Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[CHERIE.T]

Having watched the interview I didn't see any "shocking" things. Just more "inconsistencies" (some might call them lies, others might gloss over them) and a way for DB to try and show the public what a good mother she is. JI was basically invisible. Perhaps that's his personality though. DB is definitely more vocal.

I don't believe possible tattoos, shiny hair etc necessarily show innocence or guilt. I don't think some of the inconsistencies show innocence or guilt. They might, but it's not a given.

I think the question of innocence and guilt in this case is quite elemental, basic. It takes you back to where it started: the primary caregiving of Lisa.

The person she depended on that evening; the person that with all her might should have tried to protect her from possible harm, preffered "me time" and made the very specific, deliberate decision to get drunk.

DB chose her own needs above those of Lisa, a child who was sick no less. So when we ask if she is guilty or innocent, the answer to me is simple. I'm not a legal eagle so in the legal sense this is debatable but as a human being with values DB's behavior that night shows she is guilty. Guilty of negligence, child endangerment.

And that's enough for me. I don't know what happened that night. Maybe there was an accident, maybe there was an abduction. One of the saddest parts for me is that a crime started (long) before Lisa disappeared. The moment DB chose "me time" is when she lost her "innocent" - card and nothing can change that for me.

And yes, people make mistakes. But it's only a mistake when you intended not for it to happen. DB intended to get drunk, since she kept drinking. She made the choice that night to choose herself. And sadly, I haven't seen much to suggest she isn't still choosing herself ever since.

All my opinion :twocents:

Imho, you made a great post Magnifying Glass.

bbm-imho

 

[NFYIAMY]

I think the drinking plays into it. People can take not checking on the kid. They can't take not checking on the kid while your drinking. Because that makes it seem you are casting your child aside while you do your own thing. The fact that she admits she got drunk furthers this thought process.

She shouldn't have been drinking, at least not to the point of intoxification. Not because BL went missing, but because it's a neglectful thing to do.

Ya know - I guess I can look back to a couple (and my kids are about all grown 16, 20 & 23 and I could count the number of times on one hand and have fingers left over....) but I can say there was a night or two during their lives where I might have had a girlfriend over, drank a glass or two more wine then I probably needed - BUT - I knew my husband would be home and he would look in on the kids then - so my drinking after I had put them to bed wouldn't have been a huge deal to me. Hubby would be home at some point, check in on them and me - no big deal.

Maybe DB was thinking the same thing: Lisa's sleeping - she wasn't feeling very well so I'm gonna let her rest and sleep - JI will be home in a few hours and I'm sure he'll check on her........KWIM?

 

[katydid23]

If this was the case, I would think the dogs would have indicated this on the bed. The bed and bedding for this bed was all still there.

The baby could have been unconscious on the bed, mom puts her on the floor to do CPR,but Lisa dies right there, exactly where the dogs hit. ?

 

[melissasmom]

I have to get something off my chest. It's about a lot of people on here saying what a horrible mother she was for putting her child in bed and not checking on her for all those hours.

I have a daughter who is almost 17 now. When she was an baby, I put her to bed at 6 p.m. and she woke up every morning at exactly 6 a.m. I NEVER once in all those months checked on her (after the age of 4 months when I took her out of her bassinet and let her sleep in her crib) throughout the night. This is coming from a fairly neurotic and overly protective first-time mom who cared for her daughter VERY well. The main reason I didn't check on her was because I had a baby monitor always by my side - I could hear every single breath she made - but, also, she was an extremely light sleeper and had I gone in to check on her, she would have woken up.

I just don't understand why so many think she is a horrible mother for not checking on her child throughout the night. Was *I* a horrible mother? Hardly.

Thanks Meri. That is repeated over and over again, about her not checking on Lisa. Now, when my first 2 were babies, I checked on them a couple times a night normally. Then a decade later, I had my youngest 2. I will admit I very rarely checked on them, because, like your child, my boys were VERY light sleepers. All I had to do was crack that door open and they were awake. If they weren't making noise (coughing,crying, etc.) then I didn't go in there. Yes, I think if you have a tiny newborn with a cold you would want to check on them in case you need to clear out their nose or whatever. But a 10 month old, I dont see anything wrong with that. If a baby is having discomfort, pain, whatever, they are going to cry and let you know.

 

[mrsu]

See...that's not how things work in the real world of Law Enforcement. The real world isn't a sound bite and decisions are made within LE about strategies and what to do next on each case. LE isn't CSI Miami and have to solve the case in 60 minutes. Sometimes it takes years. Please don't take this personally because I don't mean it to be, but if you are basing your belief that she is not guilty on the fact that she hasn't been arrested yet, that is just incredible. Again, I suggest that every one of us take ONLY the things that we KNOW and base our beliefs on that. We can't base anything on media or rumors.

Absolutely not. I'm not that naive. I have said previously I DO NOT KNOW what happened and I am on the fence. I crucified her in the beginning, but I have been shown absolutely ZERO evidence that DB was involved. Again, I'm not saying that it is FACT that she isn't involved, I just can't put it together in my head in a way that makes sense TO ME. I simply do not see someone drunk off their murdering a baby, dumping a baby, dropping some clothes off in the dumpster, staging the scene of the home, cleaning any possible evidence, and in bed sleeping like nothing ever happened. No trace of her in the car? Did she carry her down the street? Drunk? And unseen? I doubt it. I have also not seen any verified or even credible rumors that she had an accomplice, so that leaves me back at square one.

 

[Meri]

The image was NOT walking in the bright lights of the gas station. It was walking along the street, across the street from the gas station. That is exactly why it is a blob instead of a clear image like the people and vehicles that actually ARE at the gas station. It is walking exactly where a person that is trying not to be on the cameras would walk.

I didn't care for the way Joe said they had THREE sightings of the man carrying a baby, including the one from the gas station, as FACT. Notice how he also said the man was coming out of a wooded area?

 

[norest4thewicked]

I have to get something off my chest. It's about a lot of people on here saying what a horrible mother she was for putting her child in bed and not checking on her for all those hours.

I have a daughter who is almost 17 now. When she was an baby, I put her to bed at 6 p.m. and she woke up every morning at exactly 6 a.m. I NEVER once in all those months checked on her (after the age of 4 months when I took her out of her bassinet and let her sleep in her crib) throughout the night. This is coming from a fairly neurotic and overly protective first-time mom who cared for her daughter VERY well. The main reason I didn't check on her was because I had a baby monitor always by my side - I could hear every single breath she made - but, also, she was an extremely light sleeper and had I gone in to check on her, she would have woken up.

I just don't understand why so many think she is a horrible mother for not checking on her child throughout the night. Was *I* a horrible mother? Hardly.

I don't think that she was a horrible mother. I just don't think that your situation is the same as DB's. You didn't mention being drunk or drinking for hours before your child came up missing. Also, you said that you listened to every breath your daughter took through a baby monitor. DB admitted that she didn't hear anything on the baby monitor. I believe we found out that it wasn't turned on. Did DB have the monitor outside by her side while she was outside for all those hours? You are not comparable with DB, in my opinion.

 

[Jacie Estes]

BBM What is the type?


(cityslick, was it cold in the dungeon? 'cause I think I am headed that way )

As for 'the type'; I see children that were clean, well dressed and smiling. No dark circles under the eyes or runny noses. The house, while modest, is clean and nicely furnished. Deborah seems like a young mother who is keeping it together with one of her children missing. She does NOT look like a tweaker or a druggie. IMHO

Not really cold but there are cookies; bring coffee.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

It just comes across as lying if you don't honestly say that you don't remember.

No disrespect meant, but not to all of us.
Hardly a night goes by that I don't turn off the outside light at the back door, and even though I have to step over a barrier to keep the schnauzers out of the cats' domain, walk 10 feet to the switch, ten minutes later I'm asking myself if I turned it off and have to do the same routine again. some nights my wife, who has a bum leg will ask me if I turned it off so she doesn't have to do the obstacle course, and I'll say "yes I did". Next morning when I take the furkids out past the back door the light may or may not be on. I don't feel I LIE to my wife when I say I did. I think I did and may not have and vise versa, sometimes I think I forgot and go back to do it and it is off.

While we are still whipping the same dead horse, last night I went to bed first, I asked my wife if she turned off the lights and she said she did. when I got up today I turned off the night light in the dining room, the hall night light was still on, and the light in the fireplace was on. Did she LIE to me? Heck no, I expect those lights to be on so we can find our way around when we get up during the wee hours of the morning.

Do I admit or omit information when it comes to new tools in my shop? Not going there ....... :floorlaugh:

 

[Donjeta]

The image was NOT walking in the bright lights of the gas station. It was walking along the street, across the street from the gas station. That is exactly why it is a blob instead of a clear image like the people and vehicles that actually ARE at the gas station. It is walking exactly where a person that is trying not to be on the cameras would walk.

Couldn't it be where a person would walk if it was along his route and he had no business going to the gas station?

 

[katydid23]

I have to get something off my chest. It's about a lot of people on here saying what a horrible mother she was for putting her child in bed and not checking on her for all those hours.

I have a daughter who is almost 17 now. When she was an baby, I put her to bed at 6 p.m. and she woke up every morning at exactly 6 a.m. I NEVER once in all those months checked on her (after the age of 4 months when I took her out of her bassinet and let her sleep in her crib) throughout the night. This is coming from a fairly neurotic and overly protective first-time mom who cared for her daughter VERY well. The main reason I didn't check on her was because I had a baby monitor always by my side - I could hear every single breath she made - but, also, she was an extremely light sleeper and had I gone in to check on her, she would have woken up.

I just don't understand why so many think she is a horrible mother for not checking on her child throughout the night. Was *I* a horrible mother? Hardly.

You said that you were always listening to the baby monitor, kept at your side. But she was not sitting on the porch listening to the baby monitor. Her infant had an earache, but was put to bed without ever being checked on further. That is irresponsible behavior, imo. And she began drinking at 5:30, totally ignoring the older boys needs as well, imo.

 

[melissasmom]

I think the drinking plays into it. People can take not checking on the kid. They can't take not checking on the kid while your drinking. Because that makes it seem you are casting your child aside while you do your own thing. The fact that she admits she got drunk furthers this thought process.

She shouldn't have been drinking, at least not to the point of intoxification. Not because BL went missing, but because it's a neglectful thing to do.

Oh cityslick I HAVE seen people question the not checking on Lisa, not even in relation to the drinking. Yes indeed I have. usually they are the kind of people who say "I checked my baby every 7 minutes from the time they were born until the age of 5." Ok, that's an exaggeration, but I think you know what I mean.

People are/were saying the same thing in the Ayla Reynolds case. I guess they put her to bed and no one checked on her until the next morning. I have no opinion really in that case, I haven't followed it as closely.

 

[NFYIAMY]

Couldn't it be where a person would walk if it was along his route and he had no business going to the gas station?

Then I can't help but wonder why that person hasn't come forward?

 

[Donjeta]

No disrespect meant, but not to all of us.
Hardly a night goes by that I don't turn off the outside light at the back door, and even though I have to step over a barrier to keep the schnauzers out of the cats' domain, walk 10 feet to the switch, ten minutes later I'm asking myself if I turned it off and have to do the same routine again. some nights my wife, who has a bum leg will ask me if I turned it off so she doesn't have to do the obstacle course, and I'll say "yes I did". Next morning when I take the furkids out past the back door the light may or may not be on. I don't feel I LIE to my wife when I say I did. I think I did and may not have and vise versa, sometimes I think I forgot and go back to do it and it is off.

While we are still whipping the same dead horse, last night I went to bed first, I asked my wife if she turned off the lights and she said she did. when I got up today I turned off the night light in the dining room, the hall night light was still on, and the light in the fireplace was on. Did she LIE to me? Heck no, I expect those lights to be on so we can find our way around when we get up during the wee hours of the morning.

Do I admit or omit information when it comes to new tools in my shop? Not going there ....... :floorlaugh:

With all due respect, none of those things are nearly the same thing as making up some approximate time that you might or might not have seen your missing child for the last time.

It's actually a bit important if you know that your child was safe in her bed last night at 10.30 or not.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I was waiting for Phil to say at the end of the show it was a fact if you say gullible real slow it sounds like you are saying orange.

 

[norest4thewicked]

psssst, I haven't checked if the shower part of your question was answered, but your massive packaging question was.

I checked and it hasn't been answered. But, the answer to my question about the packaging was sort of answered to my satisfaction. Today, I talked personally to another expert in this area and they have a different thought on this, so I think that I will just keep this as a thought in the back of my mind and not defend it here.

 

[melissasmom]

You said that you were always listening to the baby monitor, kept at your side. But she was not sitting on the porch listening to the baby monitor. Her infant had an earache, but was put to bed without ever being checked on further. That is irresponsible behavior, imo. And she began drinking at 5:30, totally ignoring the older boys needs as well, imo.

But if Lisa had pain in her ear, then I imagine she would have cried. A baby will not lay silently suffering, if they hurt, they are going to let you know they hurt. If DB didn't hear it outside then one of the kids probably would have said "Hey, the baby's crying." This doesn't mean that I agree with DB's drinking, I'm just pointing that out.

 

[Donjeta]

Then I can't help but wonder why that person hasn't come forward?

He might be afraid of being accused of being a kidnapper.

But do we know he hasn't called LE and said it was me but please don't make headlines about it?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

You certainly jumped to a lot of conclusions for me there but...I didn't say it was while she was out on the porch.

As I said, I'm trying to understand your theory not jump to conclusions. When do you think the drowning or whatever happened in the bathtub? What exactly do you think happened in the bathtub? I'm open to any theory that makes sense and has more probability than possibilities especially.

If you have already explained the when, where, how and why, just point me to the post, no need to retype it all.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I've got a question. Really has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, just curious of people's opinion.

Based on what we know or heard, do you think DB loved her daughter?

I'm sure Deborah loves Baby Lisa. Unfortunately, it is the degree that is in question. I have to conclude that she now regrets Lisa's (and the boys') safety took a back seat to her "Mommy Time." Maybe she loved her Mommy Time more than Baby Lisa?