Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin on Dr. Phil 3 February 2012

[Melanie]

I don't look for any significant revelations on the Dr. Phil show. Tacopina will have coached his clients thoroughly about what they can/can't say and how to answer (as he should - that's his job). He will also likely jump in and answer for them in some instances, both because he'll need to and because he's not gonna sit there and not get any air time for himself.

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Which makes me wonder why they are even bothering to be on the show. What are they expecting from it? For the public to look for Lisa? A blond haired blue eyed toddler that looks like just about every blue eyed blond haired toddler out there?

Is it money? I don't think it's to clear their name, because few folks even talk about them anymore. If they weren't going to be on Dr. P, I would probably forget about the case, just like Sky's. I have to admit, I don't follow either case anymore. If the police can't be bothered, why am I expending my energy. Just another parent who gets away with killing their kid. I'm getting used to it (as horrible as that may sound).

So -- why are the Bradley/Irwin's going on Dr. P??

MOO

Mel

 

[Whisperer]

Part of the 911 tape released today states Jeremy told LE that the window was forcibly broke into. In fact I think a stronger adjective was used by JI. It appears that he was trying to describe how the intruder entered his home. One gets the impression that the window was the key. So does that mean the front door was locked?

I have to watch and listen again but it was very focused on that "smashed in" window in the 911 call.

I wonder if LE will release more stuff the closer it gets to the Dr. Phil Show....this is now a real cat and mouse game.

 

[vlpate]

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Which makes me wonder why they are even bothering to be on the show. What are they expecting from it? For the public to look for Lisa? A blond haired blue eyed toddler that looks like just about every blue eyed blond haired toddler out there?

Is it money? I don't think it's to clear their name, because few folks even talk about them anymore. If they weren't going to be on Dr. P, I would probably forget about the case, just like Sky's. I have to admit, I don't follow either case anymore. If the police can't be bothered, why am I expending my energy. Just another parent who gets away with killing their kid. I'm getting used to it (as horrible as that may sound).

So -- why are the Bradley/Irwin's going on Dr. P??

MOO

Mel

What more can the police do? It's the parents who can't be bothered.

 

[Evan's Mom]

That question needs to be asked to the poster who stated they would bring items necessary if they were stealing a baby.

I never said I'd bring a single thing with me. I said I would not take things from her home that could be tied to me because I'd be prepared and have what I needed if I were going to steal a baby. Why would you even think I'd bring that stuff with me? Why would anyone? Because they care? No. They're stealing a baby.
Hypothetically, could I not have those items in a car parked a few blocks away or in a hotel somewhere or have them at my home while I'm waiting on my middleman to bring me the baby?
Obviously a neighborhood that was getting me the baby wouldn't care or think about getting her personal things or other belongings; he's committing a crime. The baby is only a means to an end for him.

 

[In da Middle]

Part of the 911 tape released today states Jeremy told LE that the window was forcibly broke into. In fact I think a stronger adjective was used by JI. It appears that he was trying to describe how the intruder entered his home. One gets the impression that the window was the key. So does that mean the front door was locked?

I have to watch and listen again but it was very focused on that "smashed in" window in the 911 call.

I wonder if LE will release more stuff the closer it gets to the Dr. Phil Show....

When was the 911 call released? Where is it?

 

[Detective Klimpt]

DB needs an attorney because she speaks w/o thinking.

This is true, and that is why I don't believe she was using the drunk excuse for not being able to remember things that happened during the evening. Her statement that drinking doesn't change who you are is not entirely true either. Drinking makes some people angry, some people sad, some people sleepy, some people brave, etc.

To change topic...regarding the duration of the drinking, don't forget that Shane said that neither DB or SB were drinking when he was chatting with them. He said he could tell they had been drinking, but were not during his visit. Whether DB continued to drink later is unknown.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The Dr. Phil show may have provided a limo (for sure), first class seating and a posh hotel for the weekend in New York.

Local LE can't compete with that! However, they have other ways...hehe

:great: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh: Yep ... BIG difference between a limo and a "squad car" ...

:waitasec: And a BIG difference between a "posh hotel" and :behindbar

And :doh: Phil's Show will include a "complete makeover" -- hair, makeup, wardrobe ... the works !

MOO ...

 

[In da Middle]

who said she covered her azz, being drunk is NOT a crime, they cannot arrest her because she is or was drunk. JMO

the covering part is the covering what some seem to think a blacked-out drunk person could have possibly done to the baby. I just dont see that as very likely. Even less than the imfamous 5 percent chance that a non-parent could have done it. LE was ALL OVER the place as soon as the sun was up. She also lasted through sitting with LE for the entire rest of the day. Like I said, drunks, especially THAT drunk are not stealthy nor careful. Both would be required for this to be successful.

 

[vlpate]

The average person metabolizes 5 oz of wine an hour. Exactly how big were her glasses? I can't picture her sipping wine out of small crystal flute on the sloop.

:drink:

So to say Five Drinks in Five hours is not DRUNK is misleading.

I tend to think she was sharing whatever liquor the SB brought back from the liquor store. I'm a wine drinker - with dinner and sometimes with friends, but never to get tipsy, what a headache. She's admitting to the wine, but my guess is there were some shots involved. JMO

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Part of the 911 tape released today states Jeremy told LE that the window was forcibly broke into. In fact I think a stronger adjective was used by JI. It appears that he was trying to describe how the intruder entered his home. One gets the impression that the window was the key. So does that mean the front door was locked?

I have to watch and listen again but it was very focused on that "smashed in" window in the 911 call.

I wonder if LE will release more stuff the closer it gets to the Dr. Phil Show....this is now a real cat and mouse game.

I haven't listened to the recording....real life happening....

Are they transcribed anywhere?

The Darlie Routier case came to mind as I read your your comment about the focus being on the window.

Hhhmmmm.....

 

[vlpate]

the covering part is the covering what some seem to think a blacked-out drunk person could have possibly done to the baby. I just dont see that as very likely. Even less than the imfamous 5 percent chance that a non-parent could have done it. LE was ALL OVER the place as soon as the sun was up. She also lasted through sitting with LE for the entire rest of the day. Like I said, drunks, especially THAT drunk are not stealthy nor careful. Both would be required for this to be successful.

Like whisperer said, there is a difference between blacking out and passing out. A person doesn't lose their capacity to be stealth or careful when they black out. They simply don't remember what they did. Being passed out is flopping onto whatever surface is handy, dressed or not dressed, and falling hard to sleep.

Blackouts are common in alcoholics....not that she is one...

Knowing how Dr. Phil is, he will go into the difference.

 

[vlpate]

When was the 911 call released? Where is it?

It was on Vinnie Politan's show - you'll have to try and find it, I'm not sure if it's been posted.

They also showed the camera inside the cops cars while on their way to the Irwin home.

 

[In da Middle]

It was on Vinnie Politan's show - you'll have to try and find it, I'm not sure if it's been posted.

They also showed the camera inside the cops cars while on their way to the Irwin home.

Are you sure it was the 911 call? I have never heard of any LE in Missouri release a 911 call in the middle of an investigation. They are protected by law to be able to do so and KCPD has been adamant that they will not release it. Or is it just the call being dispatched? BIG difference. I would be thinking local media outlets would be ALL over this if this happened. Why would Vinnie be the only one with this very much coveted info?

 

[4Jacy]

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Which makes me wonder why they are even bothering to be on the show. What are they expecting from it? For the public to look for Lisa? A blond haired blue eyed toddler that looks like just about every blue eyed blond haired toddler out there?

Is it money? I don't think it's to clear their name, because few folks even talk about them anymore. If they weren't going to be on Dr. P, I would probably forget about the case, just like Sky's. I have to admit, I don't follow either case anymore. If the police can't be bothered, why am I expending my energy. Just another parent who gets away with killing their kid. I'm getting used to it (as horrible as that may sound).

So -- why are the Bradley/Irwin's going on Dr. P??

MOO

Mel

Why?? I don't think, because of TOS I can say why, however, I KNOW why.

 

[In da Middle]

Like whisperer said, there is a difference between blacking out and passing out. A person doesn't lose their capacity to be stealth or careful when they black out. They simply don't remember what they did. Being passed out is flopping onto whatever surface is handy, dressed or not dressed, and falling hard to sleep.

Blackouts are common in alcoholics....not that she is one...

Knowing how Dr. Phil is, he will go into the difference.

EVERY person who I have ever seen blacked out drunk leaves a total mess in their wake. I have never seen a black out drunk ever be stealthy nor careful. They wobble and weave, spill and trash. They then wake up not believing anybody that they did it. Drunk severely impairs coordination. That is why it is illegal to drive drunk. Blacked out drunks might THINK they are being stealthy and careful, but they are far from it.

 

[TxLady2]

If she had 5 drinks between 5p-10p then went to sleep and the police arrive at 4am. Would she still be drunk?

I'm not a drinker, I really have nothing to base drunkness on.

Being drunk while caring for children isn't illegal, it's just poor parenting.

No, not in my opinion, based on experience with drunks. She said she went to bed.... or passed out.... whichever, around 10:30. So that was almost 5 hours later when Jeremy came home. She would have slept most of that off by then.
Most drunks can sleep off the worst of a drunk in 3 hours, easy.

 

[vlpate]

EVERY person who I have ever seen blacked out drunk leaves a total mess in their wake. I have never seen a black out drunk ever be stealthy nor careful. They wobble and weave, spill and trash. They then wake up not believing anybody that they did it. Drunk severely impairs coordination. That is why it is illegal to drive drunk. Blacked out drunks might THINK they are being stealthy and careful, but they are far from it.

You're describing someone so drunk they don't remember the butt they made of themselves or they use drinking as an excuse for their sloppy behavior.

http://lifeoftheparty.sa.ucsb.edu/Alcohol101/Blackouts.aspx
What is the difference between a blackout and passing out?
"Blackouts" (sometimes referred to as alcohol-related memory loss or "alcoholic amnesia") occur when people have no memory of what happened while intoxicated. These periods may last from a few hours to several days. During a blackout, someone may appear fine to others; however, the next day they cannot remember parts of the night and what they did. The cause of blackouts is not well understood but may involve the brain’s diminished ability to store short term memory, deep seizures, or in some cases, psychological depression. Blackouts shouldn't be confused with "passing out," which happens when people lose consciousness from drinking excessive amounts of alcohol."

 

[vlpate]

Are you sure it was the 911 call? I have never heard of any LE in Missouri release a 911 call in the middle of an investigation. They are protected by law to be able to do so and KCPD has been adamant that they will not release it. Or is it just the call being dispatched? BIG difference. I would be thinking local media outlets would be ALL over this if this happened. Why would Vinnie be the only one with this very much coveted info?

No, I'm not sure, I was on the phone arguing with my cable company while Politan was on - I think it was the 911 call from Demi's home....followed or preceded by the Irwin story - sorry.

 

[TxLady2]

I never said I'd bring a single thing with me. I said I would not take things from her home that could be tied to me because I'd be prepared and have what I needed if I were going to steal a baby. Why would you even think I'd bring that stuff with me? Why would anyone? Because they care? No. They're stealing a baby.
Hypothetically, could I not have those items in a car parked a few blocks away or in a hotel somewhere or have them at my home while I'm waiting on my middleman to bring me the baby?
Obviously a neighborhood that was getting me the baby wouldn't care or think about getting her personal things or other belongings; he's committing a crime. The baby is only a means to an end for him.

Exactly. If a person is going to sneak into a house and steal a baby, they aren't going to take time to gather up their clothes, a blanket, diapers and bottles... they are going to snatch the baby and get the heck out of there so they won't be caught.

 

[TxLady2]

DB could have removed a deceased Lisa from the house by putting her in a suitcase/bag/container. She could have driven a vehicle, disposed of her, threw something in a dumpster; tossed a lighter in it. She could have found and brought back a stray cat along the way, went to bed and NOT remember one darn thing....IF she blacked out..

Not if she was drunk enough to black out. When a person is that drunk, to the point of not being able to remember anything, they aren't capable of thinking, let alone driving a vehicle. And certainly not realizing that they have to hide and dispose of their child's body, by setting fire to a dumpster. My guess is, if she was that drunk and realized her child was dead, she would have been emotional, crying, shaking, unable to control it. She would NOT have been calm enough to do all those things.