Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[alwaysonmymind]

Wondering what your "gut" is on the lie detector portion of the interview is??? First, I'm a firm believer (pun intended) in lie detector analysis.... And because JT can put a spin on just about anything, I'm trying to figure out what he was really told by le that would allow him to spin his response so absolutely....that she 100% passed the lie detector test.
Usually I can see right through it... do you think he was lying? I'm not naive enough to think that defense attorneys don't lie, but typically it's in the form of spin. Do you think db passed the poly?

I believe it's how it was worded.

The technicians use words like 'shows deception.' Not passed or failed.

Jmo

 

[Donjeta]

Wondering what your "gut" is on the lie detector portion of the interview is??? First, I'm a firm believer (pun intended) in lie detector analysis.... And because JT can put a spin on just about anything, I'm trying to figure out what he was really told by le that would allow him to spin his response so absolutely....that she 100% passed the lie detector test.
Usually I can see right through it... do you think he was lying? I'm not naive enough to think that defense attorneys don't lie, but typically it's in the form of spin. Do you think db passed the poly?

I don't know if she passed or not (and I don't really care because either way it's mathematically impossible that everything she has said is true at the same time)

But my first impressions were (quoting from Sherbie's post)

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JT: I spoke to them about that, Dr. Phil, and, of course, you know, they said, "Well, we never said she failed a polygraph test."

"We never said she did" is not the same as "she didn't"

JT: That is 100% accurate. She did not fail a polygraph, and I defy them to show us a failed polygraph. They told me she didn't.

This bit is incongruent and less than logical to me. If the police confirmed to him that she didn't fail the polygraph it's strange to say he defies them to show him a failed polygraph. You don't say that to people who agreed with you, you say that to people who argue and you want to prove them wrong. So on one hand he's saying that the police said she passed but the dare seems to imply they said she failed and he wants them to prove it to him.

 

[Valhall]

A quote from that link...bbm = Really? The Brandos don't even live together anymore. Maybe the 'source' should getting 'their' story straight before sharing it!

The source actually stated this - that they were very curious about why Debbie was stating the BrandoS had paid for her tattoo when the couple were not even supposed to be together any longer. So, as you can see, the source was as curious about this point as you are.

The source is close to the family.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The source actually stated this - that they were very curious about why Debbie was stating the BrandoS had paid for her tattoo when the couple were not even supposed to be together any longer. So, as you can see, the source was as curious about this point as you are.

The source is close to the family.

But I take it that your not at liberty to tell us your source?

 

[Sherbie]

As promised earlier, I checked the DVR again regarding the segment about the LDT. Here's that discussion, verbatim:

PM: Were you told you failed a LDT?

DB: I was told that.

PM: Do you know whether you did or not?

DB: But I have not seen the results. And my lawyer - they did not confirm it with my lawyer, and they did not show me the results.

JT: I spoke to them about that, Dr. Phil, and, of course, you know, they said, "Well, we never said she failed a polygraph test." Well, somebody did tell her that. I understand LE tactics. As a former LE official, I would oftentimes - and understand detectives are permitted to give misinformation to people during interviews for interrogation purposes.

I thought maybe, perhaps they thought if they told her that, she would crumple onto the floor and say, "Okay, fine, I did it." That didn't happen. She didn't fail a polygraph test, number one. Number two, you know, whether or not they did tell her that or they were authorized to, it was confirmed to me that, in fact, there was no failed polygraph by Deborah.

And again, that's just another one of those facts that was put out there and, unfortunately, bandied about for about a week, which gives people a misperception and also distracts, distracts from the real evidence in this case.

PM: So to be very clear, she did not fail a polygraph when they asked her, "Do you know what happened to your baby?" She did not fail that polygraph, although it's been reported that she was told she did?

JT: That is 100% accurate. She did not fail a polygraph, and I defy them to show us a failed polygraph. They told me she didn't.

I know...kinda gauche to quote my own post! :blushing: I wanted to keep the transcript for reference in making an observation, though.

Joe says over and over that DB did not fail a polygraph. Curiously, he never says she passed a polygraph, either (nor that LE told him she had passed one - he said LE said she didn't fail).

Now, if one wanted to argue wordplay, semantics, shrewd sleight of hand by a skilled attorney, could it be that the results were "inconclusive" vs. her having passed/failed? Perhaps that's why JT couldn't/didn't say she actually passed it?

If she didn't fail, the implication is that she passed. So why not say she did? IMO, saying she passed is a much more powerful statement and would be more to her benefit than saying she didn't fail.

Made me wonder. Thoughts?

 

[melissasmom]

Without a trace? Where would she put her? The dog wouldn't just be hitting in that one spot in their bedroom, imo. What about DB's clothes? Bedding? Or anything else that may have been used to transport the dead child? Do you think she carried her? Put her in the trunk of the car? There were no other hits that I'm aware of.

Do some honestly believe she committed the perfect crime?

As strange as that may seem, yes, many seem to believe that. A drunk, not very smart (as some commenters have stated), possibly on drugs (as some others have yet stated) DB, accidentally ( or on purpose) kills her child. Then, even though the baby's father is expected at practicaly any minute, she is then able to hide the child's body so well (with no vehicle) and clean up the scene so immaculately that not even trained investigators can find any evidence of the crime or locate the child's body.
Possible? Yes. Probable? Not in my opinion.

 

[Coldpizza]

Am I the only one that was sympathetic for DB after the interview? I haven't read back too many pages, but I was swayed today.

I guess I will add, I wasn't sure if her tears were for her or Baby Lisa, but I was sympathetic.

 

[In da Middle]

I believe the article quoted Stanton as saying "As far as he knows no "compensation" was given.

No absolute confirmation that they weren't paid in some fashion.

I'm most sure this interview didn't come without some form of "compensation".

The "new" and "unseen before" pictures and all and the fact that we know from Anthony case that these shows always pay but they have to have photos or something to hinge it on.

Sure the interview might be uncompensated but the photos were most likely compensated.

I am not talking article. I am talking what they said on live broadcast. They said they confirmed that NO compensation was had. Feel free to call the station to confirm. Can't provide a link to live broadcast.

 

[deoneta]

For those who feel the parents are innocent or are on the fence: if the parents are not involved, the attempted call to MW's phone narrows the suspect pool to Jersey and associates and MW's associates and housemates. Why do you think the parents aren't clamoring for a more thorough investigation of this group? Why aren't they demanding LE concentrate their investigation in this area. I would be on TV every night screaming for MW, Jersey, MW's housemates to come clean and tell what they know. Shouldn't they be calling LE every day asking if they had contacted every person who shows up on MW's phone records, appealing to neighbors to report anything they saw during this period, any vehicle, any pedestrian, no matter how innocuous the sighting might appear? Where's their anger, curiosity, desire for justice? I just don't get it. All MOO.

 

[Whisperer]

Joe T said there were three sightings of lisa and she was unclothed and the temp was 45%. Any one buying that? 45 degrees confirmed by their attorney

40 hours of interrogation was done seperately and together. Joe T. you are such a BSer

Dr phil is saying Joe T is there to clear up all the misinformation. Dr. phil questioned that and Joe T got very sesnsitve about it. He didn't expect dr. to do that...and said your producers said blah blah blah.

So there were three sightings of lisa in 45 degrees weather, unclothed and none of the witnesses thought much of it at the time. What a Croc!

They are really going for the Jersey scenario. It is a red herring..mo

 

[Sparklin]

The source actually stated this - that they were very curious about why Debbie was stating the BrandoS had paid for her tattoo when the couple were not even supposed to be together any longer. So, as you can see, the source was as curious about this point as you are.

The source is close to the family.

Thanks. I'm not a big believer in 'sources' any more than anyone else would be if it were a positive spin for D/J ~ anyone that has something important to say but won't publicly come out and say it, isn't credible in my opinion.

 

[Valhall]

But I take it that your not at liberty to tell us your source?

That would be correct, else I would have already stated who it was. I don't like quoting anonymous sources. I also won't out one when they have been kind enough to converse with me and allowing me to vet them as much as possible.

I never require that anyone accept a statement of a source I can't name. You're free to take it or leave it. I will continue to share information that I feel I'm comfortable with sharing.

 

[Whisperer]

Watching this again. Why is JI silent? He looks like a lump on a log. No emotion. None.

Lumps have more personality than this guy.

 

[Donjeta]

As strange as that may seem, yes, many seem to believe that. A drunk, not very smart (as some commenters have stated), possibly on drugs (as some others have yet stated) DB, accidentally ( or on purpose) kills her child. Then, even though the baby's father is expected at practicaly any minute, she is then able to hide the child's body so well (with no vehicle) and clean up the scene so immaculately that not even trained investigators can find any evidence of the crime or locate the child's body.
Possible? Yes. Probable? Not in my opinion.

If JI drove to work in the company van it would seem to leave the family vehicle in her care.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Am I the only one that was sympathetic for DB after the interview? I haven't read back too many pages, but I was swayed today.

Respectfully, some people are swayed by tears. I believe more in words and behavior because I know that some people can actually pull off a murder...or a cover-up. Just the fact that DB has changed her story is proof to me that something is not right with her story. The truth never changes. This is what makes me believe what I do and I believe that DB is directly responsible.

 

[In da Middle]

Oh year. How does one prove the negative?
:floorlaugh:

Ok, let's go with that. How does one prove 'I don't know'? How can somebody answer a question that they don't have an answer to other than "I don't know"?

 

[Sparklin]

Re: The Alcohol

DB says, "As soon as I was asked about it, I told the TRUTH!"

Ummm...does that mean you were lying, before? Lying by...omission, maybe?

Why not just say, "As soon as I was asked about it, I told them (LE)" instead of, "I told the TRUTH".

Huh.

I'm thinking she meant she told the truth. As opposed to lying about it or hedging or even saying she had a drink or two. Since she knows she is totally innocent, I can see where she didn't think that her drinking the night before would have any bearing...IMO

 

[Whisperer]

Don't you just love how DB like to take us to school on almost every subject?

 

[Velouria]

Thanks. I'm not a big believer in 'sources' any more than anyone else would be if it were a positive spin for D/J ~ anyone that has something important to say but won't publicly come out and say it, isn't credible in my opinion.

I certainly respect your right to that opinion.

In my opinion, parents who claim to want their missing baby home, yet refuse to cooperate with LE are not credible.

Different strokes.

 

[In da Middle]

NOTHING mentioned about Lisa having an ear infection or coming off an ear infection. She did have a bug bite under her left ear. She had a cough with a cold



http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...g-lists/story?id=14679914&page=2#.Tyxr08i-yGc

Those are physical descriptions used in the Amber Alert for somebody to look for if they see a baby that looks like her to distinguish her from other babies that look like her at the time. How would one know what to look for in a baby that cleared an ear infection? Especially if it was a casual encounter.