Death Penalty Vs Life in Prison and Why

do you want Casey to get the death penalty?

  • yes

    Votes: 106 59.2%
  • no

    Votes: 73 40.8%

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    179
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Quoting from the beginning of this thread, a few years ago, I agree with this post. Someone asked me recently whether I would vote for death or life. I would vote for life.

My feelings like many are complicated. I believe that some people deserve to die. I do believe that. I just don't believe that the government should make that decision except in cases of war, for the most part. Or other situations like, for example, the case of Osama bin Laden.

We are the only western civilized, first world democracy, to continue using the death penalty. England, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Holland, Norway, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, France, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Portugal, Greece, none of them use the death penalty. Only we do and in that, we are comparable to Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc.

We also have very high per capita homicide rates compared to the countries that do not use the death penalty: The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. There were 17,034 murders in the United States in 2006[28] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[29] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#International_comparison

My point is that I do not believe it is a deterrent.

I also have a real problem with the fact that historically, more minorities, especially black people, have been sentenced to death and that the innocence project has found that many black people sentenced to death are actually innocent. I think that there remains a subconscious attitude
in a large portion of our population that black people are savage animals that are more capable of crime than others and the thought of one person being put to death who didn't commit the crime they were convicted of, makes me sick, especially if the judgment was partially based on race.

I find the death penalty to be a gruesome, methodical form of killing that is somewhat barbaric. That being said, if I was on a jury for joseph duncan or ted bundy, etc., I would set aside my philosophical beliefs and vote for death, as contradictory as it sounds. I guess that is because I do believe that some people deserve to die and I would hypocritically go against my aversion to a state-sponsored death penalty, using it to "punish" the worst of the worst.

I suppose I feel that if we are to use it, it should be used only for the worst of the worst, i.e., torture killers, serial killers, thrill killers, etc. People who enjoy killing and causing suffering.

Is that casey? Not IMO. I would be satisfied with life in prison. I do think she is a danger to society. She is a dog gone bad and will never be rehabilitated. We should be protected from her.

I also agree, sadly, that she will likely adapt to prison and work the system, which infuriates me to no end. But regardless of that, such sociopathic, adaptive criminals still are prohibited from the daily pleasures of life like a nice shower whenever you want it, soft toilet paper, sunshine, the beach, a glass of orange juice in the middle of the night, a private place to use the toilet, comfy jammies, a soft pillow and comforter, good, healthy and tasty food, going to the movies, having a glass of wine or a beer, etc. Sociopathic killers like casey and scott peterson dream about those things and long for freedom as a result, and that is consolation to me.

Finally, I do not believe she will be sentenced to death. It is very rare for a woman to be so sentenced in our country and the ones that have have been serial killers or black widows, for the most part. Mothers who are young and kill their small child, well I don't know of one in recent times who has been so sentenced. But, I am happy that we are to have a death qualified jury because they will be more likely to find casey guilty of first degree murder. :twocents:

I loved your post. I have had these same conversations with myself the past few days and agree with you 100%. Thanks for saying it so well. I've also thought how it would weigh on my conscience to be responsible for some one else's death. Osama or Bundy types I could deal with, but with the dog gone bad likes ICA, I don't think I could vote for death. I think she will be found guilty, but get a sentence of LWOP.
 
Diane Downs, shortly before being sentenced to life in prison for the attempted murder of two of her babies and for the murder of one:

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Diane Downs now, looking like "a woman older than her actual years, white hair and sunken features, nearly unrecognizable from the bombshell blonde who once flounced unashamed past television news cameras in handcuffs and shackles." http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/12/in_prison_elizabeth_diane_down.html :

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The article I cited shows she has not changed. She is still the narcissistic and remorseless monster she was back then, but boy oh boy, prison has not been good to her. And that gives me some satisfaction.

Holy crap, she looks terrible!! Well, that does give me a bit of hope if ICA gets LWOP. I think LWOP is probably going to be the sentence ICA gets. Thanks, gitana.
 
I think she DESERVES the DP. She did the unthinkable when she killed Caylee. The DP was created for people like Casey!
 
Quoting from the beginning of this thread, a few years ago, I agree with this post. Someone asked me recently whether I would vote for death or life. I would vote for life.

My feelings like many are complicated. I believe that some people deserve to die. I do believe that. I just don't believe that the government should make that decision except in cases of war, for the most part. Or other situations like, for example, the case of Osama bin Laden.

We are the only western civilized, first world democracy, to continue using the death penalty. England, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Holland, Norway, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, France, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Belgium, Portugal, Greece, none of them use the death penalty. Only we do and in that, we are comparable to Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc.

We also have very high per capita homicide rates compared to the countries that do not use the death penalty: The US homicide rate, which has declined substantially since 1991, is still among the highest in the industrialized world. There were 17,034 murders in the United States in 2006[28] (666,160 murders from 1960 to 1996).[29] In 2004, there were 5.5 homicides for every 100,000 persons, roughly three times as high as Canada (1.9) and six times as high as Germany (0.9). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#International_comparison

My point is that I do not believe it is a deterrent.

I also have a real problem with the fact that historically, more minorities, especially black people, have been sentenced to death and that the innocence project has found that many black people sentenced to death are actually innocent. I think that there remains a subconscious attitude
in a large portion of our population that black people are savage animals that are more capable of crime than others and the thought of one person being put to death who didn't commit the crime they were convicted of, makes me sick, especially if the judgment was partially based on race.

I find the death penalty to be a gruesome, methodical form of killing that is somewhat barbaric. That being said, if I was on a jury for joseph duncan or ted bundy, etc., I would set aside my philosophical beliefs and vote for death, as contradictory as it sounds. I guess that is because I do believe that some people deserve to die and I would hypocritically go against my aversion to a state-sponsored death penalty, using it to "punish" the worst of the worst.

I suppose I feel that if we are to use it, it should be used only for the worst of the worst, i.e., torture killers, serial killers, thrill killers, etc. People who enjoy killing and causing suffering.

Is that casey? Not IMO. I would be satisfied with life in prison. I do think she is a danger to society. She is a dog gone bad and will never be rehabilitated. We should be protected from her.

I also agree, sadly, that she will likely adapt to prison and work the system, which infuriates me to no end. But regardless of that, such sociopathic, adaptive criminals still are prohibited from the daily pleasures of life like a nice shower whenever you want it, soft toilet paper, sunshine, the beach, a glass of orange juice in the middle of the night, a private place to use the toilet, comfy jammies, a soft pillow and comforter, good, healthy and tasty food, going to the movies, having a glass of wine or a beer, etc. Sociopathic killers like casey and scott peterson dream about those things and long for freedom as a result, and that is consolation to me.

Finally, I do not believe she will be sentenced to death. It is very rare for a woman to be so sentenced in our country and the ones that have have been serial killers or black widows, for the most part. Mothers who are young and kill their small child, well I don't know of one in recent times who has been so sentenced. But, I am happy that we are to have a death qualified jury because they will be more likely to find casey guilty of first degree murder. :twocents:

BBM- I agree with 99% of your post and you say it all very well as it aligns well with my own feelings- with the exception that it isn't a deterrent. It is in the sense that the one's being sentenced to death will in fact, never kill again- hence making it a deterrent in their particular case.
I found this quote- Just food for thought.

"If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call."
John McAdams - Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence


I am rabid about this DP in cases such as those you mention- I do not believe it applies to cases like the one we are watching now. It is random, arbitrarily applied and therefore making it 'unfair' seeing as our prisons are full of Casey Anthony's and worse, who never faced this sentence.

In terms of her not suffering/ or adapting while being sentenced to LWOP- this is true. Because of her (what I believe to be personality disorder(s), she is very adaptable and will most likely even thrive in prison. BUT- she will never, ever be able to repeat this crime again. She will not be a threat to others inside because her victim(s) was helpless and personal to her. She may con others in prison, but she won't hurt them, physically. She's a coward- not a tough girl.
She'll be like Pamela Smart and end up teaching or leading some self help group. She'll have a whole new persona designed before she ever hits the big house- and a plan B if that doesn't work well.
 
Holy crap, she looks terrible!! Well, that does give me a bit of hope if ICA gets LWOP. I think LWOP is probably going to be the sentence ICA gets. Thanks, gitana.

This woman was never a bombshell, but she most certainly deserved the death penalty.
 
This woman was never a bombshell, but she most certainly deserved the death penalty.

I agree. It drives me mad when someone is sitting on trial, they seem to always be described as handsome or pretty.....Ted Bundy: Handsome, charming, charismatic, etc. Dean Philip Carter; handsome, charming, etc... Richard Rameriz- the same and on and on. All were very ugly men- IMO.
Diane Downs was/is ugly. Bad teeth, bad skin, terrible figure, and scraggly hair. She was cheap and easy- that's about it.

It makes for a more interesting news article to hype them up. These are just ugly people inside and out.
 
I don't care that several other woman killed and they did not get the DP.

THIS is a Child we are talking about, Casey is NOT like all the other women who kill their children.

I've NEVER heard of a "mother" in any other case wait for 31 days to report their child missing ( in this case it was the grandmother of the child)
I've NEVER heard of a "mother" going out at clubs wearing skimpy outfits partying without a care in the world etc.

Just the fact that she did kill a child is warrant for the DP. PERIOD.
 
If someone would kill their own sweet 2 yr old, I have little doubt they would murder me if they felt they had a reason. More so if they got away with it once.
 
I hate too when they say they are sick, I wish they would just say evil.
 
I agree. It drives me mad when someone is sitting on trial, they seem to always be described as handsome or pretty.....Ted Bundy: Handsome, charming, charismatic, etc. Dean Philip Carter; handsome, charming, etc... Richard Rameriz- the same and on and on. All were very ugly men- IMO.
Diane Downs was/is ugly. Bad teeth, bad skin, terrible figure, and scraggly hair. She was cheap and easy- that's about it.

It makes for a more interesting news article to hype them up. These are just ugly people inside and out.

Actually, Ted Bundy was handsome.
 
I don't think this is a death penalty case. Too many mitigating circumstances. IMO.
 
I personally think Judge Perry WILL sentence Casey to Death.

for once I would like for her to have the fear Caylee had when she was about to die.

I want her terrified that the needle awaits her.
 
I don't think so and she may even get off with manslaughter. IMO
 
Actually, Ted Bundy was handsome.

I guess in the eyes of the beholder. I found him repulsive. Could be the 'murdering' part :floorlaugh:, but still- he had bad teeth (evidence) and beady eyes... skinny and squirely.

I was repulsed by him and in fact, still am repulsed by him.

But I find my hubby handsome and others don't. go Figure. :waitasec:
 
This woman was never a bombshell, but she most certainly deserved the death penalty.

I agree. It drives me mad when someone is sitting on trial, they seem to always be described as handsome or pretty.....Ted Bundy: Handsome, charming, charismatic, etc. Dean Philip Carter; handsome, charming, etc... Richard Rameriz- the same and on and on. All were very ugly men- IMO.
Diane Downs was/is ugly. Bad teeth, bad skin, terrible figure, and scraggly hair. She was cheap and easy- that's about it.

It makes for a more interesting news article to hype them up. These are just ugly people inside and out.

As a female I have never thought of Casey as beautiful. She isn't ugly but she isn't attractive either. She is average looking. Her nose is ugly. I'm not trying to be mean but I have rolled my eyes when people have said that Casey is attractive. I have asked a few guys if they think Casey is pretty and they said no.

Casey's boyfriends weren't too attractive either, the only that was a bit good looking was Anthony R.
 
I think just under the 1% chance that ICA is innocent I would vote for life in prison just in case I'm wrong. I would not want to responsible for someone being killed in case they are perhaps innocent.
 
to me, if convicted, she should face the death penalty. She didn't murder someone she didn't know, some stranger or even a friend, she murdered her baby! A defenseless child that her parents would have been willing to care for if she didn't. She was so selfish that she wouldn't give Caylee to her parents to raise yet she wanted to party...and her need for that fun lifestyle meant that Caylee was in the way. Accident or not, KC knew that this could have killed Caylee and SHE DIDN'T CARE! She wanted to party and that is what she cared about.

I don't think that KC can feel remorse, not for anyone else. She'd sit in prison sad that she was denied her freedom, not sad that she had MURDERED her baby. She wouldn't pray for forgiveness, it would all be "poor me".

She just needs to go where she will find the "real punishment" and that's not in this life.
 
I am against the death penalty period.So that's not a question for me.I don't believe anyone has the right to take another persons life.Of course emotionally I feel like she deserves to die but doesn't that make me a killer in my own mind? Doesn't everyone who kills feel at the moment that person deserves to die? Wasn't ICA insanely jealous of her daughter? Did she ever feel the love from CA she felt Caylee received?
To me it was a crime of passion,sort of like when you catch your husband with someone else and kill his lover.
I' m really torn because I could cry for Caylee every day,for that smart beautiful woman she would have grown up and deserved to be one day.......but sometimes I do feel empathy for ICA,I can understand how being raised the way she was could have led to this horrible thing....even if she was not sexually abused..
 
I'm just curious as to what others thoughts are on this. I know this is a pretty personal question, so if it's not okay to ask, please remove. :seeya: Do you think Casey should get LWOP or do you think she should get the DP?
 
DP without a doubt. They created the DP for people as cold blooded as Casey. YOU DON'T KILL YOUR OWN CHILD. PERIOD.
 
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