Debbie Bradley and Jeremy Irwin on Dr. Phil 3 February 2012

[Whisperer]

BBM

Do you have a link for that?

Sure do and hope this satisfies and brings you peace.

The mother herself stated she could have been blacked out and can't REMEMBER anything. I call that "Drunk out of her mind".

 

[iamnotagolem]

For lack of a better source...from people magazine. I know it was in several articles, but since I have no vested interest in the drunk conversation, this is what I'm linking.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20537543,00.html

Lisa Irwin's mother drank enough wine at home while relaxing with a neighbor that she has no recollection of whether or not she checked on her daughter or turned off the house lights before she went to bed.

 

[~n/t~]

Scores of FBI agents search house where Baby Lisa's parents are staying - hours after she admits she was 'blackout' drunk the night her daughter vanished

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ys-mother-Deborah-Bradley-blackout-drunk.html

 

[Jacie Estes]

There is a VAST difference between could and was.

I could have been drunk last night vs. I was drunk last night.

 

[~n/t~]

There is a VAST difference between could and was.

I could have been drunk last night vs. I was drunk last night.

Jacie, in the link I posted there is a video at the bottom where she's being interviewed. She admits she WAS drunk. Not that she could have been drunk. In her own words.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ys-mother-Deborah-Bradley-blackout-drunk.html

This is WRONG!
JeezLouise, I thought you guys paid attention to what was said on the videos and in interviews. If it's not a direct quote or something I hear with my own ears, then it's not totally reliable.

Debbie was asked "Could you have blacked out". Her answer was "It's possible". That does NOT mean she blacked out. Anyone that has been drinking would have to honestly answer "It's possible" because one has no way of being certain if they did blackout.

Further, Deb was asked "were you drunk". Deb answered "yes". That was a foolish answer imo. Unfortunately for her, she didn't have time to prepare for such a question. What is drunk? There is anything from feeling a buzz to being passed out unconscious and all kinds of degrees in between. I choose to believe that she was not staggering drunk.

Deb's not being certain if she checked on Lisa is because this is something she does on auto-pilot. I think this is also why both DB and JI's stories have some changes. Not everyone remembers every move they make and the order in which they make them.

It is very offensive to me, as a previous regular social drinker, to hear labels like 'sloshed' 'drunk out of her mind', etc. Having a couple drinks a few times a week does not equate to a lush.

 

[Whisperer]

Her family has a HX of alcoholism. I'm think Dr. Phil will speak on it. There is a difference between "Passed out" and Blacked out" Anyone who knows about drinking knows if they "Blacked out".

It is something that you are told about since you will not have memory of a time period. Sometimes you snap and you are not where you last remember. You will smack awake and have lost time. You will have no recall of what you did during the black out. Others may tell you about it. However, there will be a lapse in time and you will never know what you did during that time w/o a witness telling you. It is like amnesia but those hours are gone. You will never remember.

It is possible that she did black out...and imo, this could be her fear.

If she is lying about blacking out or drinking, then she has a reason to be lying and it is not good.

 

[~n/t~]

Anyone who knows about drinking knows if they "Blacked out". It is something that you are told about. You will smack awake and have lost time. You will have no recall of what you did during the black out. Others may tell you about it. However, there will be a lapse in time and you will never know what you did during that time w/o a witness telling you. It is like amnesia but those hours are gone.

It is possible that she did black out...and imo, this could be her fear.

If she is lying about blacking out or drinking, then she has a reason to be lying and it is not good.

I think that is what caused her to fail the polygraph. I agree that is her fear. Did she harm Lisa? I don't believe she did but IMO, she did black out/pass out and doesn't remember much of what happened that night.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I shouldn't ask this but I can't help myself....you said in one post that you didn't believe anything that comes out of Debbie Bradley's mouth....so why believe she was drunk out of her mind? Why not think she was stone cold sober? If you believe she was drunk then there's one thing you think she was truthful about right?

and police did question them the first week Just not extensively since then and not the way that the police want and most people think should happen seemingly.

With all due respect to all Sleuthers, if we don't believe DB when she says she was black out drunk, then one alternative is that she was stone cold sober. Just to continue this stream of logic....there is at least one other logical alternative scenario..she was not completely alert due to drug use...not alcohol use solely. Ifshe was using drugs, where did she purchase them? How were. They provided to her. This is not a judgement led scenario. given the predominance of drug use throughout the country, this is a logical scenario, as any others might be.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I have said this before but I will post it again.

WHEN the police came to the house that night for a kidnapped baby call IF Deborah had been so drunk that her behavior was erratic or above the slightest reproach, she would have been field tested, a PBT, or she would have been transported, under suspicion, for a BAC. LE would have, first thing, determined IF she were drunk and thus capable of harming/killing, accidently or otherwise, her baby.

I have been around more drunks than I ever cared to be; my ex, in particular. There is no way, IF Deborah had just murdered her baby, that she could hide that fact. LE is trained to observe and evaluate the situation; if there had been the slightest hint, Deborah would have been taken away that night. She wasn't.

 

[krimekat]

I come from a long line of "drunks" who have cared for their children whatever way they could -- no missing children in my family. There may be scars but we are all accounted for . . .

Prayers for Pumpkin Pie wherever she may be :innocent:

please excuse my double post

 

[~n/t~]

I have said this before but I will post it again.

WHEN the police came to the house that night for a kidnapped baby call IF Deborah had been so drunk that her behavior was erratic or above the slightest reproach, she would have been field tested, a PBT, or she would have been transported, under suspicion, for a BAC. LE would have, first thing, determined IF she were drunk and thus capable of harming/killing, accidently or otherwise, her baby.

I have been around more drunks than I ever cared to be; my ex, in particular. There is no way, IF Deborah had just murdered her baby, that she could hide that fact. LE is trained to observe and evaluate the situation; if there had been the slightest hint, Deborah would have been taken away that night. She wasn't.

So you don't believe her? Why would she lie ?

 

[In da Middle]

With all due respect to all Sleuthers, if we don't believe DB when she says she was black out drunk, then one alternative is that she was stone cold sober. Just to continue this stream of logic....there is at least one other logical alternative scenario..she was not completely alert due to drug use...not alcohol use solely. Ifshe was using drugs, where did she purchase them? How were. They provided to her. This is not a judgement led scenario. given the predominance of drug use throughout the country, this is a logical scenario, as any others might be.

I didn't see the point being made as actually being whether she was drunk or not. i saw it being that if somebody is stating that they dont believe a word DB said, why pick this ONE thing to believe? Why ONLY this and nothing else?

 

[Sherbie]

Jacie, in the link I posted there is a video at the bottom where she's being interviewed. She admits she WAS drunk. Not that she could have been drunk. In her own words.

Thanks...that's as I remember it (too lazy to watch the video again - glad you did).

Also, she is admittedly not an inexperienced drinker (think she said she did this a couple or a few times a week or month?), so I feel certain she knows the difference between having a little buzz and being drunk.

That said, we have only her word for it that she was drunk. I don't know whether she really was or whether she's claiming to have been because it gives her an out for not remembering everything. If she did drink to the point of being drunk, I would have to assume that she stopped early enough in the evening/got enough of a nap that the worst of it was worn off by the time LE arrived.

Her drunkenness (regardless the degree) is a legitimate issue, IMO, because it potentially affects the recall or actions of the person who was in charge of Lisa's care at the time she disappeared.

 

[Jacie Estes]

So you don't believe her? Why would she lie ?

????

Not sure where you got that from my post. My POV is that LE would have detected something and acted accordingly.

ETA: I don't know how much media, television work, you are familiar with. I had a job where I had to do a lot of it; sometimes at least one interview a day. Even with experience, there are times when you flub an answer or say one thing and then realize, after the fact, that your answer was wrong or not pertinent to the question. Deborah has ZEE experience with doing media/interviews, watch her face as she says maybe. She is not lying.

I do not believe that either Jeremy or Deborah harmed/killed their child. I do not believe that they know where she is.

 

[~n/t~]

I didn't see the point being made as actually being whether she was drunk or not. i saw it being that if somebody is stating that they dont believe a word DB said, why pick this ONE thing to believe? Why ONLY this and nothing else?

It goes both ways though. If one believes she didn't harm Lisa, why wouldn't they believe her when she says she was drunk?

 

[~n/t~]

????

Not sure where you got that from my post. My POV is that LE would have detected something and acted accordingly.

I do not believe that either Jeremy or Deborah harmed/killed their child. I do not believe that they know where she is.

You said LE would have taken her immediately if she was drunk. DB said she was drunk. :waitasec:

One thing is for sure. They accused her of killing her child so there was something that raised a red flag. Was it because she was intoxicated or tunnel vision on their part?

No need to reply....I'm off this topic. Maybe Dr. Phil will ask her.

It would be great if we could submit a list of questions we want him to ask DB & JI. LOL

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It goes both ways though. If one believes she didn't harm Lisa, why wouldn't they believe her when she says she was drunk?

I'm trying to get the point of your post. Are you saying if a person believes that Debbie didn't harm Lisa, then that means they have to believe everything she says without question?

 

[~n/t~]

I'm trying to get the point of your post. Are you saying if a person believes that Debbie didn't harm Lisa, then that means they have to believe everything she says without question?

I have no control over what people want to believe or not. Personally, if I think someone is lying, they lose all credibility especially in a missing person case.

I believe she was drunk. I believe she may have passed out. I believe she failed the polygraph. I believe she did NOT harm Lisa.

 

[flipflop]

This is WRONG!
JeezLouise, I thought you guys paid attention to what was said on the videos and in interviews. If it's not a direct quote or something I hear with my own ears, then it's not totally reliable.

Debbie was asked "Could you have blacked out". Her answer was "It's possible". That does NOT mean she blacked out. Anyone that has been drinking would have to honestly answer "It's possible" because one has no way of being certain if they did blackout.

Further, Deb was asked "were you drunk". Deb answered "yes". That was a foolish answer imo. Unfortunately for her, she didn't have time to prepare for such a question. What is drunk? There is anything from feeling a buzz to being passed out unconscious and all kinds of degrees in between. I choose to believe that she was not staggering drunk.

Deb's not being certain if she checked on Lisa is because this is something she does on auto-pilot. I think this is also why both DB and JI's stories have some changes. Not everyone remembers every move they make and the order in which they make them.

It is very offensive to me, as a previous regular social drinker, to hear labels like 'sloshed' 'drunk out of her mind', etc. Having a couple drinks a few times a week does not equate to a lush.

The answer may seem foolish, but to someone who is covering something up, being drunk means not remembering anything, therefore, all her answers can be "I don't remember".