Dear LE

[SouthEastSleuth]

I am surprised you take exception with my post and none other on this thread. :waitasec:

Clearly most all of us are frustrated.

Many a murder go unsolved and I'm feeling this one is headed in that general direction. I feel like this is being pushed under the rug. No exposure, no coverage, no news in months, and an awful long time without any arrests. What the heck is taking so long?
It's not like they need to wait for dna testing or a body to wash up from the ocean.
They have the body.
They have info.
They have enough motive.

What else do they need?

IMO, there's certainly a difference in expressing frustrations over a particular case, versus speculating if "LE even solves murders in Durham."

Like you, I do wonder about all the seemingly obvious things in this case, i.e., a body, a motive, etc. But I for one am not about to suggest that I know more than trained professionals. When you say "they have info," the reality is, we have no factual idea WHAT LE has or doesn't have for that matter.

I totally agree though PFM, the wait is excrutiating at times, especially when it seems so clear, etc. But again, to question the integrity of a police department, based on personal frustrations just seems unfair to me. But again, perhaps living in Durham County, I'm baised, and like to think that my law enforcement agencies are top notch and know exactly what they are doing.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

IMO, there's certainly a difference in expressing frustrations over a particular case, versus speculating if "LE even solves murders in Durham."

Like you, I do wonder about all the seemingly obvious things in this case, i.e., a body, a motive, etc. But I for one am not about to suggest that I know more than trained professionals. When you say "they have info," the reality is, we have no factual idea WHAT LE has or doesn't have for that matter.

I totally agree though PFM, the wait is excrutiating at times, especially when it seems so clear, etc. But again, to question the integrity of a police department, based on personal frustrations just seems unfair to me. But again, perhaps living in Durham County, I'm baised, and like to think that my law enforcement agencies are top notch and know exactly what they are doing.

Just to once again point out, I think pretty much every post on this thread is implying that Durham LE -- and no other LE -- is dragging their feet with this case.
But I am not going to argue with you because we are both allowed our opinions, and if you choose to allow my post to offend you out of all the others in this particular forum, that is your choice.

I feel I am one of the posters here who was instrumental in putting a lot of my time and heart into case from the first day this forum for Janet began and I'll certainly air my frustrations with Durham LE because I feel they are seriously behind in solving this case.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I am surprised you take exception with my post and none other on this thread. :waitasec:

Clearly most all of us are frustrated.

Many a murder go unsolved and I'm feeling this one is headed in that general direction. I feel like this is being pushed under the rug. No exposure, no coverage, no news in months, and an awful long time without any arrests. What the heck is taking so long?
It's not like they need to wait for dna testing or a body to wash up from the ocean.
They have the body.
They have info.
They have enough motive.

What else do they need?

I thought your post was funny PFM...but maybe it wasn't meant to be

I agree with you though. LE has all their information that first night and have had 7 months to process it. And now the rumor that raven isn't even contacting them regarding the case!

SES we all would like to believe that LE knows what they are doing and has everything under control and you are right, we don't have all the answers, but what we do know, it's a no-brainer.....imagine if we had MORE information?? And maybe that is the problem, maybe some of the information they have doesn't point to raven as the suspect and they are trying to figure it all out. However, in that scenario, I don't see why they don't use the media for help. Maybe somebody saw something that night.....saw somebody throw something out a window into a lake or saw someone taking a walk late at night?? Who knows? AND then we've read about all the murders and crime in Durham. Maybe this case is on the back burner while they investigate others. I just think if they had the evidence, raven would have been arrested by now.

I've been following numerous crimes and have noticed that many family members have expressed their gratefulness to LE for keeping them informed (many of them on a daily basis). What is Durham LE doing? You heard a rumor that they aren't communicating with raven. If they aren't keeping Janet's family informed daily, then I think they've botched the case and don't want anybody to know. Janet's family is quiet to the media so maybe LE is talking to them and they are content with the investigation? I can only hope that they are at peace with LE.

 

[terminatrixator]

Well, since I started this thread, and I like to give timely reminders to LE, I think I'm going to jump in here and break this party up.

My tick, tock, tick, tock, in no way means I do NOT have faith in LE. In fact, their methodical way of handling things is something I appreciate. I do not want a double jeopardy, and I would rather they take their time and do it right, and not have any issues upon appeal. PFM you been around long enough to know that CE is really something not to be played with and everything needs to be dotted and crossed.

SES, I'm sure that your Durham, LE will get the job done and will make you and the other residents of Durham proud.

I think having the family or friends of Janet witness people that seemingly care about Janet's murder, going at it, or losing faith in LE isn't going to help them out any.

Let's take our frustration out on the person that is responsible for this crime, instead of throwing barbs at LE and taking out our frustration on each other.

LE, I have faith in you, just get the job done right.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

I thought your post was funny PFM...but maybe it wasn't meant to be

I agree with you though. LE has all their information that first night and have had 7 months to process it. And now the rumor that raven isn't even contacting them regarding the case!

SES we all would like to believe that LE knows what they are doing and has everything under control and you are right, we don't have all the answers, but what we do know, it's a no-brainer.....imagine if we had MORE information?? And maybe that is the problem, maybe some of the information they have doesn't point to raven as the suspect and they are trying to figure it all out. However, in that scenario, I don't see why they don't use the media for help. Maybe somebody saw something that night.....saw somebody throw something out a window into a lake or saw someone taking a walk late at night?? Who knows? AND then we've read about all the murders and crime in Durham. Maybe this case is on the back burner while they investigate others. I just think if they had the evidence, raven would have been arrested by now.

I've been following numerous crimes and have noticed that many family members have expressed their gratefulness to LE for keeping them informed (many of them on a daily basis). What is Durham LE doing? You heard a rumor that they aren't communicating with raven. If they aren't keeping Janet's family informed daily, then I think they've botched the case and don't want anybody to know. Janet's family is quiet to the media so maybe LE is talking to them and they are content with the investigation? I can only hope that they are at peace with LE.

Well thank you ... originally I meant my post tongue in cheek due to my frustrations much like many others have, but then I was a tad bit offended that my post of all posts was singled out ... It's not like I started threads in here ripping on LE all the time. But whatever, no bg deal.

I really am not a trouble maker though and I had been posting here for Janet for a long time ago with only the best of intentions. I left this particular board a while ago frustrated with the lack of coverage & news, and I don't want to be here again to get in a ruckus over a miscommunication over posts and certainly not over LE. I was always here for justice for Janet and her family, not petty LE disagreements.

I'll come back in time ...
Happy holidays everyone.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

You heard a rumor that they aren't communicating with raven. If they aren't keeping Janet's family informed daily, then I think they've botched the case and don't want anybody to know

Actually, the rumor is that Raven isn't communicating with LE. That changes the implications, BIG-TIME.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

What is Durham LE doing? You heard a rumor that they aren't communicating with raven. If they aren't keeping Janet's family informed daily, then I think they've botched the case and don't want anybody to know.

Well, IMO, it doesn't sound like there was a whole lot to botch. But perhaps.

I don't think that LE would need to be in contact with Janet's family daily to be doing a good job on this case. If all they're doing is waiting on forensics (for example), there would be no reason for them to touch base with her family every day. Especially if they might all know what they're waiting for and who they're going after.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

We are all aware of who's who here, and PFM and SES are both wonderful posters with lots of insight and hearts of gold. Let's try to put this little misunderstanding behind us, and stick together in the common goal of awaiting justice for Janet, her baby, and those she left behind.

PFM, I was happy to see you back, and hope you will return again sooner rather than later.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

I know we are all on the same page here....wanting justice for Janet's murder and no offense to you SES about your LE being lame :blowkiss:

PFM: You are awesome and have been with this case since day 1....stay with us!

I, in no way, wanted to imply that if LE isn't talking to Janet's family daily they aren't doing their job. What I was saying was if Janet's family wants to be updated daily or on a regular basis and isn't receiving that from LE, then there is a problem. I, personally, believe that LE should be informing and updating the victim's family constantly. You can see all of our frustration as non family....can you imagine what it is like for the family? If LE isn't communicating with raven, there is obviously a reason (maybe he's the POI)....but if LE isn't communicating with Janet's family either, then I see a problem with LE. There is a reason they are silent...I'm just wondering what the true reason is for their silence???:waitasec:

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

... but if LE isn't communicating with Janet's family either, then I see a problem with LE. There is a reason they are silent...I'm just wondering what the true reason is for their silence???:waitasec:

I understand and agree with your points. However, let's remember that we don't know that LE is being silent. For all we know, they might be calling a representative in Janet's family monthly, or weekly, or even daily. It's a variable of which we are just not aware and therefore we cannot effectively speculate.

 

[Moxie]

I understand and agree with your points. However, let's remember that we don't know that LE is being silent. For all we know, they might be calling a representative in Janet's family monthly, or weekly, or even daily. It's a variable of which we are just not aware and therefore we cannot effectively speculate.

This is true, we don't know what they know or don't know. But we can continue working for Justice For Janet, and if our efforts in any way help LE, then our efforts are worthwhile.

 

[Justice4Jack]

Being the sister of a Durham resident, murdered in May of 2005, I can tell you personally that LE does NOT care!!!! I have contacted EVERY public official to obtain information, and to have an investigation...
And guess what I got from LE?! NOTHING!!!! For over a year the sheriff's department refused to send us any reports at all that we requested under the FOIA. Then, when I received a single "confidential," report from one detective 2 months ago, it was full of lies, hearsay, and admitting certain things he did that are by far unethical and criminal!!! I am on their butts, and will not give up until his murderer is caught!!
The treatment we have received from LE has been rude, far from helpful, and botched unbelievably!!!!
I was told by Sheriff Hill's staff to quit calling about his case, or I would be charged with harassment!!!!! Just for trying to find out the GSR test results, and to obtain the police reports, and other information that we asked for!!!
IMO, they are inept, corrupt, and lazy!!! Not to mention, thinking they are above reproach and not responsible for their actions!!!!!
I have even been blacklisted from the county website after trying to make an Internal Affair request!!! They have my ISP number, and have it set to send my e-mails back to me!!!
There may be some good cops out there, but the system itself is a disgrace!!!!!! They are more worried about protecting rich punks in a rape, than to solve murders of it's citizens!!! Janet and my brother DESERVE to have their cases investigated, and solved!!!!!
I KNOW they are also watching my posts, and I don't care!!!! Maybe if they had done their jobs in the first place, we wouldn't be here looking for help, answers, and resolution!!!!!!
Whatever happened to the oath they took to "Protect and Serve?!"
What has become of our rights as, "We the People?!"
When are WE treated with respect, and given our rights?!
What has become of JUSTICE?!?!?!?!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Careful, those "rich punks" have not been tried yet and therefore have not been found guilty. In fact, there is lots of doubt regarding the charges against those young men.

Otherwise, I'm on your side, J4J. I hope that you can find resolution, with or without Durham's LE.

 

[Justice4Jack]

Thanks JG! It is just a crying shame that more attention is given to a rape case, than to investigate murders! It is completely ALL about politics, and CYOA! When all is said and done, I hope to also have the LE involved charged on several accounts...
I am not apathetic to LE right now, we have been treated like we are the criminals!!! Not to mention being unethical, and threatening me with possible charges!!!! I have in no way harrassed them, I don't think one call once every month or so counts as harrassment!!!!
And if that is what it takes to draw attention to his, and Janet's case, I would gladly be arrested, if that is what it takes to get help from the media, and them!!!!!
WE the families are ENTITLED to information, yet we are denied!!!!!
These people have nobody to care for what has happened to them, and they are dead!!!! They deserve to be given their rights to due process of law!!!! And for accountability of LE's actions as officers of the law!!!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Seeing as how some of the politics have been working in Durham in recent months, I don't think that you're far off in your interpretation of what's going on there. I'm so sorry that you are going through this stress.

 

[Justice4Jack]

Awwww, Thank you sweety!!! The truly sad part is that it is rampant in EVERY state, which is why I plan to have a law passed to help change things so that this needless suffering ends!!!!
FAMILY should have the right to know EVERYTHING when a loved one is found dead, for whatever reason!!!!!
The secrecy is just to hide incompetence, and LE should be held accountable for their actions!!!
Had protocol been adhered to, I would not be here now seeking help for what should have been done, and wasn't, I would instead have peace knowing his murderer was caught and punished.....
So much for "And Justice For All!".......


May God bless all those who also are in agony, have faith that he is with you each step of the way, and our loved ones are in a far better place, just waiting to be united forever.....

 

[LTUlegal]

We can be diligent but also, we must be patient. It is truly a fine line to walk, but the cases of Janet and also Jack can and will be solved.

 

[Justice4Jack]

I know they will be LTU! With all of the prayers and diligent work of families, us, and "GOOD," LE, the truth shall come to light!
I think it is ironic Janet and my brother was murdered within a matter of a couple weeks of each other.....I am finally getting the help I begged for, and the LE involved will also be punished!!!!
Michael Peterson, and the Duke rape, will soon have another media explosion, only this time there will be 2 more voices to be remembered!!!!
I will NOT let mine go unheard, and will remember Janet when the u know what hits the fan!!!!
I want the WORLD to know, and for our laws to be changed!!!!!
Words are nothing without ACTION, and I am passionate about my quest!!!!!

They may be dead in the flesh, but their memories will forever be in our hearts, minds, and souls!!!!!


As God is my witness, with his hand and guidance, I will give my word for truth and justice for ALL!!!!

May God Bless ALL who suffer and mourn,
peace shall be yours!!!!!

Love,
Rhonda


In Loving Memory
Address:http://community-2.webtv.net/RhondaFleming/InLovingMemory/

 

[terminatrixator]

Good Luck to you, Rhonda in your quest for Justice. Are you dealing with Durham Police Department or their Sheriff's Department?

I've actually contacted Durham Police Department myself and it seemed to me that they care about Justice for Janet and did some research on the LE involved in the case and they seemed to be good men and women in that Department. I thought I saw you mention the Sheriff's Department and don't know much about their Sheriff Department though.

I wish you all the luck that there will be Justice for Jack.

 

[Justice4Jack]

Bless you Term!
The Durham PD did not do the investigation???? If that is what they want to call it, the Sheriff's Deptartment "handled," it.......They said my brothers case is considered CLOSED, he killed himself, deal with it, and click......
They hang up on me, and was told not to speak to me by a Major Zastrow....Also, the Sheriff's legal advisor Cecily Smith...
I know this for fact, because in the "report," we received after a year, by another detective on the case, admitted it.....
Miss Smith just refuses to take my calls......And, I was threatened by a high ranking officer, that if I did not stop calling, "I," would be charged with harrassment!!!!
How pathetic is that?!?!?!?!

So, to answer your question........No! My mother and I have been treated like we are the criminals, and they are just covering their own butts!!!!!!

By the way, the GSR results came back negative on his hands....
I only found this out by reaching a higher authority putting pressure on the Medical Examiner....The Sheriff's office has NEVER answered our questions, or about tests being done, and in his case, not done.....

When this finally hits the fan, I promise NOT to forget Janet, and draw media attention to the lack of concern of their deaths!!!!

Heads are rolling in Durham, and I will be pleased when justice is rendered, it won't be much longer.....

Please remember us in your prayers!


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