieve the money very soon He's been told not to ring the bell because: a) the boy is sick, b) my wife is sleeping c) I'm on a conference call d) all of the above. What could be wrong about giving SS his own money from his own business after a company exec hands it to him after a trip to BOA? So he follows instructions

Ouch. You got me with the conference call. That's actually a really good reason. I can practically hear SS saying, "I'm going into a conference call in 5 minutes, so I won't be able to meet you in person. Just put the cash in the driver's seat of the Mosler, and I'll pick it up when I'm off the call."

The old "upcoming conference call" is a great way to cut anything short. No one questions it.

Even so, I would still be turning over the question as to why SS wanted $40K in cash in such a hurry, first thing in the morning. "What's so urgent and needs $40K cash?" I still can't come up with a plausible reason. Can you?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

The bank is responsible for the paperwork. Apparently the company exec who went to the bank is able to sign on the accounts there and possibly access any safe deposit boxes AIW might have. The affidavit states the exec spoke with a banker and shortly thereafter reached in his pockets and handed W1 four bundles of hundred dollar bills to W1

I believe MB is talking about bank policy rather than bank regulations

 

[franker]

Or Ginger, the Labrador Retriever attack dog... :laughing:

There is a reason why nobody names their Pit Bull "Fluffy".

 

[cujenn81]

“The evidence is circumstantial and almost unbelievable,” says Ficker. “[Wint’s family] told me, interestingly, that he doesn’t like pizza and never eats pizza.”

http://wtop.com/dc/2015/05/daron-wints-family-doesnt-believe-he-is-guilty-of-d-c-murder-arson/

This guy... REALLY? He's just grasping at straws now with that ridiculous statement.




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[TexMex]

Not that it's wrong, just if something was up or something happened, it would fall squarely on the driver even if the driver did nothing wrong. If you left $40K unattended anywhere and something happened to that unattended money or the recipient of that money said something happened to that money even if it didn't, you'd be in seriously bad shape. Over and above any random burglar who could have gotten in the same way W1 may have gotten in due to poor security, there's any number of other domestics going in and around that house that could steal that money with SS only knowing you were the last one to have it.

Very true. However, he spoke with SS ten minutes prior. IMO he felt safe in leaving the cash there. Boss was preoccupied at the moment but knew the money would be on the seat of the red car in the garage in ten minutes so he'd get it then.