Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin on Dr. Phil 3 February 2012

[Evan's Mom]

Was Lisa taken by a person that wanted a baby? No, imo...because they took nothing with them. They didn't take a bottle, food, clothing, a pacifier or even a blanket. We always hear about this scenario though.

Was Lisa taken by a psycho maniac/ drug dealer, baby traffiker? possibly...extremely rare.

Was she taken by a pedophile? possibly...extremely rare.

If abducted, Lisa's life meant nothing to the person. I am eliminating family, friends and the occasional abductor because nothing of comfort was taken with/for Lisa.

If I were stealing a baby, I'd have already bought those things in preparation. I wouldn't take anything that belonged to the baby because I wouldn't want that evidence tied to me if I were caught with the baby.

 

[Jacie Estes]

You were there too and didn't say hi? :seeya: I was standing back with the reporters.

I've tried to humor her and keep my mouth shut, but when she messaged me yesterday asking me if an address she has for my home is correct that screams stalker, even jf it wasn't correct. I have an office. Make an appointment.

I WISH we still lived in KCMO, I miss Rosedale BBQ and the Jelly Belly store at Crown Plaza. I watched the birthday balloon launch on tv and in video and, as you said, you could see the switch flip.

Perhaps you should report the message, just in case.

From day one I am one of the people who think Jeremy and Deborah did NOT harm their baby. Something I have wondered about and, if you feel free to speak to it, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts. jersey is a low level street 'associate'; his arson record in NJ tells me that he may have been 'working' for certain interests; I'm not surprised that he came to KCMO. I think that the house where he was doing work, including turning on/off sprinklers may well have been a place to stash the phones or Lisa for a few, until the 12:15am sighting. JS has said that couple was 'hostile' in speaking with him, answering questions. I have not discounted jersey, in this scenario. The jersey/Meghan relationship thing is just too weird and when the phone call is added in, it gets even freakier. Have you been able to get any 'street' info about jersey that you are comfortable talking about? Don't give up on that angle, for Lisa's sake.

btw, I miss the American Royal BBQ contest too.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

From day one I am one of the people who think Jeremy and Deborah did NOT harm their baby. Something I have wondered about and, if you feel free to speak to it, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts. jersey is a low level street 'associate'; his arson record in NJ tells me that he may have been 'working' for certain interests; I'm not surprised that he came to KCMO. I think that the house where he was doing work, including turning on/off sprinklers may well have been a place to stash the phones or Lisa for a few, until the 12:15am sighting. JS has said that couple was 'hostile' in speaking with him, answering questions. I have not discounted jersey, in this scenario. The jersey/Meghan relationship thing is just too weird and when the phone call is added in, it gets even freakier. Have you been able to get any 'street' info about jersey that you are comfortable talking about? Don't give up on that angle, for Lisa's sake.

BBE
It's comforting to know I am not the only one here that thinks they're innocent. It's a lonely place to be.

All the other stuff you wrote about Jersey I agree with too, except for the part about him taking BL. I've probably written here several times that I believe Jersey had those phones. How, why, what I don't have answers for.

 

[In da Middle]

I find Edith a LOT concerning. Just watching her 'act' at the birthday balloon launch was enough for me ton think she was unstable. Edith has a history from past cases; those of us who have lived/live in KCMO are familiar with Edith. IMHO, I hope the woman gets some psychiatric help. No one has the right to plant themselves on another's front lawn, especially under these circumstances. Jeremy and Deborah were being kind with her, she could have been arrested; they just asked her to stop and she threw a fit.

And just to expand on this, they also allowed her to have a final 'vigil'. They could have very easily told her to go away right there and then, but they didn't. She then proceeded to act the very same way that got her booted and put the blame for her actions on them.

 

[Whisperer]

If I were stealing a baby, I'd have already bought those things in preparation. I wouldn't take anything that belonged to the baby because I wouldn't want that evidence tied to me if I were caught with the baby.

Okay..I think being caught with the baby overides the worry of a blanket.

Did Jersey plan this and bring baby necessities with him? For people who are tying him in, did he remove Lisa's clothing too?

Or did a total stranger come into the home, prepared, with everything needed to take her? Did this person change her before taking her away?

Did this abductor decide to take three cell phones along with a baby? If the person was prepared to abduct a child, why in the world would that person need or want the cell phones?

 

[Whisperer]

I don't know all often details of Netz' residency on Walrond other than he lives there. It's a modest home. I'm not concerned whether he rents or owns when I have more relevant things to look into. He was NOT sleeping at DB's house that night. It was erroneously reported by KSPR in Springfield, some three hours from here. Then the error was rereported, and so on. That's the problem with non-local media rewriting coverage to look like theyre on top of things.

I suspect some entry level writer mistook Lisa's brother for sleeping in the next room for Deborah's brother.

I am quite surprised that you are not interested in Phil N. He states he knows DB was drunk that night. Some say he was there. We know he was there in the early evening.

I think it would behoove you to know all of his actions and background concerning this case. When you do the research, his addy is on Lister. When did he move to Walrond?

Did he move there in the aftermath? IMO, that house is more than a very modest home. It is much nicer than the house on Lister. I did some research on the property.

All the players need profiling...him included, especially since he was there. Why no interest?

 

[DeAnn]

I am quite surprised that you are not interested in Phil N. He states he knows DB was drunk that night. Some say he was there. We know he was there in the early evening.

I think it would behoove you to know all of his actions and background concerning this case. When you do the research, his addy is on Lister. When did he move to Walrond?

Did he move there in the aftermath? IMO, that house is more than a very modest home. It is much nicer than the house on Lister. I did some research on the property.

All the players need profiling...him included, especially since he was there. Why no interest?

I'm interested in Phil Netz but I'm also interested in facts.

To my knowledge, he has never publicly said he knows or knew his sister was drunk that night. Again, as others have said and I have said, that was an erroneous report by a television station three hours away. Period.

I realize you put a great deal by fallible public search tools but I don't. Other than one or two fallible public search tools, I have found no record in proven search tools that those in the media and investigative positions use or public records that show Phil Netz ever lived on Lister. He has never paid taxes on a car there. He's never been registered to vote from there. He never got a speeding ticket with that address.

And again we have a different definition of nice home. A $20,000 home on Walrond isn't "nice" to me at least not by a Kansas City definition. I'm not sure what research you have done but based on Kansas City market values it's at best a modest home.

He's not living at Briarcliff.

And move there in the aftermath of what? He wasn't living on Lister the night of Oct. 3. He was living on Walrond.

And I mean no disrespect but the erroneous Springfield report and the damage it did is a huge pet peeve of mine.

Finally, maybe I'm missing something but we know Phil and Debbie are close. He didn't live on Lister in early October. So whether he lived there previously or not seems irrelevant to me. I guess I'm missing something. Maybe you can explain why it's so important to know how long he lived there, whether he did and when he moved out.

To me we know he and his sister are close from a variety of sources and he wasn't living there that night. The rest seems insignificant to me. I'd rather know did Phil Netz know Megan Wright, Tanko, Dane, etc etc etc or one of his friends know one of them than his previous time on Lister.

 

[Whisperer]

Why so angry with another station outside of KC? All media make errors. They can't check facts. LE won't tell them any, including yours. I am sure you know that, I am also sure many know that the media get there stories off the AP in the beginning of most cases. Blaming the station for getting it wrong shows me that a few are getting their info from the family. How does anyone know Phil N. was not there that night?

His driving his sister and dropping her off with a jug of wine never sat right with me. They are close. Maybe he visited for awhile. Maybe not, but for some to tell us it is a fact that he didn't and another source got it wrong is not enough.

One media says he was there. One says he wasn't. How does we know which one is right? We don't. That is why we are here trying to piece it together.

BTW, I trust my efforts and where I received information on Phil N. listing his addy as Lister. Unless he was seen at work all those hours on Oct 3/4, he is to be included in possibilities of being in the house at some time that night.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I am glad that Baby Lisa's case will be back in the national media. The case may have received significant coverage back in October, but I think the drought of coverage since then has made a lot of people forgot about it. Just look at the headline of the press release; it says "Parents of Missing Missouri Baby". It doesn't say Baby Lisa, Lisa Irwin, Deborah Bradley, Jeremy Irwin, the Irwins, etc. Whoever wrote that press release thinks that people would not recognize the name of a specific person involved in the case, so they had to use a more general description to refresh people's memories and get them to pay attention.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't know how much a draw dr. phil is compared to ng. I think he can garner up sympathy for his guests better than any other. I don't know anyone that watches his show. He, like Oprah, must have a following.

I watched the cindy a interview and I considered it a disgrace. However I bet there are many people who didn't follow the case that fell, hook, line and sinker for what the anthonys put out there...perhaps contributing to their foundation...which was the whole point.

 

[~n/t~]

I don't know how much a draw dr. phil is compared to ng. I think he can garner up sympathy for his guests better than any other. I don't know anyone that watches his show. He, like Oprah, must have a following.

I watched the cindy a interview and I considered it a disgrace. However I bet there are many people who didn't follow the case that fell, hook, line and sinker for what the anthonys put out there...perhaps contributing to their foundation...which was the whole point.

Dr. Phil draws a different audience than NG and that's what is important. There may be people who never even heard about this case who will suddenly know Lisa is missing. If you go with the assumption that she's dead then of course, you would not approve. But if you think that there is even a 1% chance that this baby girl is still alive, you may realize that even if you dislike the parents, their attorney and their spokesperson/PI it is secondary to finding Lisa.

Not every case is a Casey Anthony. I wish people would stop comparing many of the missing children cases to that one. Until there is absolute proof the child is deceased, how can you ignore a missing child?

As far as I know, there is no foundation set up in this case.

 

[~n/t~]

Why so angry with another station outside of KC? All media make errors. They can't check facts. LE won't tell them any, including yours. I am sure you know that, I am also sure many know that the media get there stories off the AP in the beginning of most cases. Blaming the station for getting it wrong shows me that a few are getting their info from the family. How does anyone know Phil N. was not there that night?

His driving his sister and dropping her off with a jug of wine never sat right with me. They are close. Maybe he visited for awhile. Maybe not, but for some to tell us it is a fact that he didn't and another source got it wrong is not enough.

One media says he was there. One says he wasn't. How does we know which one is right? We don't. That is why we are here trying to piece it together.

BTW, I trust my efforts and where I received information on Phil N. listing his addy as Lister. Unless he was seen at work all those hours on Oct 3/4, he is to be included in possibilities of being in the house at some time that night.

Wasn't he questioned by LE a couple of times? I have no idea what Phil N does for a living or if even works. To be asking for a work alibi for a 2 am timeline is meaningless if those were not his working hours, imo.

Many of us are asleep at 2-3 am. How do you provide an alibi when someone is sleeping?

 

[~n/t~]

Okay..I think being caught with the baby overides the worry of a blanket.

Did Jersey plan this and bring baby necessities with him? For people who are tying him in, did he remove Lisa's clothing too?

Or did a total stranger come into the home, prepared, with everything needed to take her? Did this person change her before taking her away?

Did this abductor decide to take three cell phones along with a baby? If the person was prepared to abduct a child, why in the world would that person need or want the cell phones?

We have no idea what the abductor's mindset was like on that night and the reasons he/she did what they did. Why steal a baby? Why steal cellphones? Why the Irwin home?

Isn't that the question we ask ourselves everytime some horrible crime is committed? The "why"? Sometimes we get our question answered but many times we're left wondering.

 

[~n/t~]

ooops sorry Mods. I think I got carried away and answering off topic questions.


This is the Dr. Phil thread. :blushing:

 

[cityslick]

Why so angry with another station outside of KC? All media make errors. They can't check facts. LE won't tell them any, including yours. I am sure you know that, I am also sure many know that the media get there stories off the AP in the beginning of most cases. Blaming the station for getting it wrong shows me that a few are getting their info from the family. How does anyone know Phil N. was not there that night?

His driving his sister and dropping her off with a jug of wine never sat right with me. They are close. Maybe he visited for awhile. Maybe not, but for some to tell us it is a fact that he didn't and another source got it wrong is not enough.

One media says he was there. One says he wasn't. How does we know which one is right? We don't. That is why we are here trying to piece it together.

BTW, I trust my efforts and where I received information on Phil N. listing his addy as Lister. Unless he was seen at work all those hours on Oct 3/4, he is to be included in possibilities of being in the house at some time that night.

I think it's been confirmed by multiple sources that the Springfield article was wrong. It's been acknowledged on this forum that the Springfield article is wrong. As far as his whereabouts that night, there is no evidence he was there, based on numerous interviews and facts by folks that are actually talking to people down there (JS and RR). If there is no evidence or proof he was there that night, why continue to follow a dead end?

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Regarding those search engines that provide addresses...I am a member of several of them. They have a lot of outdated/incorrect info. For example, Ms. Raim has several addresses listed and none are correct (I sluethed her a lot). She even has one of them at the Lister address. The address information for the Roberts family (Ayla case) is inaccurate as well. I think that possibly Phil lived at Lister at one time or he lists Lister as his address on things and gets his mail there, etc. A lot of young people that don't plan on having a permanent address use a relative's address; an address that is more established.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I am quite surprised that you are not interested in Phil N. He states he knows DB was drunk that night. Some say he was there. We know he was there in the early evening.

I think it would behoove you to know all of his actions and background concerning this case. When you do the research, his addy is on Lister. When did he move to Walrond?

Did he move there in the aftermath? IMO, that house is more than a very modest home. It is much nicer than the house on Lister. I did some research on the property.

All the players need profiling...him included, especially since he was there. Why no interest?

BBM

Do you have a link for this?

 

[In da Middle]

I am quite surprised that you are not interested in Phil N. He states he knows DB was drunk that night. Some say he was there. We know he was there in the early evening.

I think it would behoove you to know all of his actions and background concerning this case. When you do the research, his addy is on Lister. When did he move to Walrond?

Did he move there in the aftermath? IMO, that house is more than a very modest home. It is much nicer than the house on Lister. I did some research on the property.

All the players need profiling...him included, especially since he was there. Why no interest?

What research says this house is nicer? :waitasec:One small glimpse of the kitchen? This house is nearly 100 years old and a 2 bedroom house per the county assessor sites. Also if this research was on city public records, it shows it to be a rental. County records shows who owns it and its status. I put MUCH more weight on these records than any search site such as zillow. I have also personally been by the house, and nicer it is not. While it is a nice, old house, it is far from spectacular. A house that old (about 80-90 years old) probably HAD to have the kitchen updated and they just did a really good job of it.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Okay..I think being caught with the baby overides the worry of a blanket.

Did Jersey plan this and bring baby necessities with him? For people who are tying him in, did he remove Lisa's clothing too?

Or did a total stranger come into the home, prepared, with everything needed to take her? Did this person change her before taking her away?

Did this abductor decide to take three cell phones along with a baby? If the person was prepared to abduct a child, why in the world would that person need or want the cell phones?

BBM

Exactly what does one bring to a baby abduction?

 

[Jacie Estes]

Why so angry with another station outside of KC? All media make errors. They can't check facts. LE won't tell them any, including yours. I am sure you know that, I am also sure many know that the media get there stories off the AP in the beginning of most cases. Blaming the station for getting it wrong shows me that a few are getting their info from the family. How does anyone know Phil N. was not there that night?

His driving his sister and dropping her off with a jug of wine never sat right with me. They are close. Maybe he visited for awhile. Maybe not, but for some to tell us it is a fact that he didn't and another source got it wrong is not enough.

One media says he was there. One says he wasn't. How does we know which one is right? We don't. That is why we are here trying to piece it together.

BTW, I trust my efforts and where I received information on Phil N. listing his addy as Lister. Unless he was seen at work all those hours on Oct 3/4, he is to be included in possibilities of being in the house at some time that night.

BBM

How is this logical? Do you think that the Springfield reporter got in their vehicle, left Springfield , jumped on I-70 and drove to KCMO to speak with the family? Is the premise that this Springfield reporter had an exclusive with the family? If you go down the $$$$ rabbit hole, just how much CAN a Springfield newspaper pay for that exclusive? Some Gates, Cherry Mash and maybe throw in a Sonic lemonade, flavor of choice?

I'm certain that where this outlet got their story was not by speaking to the family; their, the Springfield reporter's, story was incorrect.