DC/VA - Light plane crashes after chase by jet fighters in Washington area, 4 June 2023

[Gardenista]

Thank you for the info.


Even though there have been many reports that this (Virginia) crash involved cabin de-pressurization (and I posted a video about that possibility)... I've also heard/seen others that suggest maybe not. Interesting and sad... whatever the outcome here.

What makes me think it was not a pilot medical event is that the passengers would have seen him slumped over and could have contacted someone on the radio. I've wondered if they could have been sleeping, but since they are saying it happened around 15 minutes into the flight, I don't feel like they would have fallen asleep so quickly.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

What makes me think it was not a pilot medical event is that the passengers would have seen him slumped over and could have contacted someone on the radio. I've wondered if they could have been sleeping, but since they are saying it happened around 15 minutes into the flight, I don't feel like they would have fallen asleep so quickly.

But as @Damarma said above, hypoxia comes so quickly...the passengers may have even been struck before the pilot. I just hope so much that they all experienced "nothing".

 

[fred&edna]

What makes me think it was not a pilot medical event is that the passengers would have seen him slumped over and could have contacted someone on the radio. I've wondered if they could have been sleeping, but since they are saying it happened around 15 minutes into the flight, I don't feel like they would have fallen asleep so quickly.

I agree. I feel cabin pressure is the likely the cause. The only thing that might hinder the passengers' view of the pilot would be some type of closed door between the two areas... which I can't imagine exists in this type of aircraft. jmo (and I'm no pilot)

 

[Gardenista]

I agree. I feel cabin pressure is the likely the cause. The only thing that might hinder the passengers' view of the pilot would be some type of closed door between the two areas... which I can't imagine exists in this type of aircraft. jmo (and I'm no pilot)

I've looked at some of them here and (so far) haven't found one with a door

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[Sundog]

A sudden depressurization can sucks the air out of lungs. If this happened, there may have been no time to react.

The NTSB says you have about 15 seconds to react to depressurization - you have that 15 seconds to put on your oxygen masks. In the documentary posted above, the NTSB concluded that the checklist that pilots follow gives some instrumental instructions in the event of depressurization, and at the end of the list of instrumental instructions, it says to put on your oxygen mask. For the pilot and co-pilot in the Payne Stewart case, that was too late. So as a result of that incident, the checklists for private airplanes were changed, not just for Lear jets, but other private plane manufacturers changed them as well. Now the checklist starts with putting on your oxygen mask, and then taking the next steps.


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[Gardenista]

Don't think this has been posted

Jeff Hefner, pilot of doomed ‘ghost plane’ crash in Virginia, was known as ‘Mr. Safety’

The pilot who flew the “ghost plane” that crashed in rural Virginia, killing four, had more than 40 years of experience in the skies and was known as “Mr. Safety,” his famil…

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[vls12345]

Cockpit voice recorder still missing in deadly Montebello plane crash: NTSB

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has released its Investigation Preliminary Report after a plane crashed into the mountains near Montebello.

wset.com

Preliminary report shows timeline leading up to deadly Virginia plane crash

Just over two weeks after a Cessna Citation 560 jet crashed into the Shenandoah Valley, instantly killing four people on board, the National Transportation Safety Board has released a preliminary r…

www.wric.com

 

[iamshadow21]

Cockpit voice recorder still missing in deadly Montebello plane crash: NTSB

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has released its Investigation Preliminary Report after a plane crashed into the mountains near Montebello.

wset.com

Preliminary report shows timeline leading up to deadly Virginia plane crash

Just over two weeks after a Cessna Citation 560 jet crashed into the Shenandoah Valley, instantly killing four people on board, the National Transportation Safety Board has released a preliminary r…

www.wric.com

It really did happen very quickly, as speculated. The pilot responded at 1:25. At 1:28, he did not respond.

MOO

 

[LadyL]

Cockpit voice recorder still missing in deadly Montebello plane crash: NTSB

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has released its Investigation Preliminary Report after a plane crashed into the mountains near Montebello.

wset.com

Preliminary report shows timeline leading up to deadly Virginia plane crash

Just over two weeks after a Cessna Citation 560 jet crashed into the Shenandoah Valley, instantly killing four people on board, the National Transportation Safety Board has released a preliminary r…

www.wric.com

While the exact cause of the crash is still unknown, one leading theory is that hypoxia — a condition that occurs when the brain is deprived of adequate oxygen — could have impacted the pilot, causing him to become unconscious.

would the passengers have been unconscious too? I hope so ... hope that they weren't conscious knowing they were about to die ...

 

[iamshadow21]

While the exact cause of the crash is still unknown, one leading theory is that hypoxia — a condition that occurs when the brain is deprived of adequate oxygen — could have impacted the pilot, causing him to become unconscious.

would the passengers have been unconscious too? I hope so ... hope that they weren't conscious knowing they were about to die ...

Everyone would have become unconscious in probably under a minute, if what I read when this case first broke is anything to go by. (I think I was reading the findings of the investigation of another incident that was very similar on wikipedia. It was another 'ghost flight' which flew until the plane ran out of fuel.)

MOO

 

[LadyL]

Everyone would have become unconscious in probably under a minute, if what I read when this case first broke is anything to go by. (I think I was reading the findings of the investigation of another incident that was very similar on wikipedia. It was another 'ghost flight' which flew until the plane ran out of fuel.)

MOO

Thank you that would be somewhat comforting for their families hopefully. I think I read about that one too.

 

[iamshadow21]

An unresponsive jet that crashed after flying over Washington had dozens of unresolved maintenance issues, NTSB report says | CNN

A business jet that flew over Washington with no response from the pilot – ,prompting a chase by F-16s which caused a sonic boom – likely lost pressure, causing everyone onboard to pass out, according to the final report from the National Transportation Safety Board.

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