Deborah Bradley & Jeremy Irwin - Dr. Phil Interview - 3 February 2012 #2

[NFYIAMY]

He might be afraid of being accused of being a kidnapper.

But do we know he hasn't called LE and said it was me but please don't make headlines about it?

True. LE could know and not be telling it. I personally think that would be a piece of info that they would want to put out there --- to put pressure on whoever is responsible if for no other reason.....

As for being able to say with complete accuracy that a child with an ear infection WOULD cry, WOULD be fussy ----- I can't agree. I have one son who NEVER cried, fussed, complained - nada -- through many ear infections (eventually they were so bad that he had to have tubes put in, too!). Those are things we can speculate - but I don't think they can be covered by a blanket statement that it is fact. JMO

 

[Meri]

But if Lisa had pain in her ear, then I imagine she would have cried. A baby will not lay silently suffering, if they hurt, they are going to let you know they hurt. If DB didn't hear it outside then one of the kids probably would have said "Hey, the baby's crying." This doesn't mean that I agree with DB's drinking, I'm just pointing that out.

Also, do we know for certain that DB didn't have the monitor on the porch that night? I don't recall anything being said about that.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

The baby could have been unconscious on the bed, mom puts her on the floor to do CPR,but Lisa dies right there, exactly where the dogs hit. ?

jumping off your post, why not call 9-1-1 when her attempts didn't help?

 

[Donjeta]

I have to get something off my chest. It's about a lot of people on here saying what a horrible mother she was for putting her child in bed and not checking on her for all those hours.

I have a daughter who is almost 17 now. When she was an baby, I put her to bed at 6 p.m. and she woke up every morning at exactly 6 a.m. I NEVER once in all those months checked on her (after the age of 4 months when I took her out of her bassinet and let her sleep in her crib) throughout the night. This is coming from a fairly neurotic and overly protective first-time mom who cared for her daughter VERY well. The main reason I didn't check on her was because I had a baby monitor always by my side - I could hear every single breath she made - but, also, she was an extremely light sleeper and had I gone in to check on her, she would have woken up.

I just don't understand why so many think she is a horrible mother for not checking on her child throughout the night. Was *I* a horrible mother? Hardly.

If you were listening to her breathing it sounds like you did an awful lot of constant checking on her.

Did DB say anything about a baby monitor?

 

[norest4thewicked]

Do we know exactly when she changed the time? How many days after she initially said 10:30pm?

Have you never recollected things more clearly days after thinking about it some more?

I don't personally know exactly what time she changed it. I'm sure those that follow the links do. I am just going on the fact that it was in the very early days and was the reason I fell off the fence.

 

[katydid23]

But if Lisa had pain in her ear, then I imagine she would have cried. A baby will not lay silently suffering, if they hurt, they are going to let you know they hurt. If DB didn't hear it outside then one of the kids probably would have said "Hey, the baby's crying." This doesn't mean that I agree with DB's drinking, I'm just pointing that out.

If the baby is in her room behind a closed door and her brothers have a little friend over to watch movies, and all of the adults are outside drinking on the stoop, I am going to guess that any cries from Lisa are liable to be ignored. I bet the boys had the tv on pretty loud and were distracted by the 4 yr old friend. The new neighbor that had stopped by to visit the women outside said he never saw either of them go inside or heard them discuss the baby. I don't think she was a big priority that evening, imo.

 

[NFYIAMY]

I'm sure Deborah loves Baby Lisa. Unfortunately, it is the degree that is in question. I have to conclude that she now regrets Lisa's (and the boys') safety took a back seat to her "Mommy Time." Maybe she loved her Mommy Time more than Baby Lisa?

Those kinds of comments frustrate me SO much. I'm a GREAT mom. I've raised not one, not two, but THREE amazing sons who I love more than life itself. They are grown, contributing members of society, with great lives. I have lived and would die for my children.

I also had 'mommy time' during their childhood. There's a wise saying of "you have to take care of yourself so that you can truly take care of others" --

For all we know DB had 2 glasses of wine before knowing all the children were asleep - and then she drank 2, 4, 6, more glasses. To say she loved her 'mommy time' more than her baby is just well, harsh.

 

[Donjeta]

True. LE could know and not be telling it. I personally think that would be a piece of info that they would want to put out there --- to put pressure on whoever is responsible if for no other reason.....

As for being able to say with complete accuracy that a child with an ear infection WOULD cry, WOULD be fussy ----- I can't agree. I have one son who NEVER cried, fussed, complained - nada -- through many ear infections (eventually they were so bad that he had to have tubes put in, too!). Those are things we can speculate - but I don't think they can be covered by a blanket statement that it is fact. JMO

Yes, children are different but DB said that she put Lisa to bed early because she was fussy so she does not appear to have been that sort of baby who never cries or fusses.

 

[In da Middle]

I'm not saying it's not far fetched, but I want to at least know it was followed up on thoroughly and ruled out 100%.

Kidnappers do weird things sometimes. Some of them have taken their victims out in broad daylight, except here, it's 4am in the dark of the night, with probably not too many people driving around.

Yes, Shawn Hornback comes to mind. Hidden in plain sight. Allowed to ride a bike and socialize with friends, even. Elizabeth Smart was taken out in public many times also. I could go on but it seems repetitive. Plain sight is not all that uncommon so in the dark of the night doesn't sound like much of a stretch.

 

[octobermoon]

As for 'the type'; I see children that were clean, well dressed and smiling. No dark circles under the eyes or runny noses. The house, while modest, is clean and nicely furnished. Deborah seems like a young mother who is keeping it together with one of her children missing. She does NOT look like a tweaker or a druggie. IMHO

Not really cold but there are cookies; bring coffee.

Cookies too??? Sheesh I have been out of the loop

Seriously I have a huge problem when people say "he/she" is innocent because they don't look like the type.

(coffee check, space heater check, milk for the cookies check, exercise video check, bikini nope.)

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I don't think the one boy was ever in bed with her. I think it was the baby and the other boy.

 

[katydid23]

jumping off your post, why not call 9-1-1 when her attempts didn't help?

Good question. Maybe the baby had been 'drugged' by mom to sleep soundly, and so she was afraid to call for help. Or maybe mom was high and didn't want to lose her boys too.

 

[Meri]

But, Meri, her normal (according to her own statements) routine was just the opposite of yours. She said she always checked on Baby Lisa before she went to bed herself. That's why she thinks she did the night she was drunk ~ even though she now admits she has no specific memory of doing so.

So, if the above routine is true, then it only follows that when the same sweet baby is sick that she would check on her even more often. . . It's the inconsistency in her own routine that seems bothersome here.

You know, you make a very good point here. Thanks!

 

[In da Middle]

I disagree that she needed help. For a long time I thought for sure she needed help, but someone else convinced me that if DB is capable of carrying Lisa, then she's capable of disposing of her body. I do think DB tried to get help, thus the phone call to MW's phone (to try to reach Jersey, perhaps).

Think about what Casey Anthony did, all by herself. Unbelievable that no one saw her pulling Caylee's body into the woods on Suburban Drive.

But Casey left evidence and much more would have been easy to detect if she had not had 31 days head start. If she would have only had a very limited time frame with all of the searching that was done immediately there is no way she would have gotten away with it. Even for a little while. In her case the dogs did hit in multiple locations and was verified by multiple dogs. If the area was searched, Caylee would have been found - immediately. No comparison.

 

[redheadedgal]

large-sized woman smothers 6 mo. old baby in bed...
mother drunk and high on drugs...
baby sedated w/ cough medicine to keep it quiet...
b/f had trouble waking mom...
second time this happened...
first time was an 18 mo. old....

sound familiar?

if an 18 mo. old can be smothered... ???!!

fwiw.


http://www.dadi.org/sleepmom.htm

 

[Meri]

If you were listening to her breathing it sounds like you did an awful lot of constant checking on her.

Did DB say anything about a baby monitor?

I mean physical checking. DB has said the monitor was always on, I believe.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Absolutely not. I'm not that naive. I have said previously I DO NOT KNOW what happened and I am on the fence. I crucified her in the beginning, but I have been shown absolutely ZERO evidence that DB was involved. Again, I'm not saying that it is FACT that she isn't involved, I just can't put it together in my head in a way that makes sense TO ME. I simply do not see someone drunk off their murdering a baby, dumping a baby, dropping some clothes off in the dumpster, staging the scene of the home, cleaning any possible evidence, and in bed sleeping like nothing ever happened. No trace of her in the car? Did she carry her down the street? Drunk? And unseen? I doubt it. I have also not seen any verified or even credible rumors that she had an accomplice, so that leaves me back at square one.

I can easily put my head around a person drunk off their (we only have her word for this) murdering a baby, dumping a baby, etc. We see people do it all the time. There are many cases out there where people have done this either to children or adults. Some were drunk, some weren't. Have you heard anything other than DB's report that she was "drunk off her ?" We don't know that "the car" was the one used to dispose of Lisa. Are you willing to believe that an abductor would carry a baby down the street but that it couldn't have happened with someone helping DB? The point boils down to the fact that NONE of us know what happened to Lisa. We can all have our opinions, but none of us KNOW.

 

[Donjeta]

But Casey left evidence and much more would have been easy to detect if she had not had 31 days head start. If she would have only had a very limited time frame with all of the searching that was done immediately there is no way she would have gotten away with it. Even for a little while. In her case the dogs did hit in multiple locations and was verified by multiple dogs. If the area was searched, Caylee would have been found - immediately. No comparison.

She apparently made it extremely easy for the cadaver dogs to hit because the body was not disposed of immediately and was left to bake leaving a strong smell that was perceived even by the human nose.

 

[In da Middle]

She may have had help. We don't know what LE knows. Or, the children were asleep at 11:30 and I can attest to the fact that children sleep HARD. She could have packaged the baby up, put the package in the car and driven for 2 minutes to the river, disposed of it and driven back home. She could have spent the rest of the time cleaning up and jumped into bed, forgetting to turn the lights off when she heard Jeremy's car.

If she would have used the car, the dogs should have hit on it. Oriah has so graciously explained that even with all of that packaging, especially if all of that packaging, you still have all of that transfer on YOUR hands. The dogs should have hit on the doorknobs, the door handles of the car, the steering wheel, the spot where the package laid.......

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Those kinds of comments frustrate me SO much. I'm a GREAT mom. I've raised not one, not two, but THREE amazing sons who I love more than life itself. They are grown, contributing members of society, with great lives. I have lived and would die for my children.

I also had 'mommy time' during their childhood. There's a wise saying of "you have to take care of yourself so that you can truly take care of others" --

For all we know DB had 2 glasses of wine before knowing all the children were asleep - and then she drank 2, 4, 6, more glasses. To say she loved her 'mommy time' more than her baby is just well, harsh.

Yes, hoppy, it was "harsh" and not easy for me to post. But I don't think that dancing around an elephant in the room accomplishes anything.

People make choices that indicate their preferences and priorities. On the night that Deborah's Lisa disappeared, Deborah made the choice to get drunk, in spite of the fact that she was solely responsible for them and their safety. I'm sure she now feels those priorities were wrong because she is paying the unimaginably painful price.

FGS, everyone has to have some personal time, but love requires being responsible enough to make sure your children are well attended before you take that time for yourself.