Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[octobermoon]

The point is not how many lights were left on. The point is not whether or not JI's expression was an exaggeration. The point is that in the beginning it seemed to have been alarming ~ but now it is not.

Why that change?

I am jumping in, still catching up on the thread

I found it odd that she says it was an exaggeration and he sits there and doesn't react. Doesn't say a word??? Nothing. Nada??? I thought he would at the very least pipe up and say "yeah, I was mad, we've been short on money and we don't need to run up the light bill...." But he just sits there. Never confirms or contradicts anything. The only time I saw him moved was when DB
talked about "her boys" and when the newborn pictures of Lisa where shown.

It could just be me, but his lack of emotion/s seems weird. It may be just me. I fell off the fence long ago.


JMO IMO MOO

 

[madge]

For some reason Deb has focused like a laser beam on the lights now.

I bet LE confronted them about the lights. JI was the one IN the door, NOT drunk or impaired. His first utterances were ALL THE LIGHTS were on. This means that lights inside the home that would normally NOT be on in the middle of the night were ON. Not meaning a night light or over the stove light!

The lights were FRESH on his mind UNLESS he is covering something up and told the tale about door being unlocked and ALL the lights being on,

Jeremy Irwin said these words for a reason. They didn't just roll off his head out of nowhere.

The little "inconsistencies" which Deb now decides are just totally stilly stuff is what will catch them up.

LE has their antennae up for a reason. They have no reason to pin this on the parents if the parents pass the "straight face test".

Why would LE want to let a kidnapper or child rapist/molestor/killer go free and focus on these 2 people for no reason.

Doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[annalia]

I can't even remember now which lights DB said were left on yesterday but here's an early interview where JI said which lights he found on. The person in this video giving his analysis is a bit annoying but it starts at about 2 minutes.

JI says the front living room light, two kitchen lights, the accent lights, a pumpkin light and it that was more than he'd expect.

Lisa Irwin Parents New Interview - My Body Language Analysis. MUST SEE. GMA. CJB - YouTube

I missed this when I first watched it. At around 1:15, after JI talks, DB was asked if she had turned the lights off and she says that she was told by the neighbors that she had turned the lights off.

So that means that a kidnapper came in and turned on a lamp in the front living room, two kitchen lights, the accent lights, a plug in pumpkin light?

 

[octobermoon]

I missed this when I first watched it. At around 1:15, after JI talks, DB was asked if she had turned the lights off and she says that she was told by the neighbors that she had turned the lights off.

So that means that a kidnapper came in and turned on a lamp in the front living room, two kitchen lights, the accent lights, a plug in pumpkin light?

I hadn't seen this video before. Thank you for posting the link. So it isn't just me that finds it odd.

 

[madge]

So that means that a kidnapper came in and turned on a lamp in the front living room, two kitchen lights, the accent lights, a plug in pumpkin light?

Well, according to Deb she first said she had turned all the lights off.

NOW her story (don't know if she's sticking to it past today or not) is that Jeremy didn't know what he was talking about when he told LE that all the lights were on in the house.

Exaggeration she says

WHY would he exaggerate such a story then (if it was true) and now they want to backtrack on the entire issue of the lights.

The lights being on/off in the home is now a big deal .. Police haven't said if they found any fingerprints inside the home that didn't belong to anyone that should have been in there.

REMEMBER LE has said they wish to ask Deb and JI about "who was in and out of that house THAT night" and they still have NOT got an answer to that question.


Wonder if that part of the country has "smart meters" installed for electricity usage? Wouldn't be really difficult for the utility company (from what I have read about "smart meters" to pull up the KWH being used at any particular moment. Would be very telling, they would know exactly what was on in the house based on wattage at that time.

I have read a lot about "smart meters" and it is a little disturbing what your utility company knows about you based on your smart meter pattern.

 

[matou]

I wonder if smart meters have been used forensically? It could be used in this case for sure.

 

[madge]

I wonder if smart meters have been used forensically? It could be used in this case for sure.

Don't know but they sure are interesting to read about. Don't have them in my area and don't want them.

 

[Sherbie]

What did you all make of the fact that JT seemed to have verified that burned baby clothes had been found?

I believe he was using LE's allegedly having told DB they found the clothing in the dumpster to DB's advantage. He wanted to connect it to one of the sightings in the "direct trajectory" he was talking about. Whether LE really found burned baby clothes in the dumpster remains unknown, IMO.

 

[madge]

Why suddenly do you reckon Deb is so focused about the lights. IMHO LE has questions about the lights and the stories from the parents. She's trying to deflect IMHO about the lights, make JI look a lil foolish and all.

 

[Sherbie]

By not just focusing on that one sentence, but the entire context of the conversation they are having at the time, I take it as she is not saying that is what he said, but what others are exaggerating about that is what he said. Aren't they, at that time, talking about what others are misstating?

The entire context of the conversation was that they wanted to let people know that JI didn't actually find most or all of the lights on as he/they had originally said (not b/c other people were exaggerating it).

DB talked about JI being an electrician and always aware of the lights, always going behind her turning them off. She was clearly saying that because of his hypervigilance with lights, he had exaggerated when he said most/all (<---take your pick, doesn't matter) the lights were on.

They didn't compare notes on the lights early on because they were focused solely on Lisa, she said. Now that they've had a chance to sort it out, they want us to know that only a few specific lights were actually on.

The point really wasn't about outsiders exaggerating anything. The point was that they, after having time to reflect on it, wanted to clarify that their original contention about the number of lights was incorrect and that the change shouldn't be viewed as an inconsistency, but rather a clarification.

 

[melissasmom]

I am jumping in, still catching up on the thread

I found it odd that she says it was an exaggeration and he sits there and doesn't react. Doesn't say a word??? Nothing. Nada??? I thought he would at the very least pipe up and say "yeah, I was mad, we've been short on money and we don't need to run up the light bill...." But he just sits there. Never confirms or contradicts anything. The only time I saw him moved was when DB
talked about "her boys" and when the newborn pictures of Lisa where shown.

It could just be me, but his lack of emotion/s seems weird. It may be just me. I fell off the fence long ago.


JMO IMO MOO

I am just kind of jumping off this post as far as the way Jeremy "acts". Some people here find him to be "off" or strange, or whatever. In fact I beilieve someone said he should "buy a personality" which I thought was very offensive and rude.
Now this is obviously just my opinon, I don't know Jeremy, so I am just basing this off of what I have seen. My husband has mannerisms, etc. which are very similar to what I have seen of Jeremy. My hubby is very very shy. He feels very uncomfortable with any kind of attention directed at him. He really doesn't have very good social skills so he doesn't speak unless he HAS to. This also extends into how he shows emotion. He doesn't, at least not in public. It doesn't mean he doesn't HAVE emotions or that he is some kind of sociopath or weirdo, it is just how he is. I think it is most likely a combination of extreme shyness and partly because this is how he was raised, men are not supposed to show their feelings.
I am very outgoing. I will talk to just about anyone, and I have no problems expressing my opinion or views. When we go somewhere, pretty much anywhere, my husband always says, "Ok, you are going to do all the talking, right?" He WANTS me to do all the talking. I guess because he is afraid he will say the wrong thing or make himself look foolish, or something. He is perfectly happy to sit there not saying a word.

Now, this does NOT mean that I "wear the pants" in the family ( I actually find this term offensive, but whatever). We make decisons together, if he has a problem with something then he tells me. If there is something that we know is his "area of expertise" then he handles it (computer stuff, etc.) But just because I have a "stronger" personality doesn't mean he exists like a bump on a log and does nothing and I call all the shots. It is just his personality.

And yes, as far as the showng emotions thing goes, even when my daughter passed away my hubby showed no emotion whatsoever in front of other people. He cried at home, in front of me, but even at the funeral he was very stoic and just had a frozen expression on his face. I think Jeremy acts like this because it is just HIS personality.

And all of this long rant is just my opinion.

 

[madge]

JI's demeanor is fascinating as well. It's obvious who wears the pants in the family and I found it odd that JI was describing the "addition" of Baby Lisa to the family in a way that made it sound like she was "necessary" in order to complete the family and keep the family unit together. I found his words a bit odd and wonder if they were having a lot of problems and they decided to have a baby to "cement" the relationship. Like she was a means to an end.

JMHO as always.

Maybe Baby Lisa didn't mend the family problems and became a distration. Not far fetched if you look at mothers who have killed their children in the past. They want rid of them so they can party, have fun with girlfriends, shop, get away from the duties and all. At ten months old Baby Lisa was not even in the rowdy stage, she had all of that to go through yet.

 

[Sherbie]

From Sherbie's transcription in the beginning of the thread:


FWIW that's what I remember them saying too from watching the live stream. The clip on the Dr. Phil site about the light cuts off in the middle of the discussion but maybe someone who DVR'd it can verify the exact wording.

I have a brunch & trivia date with hubby in a few. :woohoo:But I'll be happy to transcribe that segment from the DVR later.

 

[francie]

So what have we got? Exaggerations, Misunderstandings, Media and Blog gossip, and slightly iffy handling by LE. Still no proof of any involvement by Debbie or Jeremy. And after what has been done to those two, I wouldn't be keen on talking to anyone either if I were them.
The best that can be hoped for now is keeping Lisa out there Nationally because it is highly unlikely that Lisa is anywhere local.
And I perfectly understand why Debbie is defensive because she knows that someone will twist everything she says.

If they wanted to find their baby, why wouldn't they talk to EVERYONE?? That makes no sense, the media & police are there to help. Yet they go on McGraw for a contrived interview that's supposedly for MEDIA attention to find Lisa after 3 months of silence? Yah okay! They are fortunate to have so much attention when other missing children get none but Debbie still SHUNS them every day & hides in her house, except to tell local media to watch her tv show!
Debbie was the last one to see her sick, coughing child & she STILL won't tell the truth about that night. She is responsible for whatever happened to Lisa & she's defensive because she's caught & is still trying to get away with it, which makes me think murder because why hide an accident. And she seems so happy now, without her baby. All JMO.

 

[cityslick]

So Deb told the Judge she turned all the lights off.

Back from the dungeon....

Doesn't this consolidate with SB saying 'all lights were off in the house at 11:30pm'?

 

[octobermoon]

I am just kind of jumping off this post as far as the way Jeremy "acts". Some people here find him to be "off" or strange, or whatever. In fact I beilieve someone said he should "buy a personality" which I thought was very offensive and rude.
Now this is obviously just my opinon, I don't know Jeremy, so I am just basing this off of what I have seen. My husband has mannerisms, etc. which are very similar to what I have seen of Jeremy. My hubby is very very shy. He feels very uncomfortable with any kind of attention directed at him. He really doesn't have very good social skills so he doesn't speak unless he HAS to. This also extends into how he shows emotion. He doesn't, at least not in public. It doesn't mean he doesn't HAVE emotions or that he is some kind of sociopath or weirdo, it is just how he is. I think it is most likely a combination of extreme shyness and partly because this is how he was raised, men are not supposed to show their feelings.
I am very outgoing. I will talk to just about anyone, and I have no problems expressing my opinion or views. When we go somewhere, pretty much anywhere, my husband always says, "Ok, you are going to do all the talking, right?" He WANTS me to do all the talking. I guess because he is afraid he will say the wrong thing or make himself look foolish, or something. He is perfectly happy to sit there not saying a word.

Now, this does NOT mean that I "wear the pants" in the family ( I actually find this term offensive, but whatever). We make decisons together, if he has a problem with something then he tells me. If there is something that we know is his "area of expertise" then he handles it (computer stuff, etc.) But just because I have a "stronger" personality doesn't mean he exists like a bump on a log and does nothing and I call all the shots. It is just his personality.

And yes, as far as the showng emotions thing goes, even when my daughter passed away my hubby showed no emotion whatsoever in front of other people. He cried at home, in front of me, but even at the funeral he was very stoic and just had a frozen expression on his face. I think Jeremy acts like this because it is just HIS personality.

And all of this long rant is just my opinion.

I guess I just "see" this differently. I am way shy in real life. Wallpaper not even a wall flower. But when push comes to shove I will stand up for myself and my family. He doesn't comfort her. She is obviously upset, crying and he doesn't reach for her hand. I am not saying he should become someone he is not. Nor should he change for public opinion. It is just odd how he does nothing to assist her. I am not talking about PDA, , a glance her way to reassure her. He wont look at her. Why? Nothing???? It is just odd to me.



IMO JMO MOO

 

[cityslick]

If they wanted to find their baby, why wouldn't they talk to EVERYONE?? That makes no sense, the media & police are there to help. Yet they go on McGraw for a contrived interview that's supposedly for MEDIA attention to find Lisa after 3 months of silence? Yah okay! They are fortunate to have so much attention when other missing children get none but Debbie still SHUNS them every day & hides in her house, except to tell local media to watch her tv show!
Debbie was the last one to see her sick, coughing child & she STILL won't tell the truth about that night. She is responsible for whatever happened to Lisa & she's defensive because she's caught & is still trying to get away with it, which makes me think murder because why hide an accident. And she seems so happy now, without her baby. All JMO.

She doesn't look happy to me IMO. She looks like someone that has a ton of guilt to live with. What that guilt actually is....we don't know for sure yet.

 

[cityslick]

I guess I just "see" this differently. I am way shy in real life. Wallpaper not even a wall flower. But when push comes to shove I will stand up for myself and my family. He doesn't comfort her. She is obviously upset, crying and he doesn't reach for her hand. I am not saying he should become someone he is not. Nor should he change for public opinion. It is just odd how he does nothing to assist her. I am not talking about PDA, , a glance her way to reassure her. He wont look at her. Why? Nothing???? It is just odd to me.



IMO JMO MOO

I mentioned in the beginning of the thread, I've actually come across a couple of folks (guys) that have JI's exact demeanor. I mean, exact. A bomb could go off down the street and they would look the exact same way as if the sun had just came out. The irony is they actually are decent, loving folks (that I know of), they just are very private and closed in.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[octobermoon]

Back from the dungeon....

Doesn't this consolidate with SB saying 'all lights were off in the house at 11:30pm'?

BBM what or where is that? I don't understand.

 

[cityslick]

BBM what or where is that? I don't understand.

My figure of speech for a TO.