Defending against an intruder

[Tadpole12]

Quick Q?

So what kind of anti depressant. meds was PR prescribed?
JR 'admits' to prozac post murder?

 

[BBB167893]

I think it's the Rs who linked "99% chance" to a cancer patient. (I agree, by the way.)

How does one reconcile "cancer patient" with "Victory!" is a good question. I have an idea about that: during said cancer patient's treatment, they embraced a highly evangelical form of Protestant Christianity, which they credited with beating the disease. Beating...as in achieving "victory" over. Not to mention all of the various Biblical passages which use "Victory" in them.

Stuff that makes you go hmm...

 

[BBB167893]

Quick Q?

So what kind of anti depressant. meds was PR prescribed?
JR 'admits' to prozac post murder?

Try this: http://www.erichufschmid.net/Columbine/Columbine-Bollyn.html

This article, written just after Patsy's death, states:

After the killing, it was reported that both John and Patsy Ramsey were taking Prozac. In an October 1998 deposition, Mr. Ramsey was asked if he was "under the influence of any medication or alcohol."

"No alcohol, certainly, but I've been under a doctor's care for almost two years now and take Prozac," Ramsey said.

So that answers the question about him.

I believe in one of her interviews, Patsy admitted to taking Ativan and Prozac. It doesn't take long, either. On the fifth page, we get this little tidbit:

6 TOM HANEY: Okay. And are you

7 taking any medication?

8 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.

9 TOM HANEY: And what are you

10 taking?

11 PATSY RAMSEY: I take 30 milligrams

12 of Prozac a day, and Ativan, half a milligram as

13 needed.

14 TOM HANEY: When is the last time

15 you took either/or both of these?

16 PATSY RAMSEY: I took 20 milligrams

17 of Prozac this morning and I will take ten this

18 evening. And I took Ativan, half a milligram of

19 Ativan.

I think she said she was on Paxil as well.

If so, get a load of some of the side effects:

Contact your doctor promptly if you have any of the following side effects, especially if they are new symptoms or if they get worse: mood changes, anxiety, panic attacks, trouble sleeping, irritability, agitation, aggressiveness, severe restlessness, mania (mental and/or physical hyperactivity), thoughts of suicide or hurting yourself.

 

[DeeDee249]

Well, "Victory" doesn't really need to be associated with anything, but PR's sister DID say after PR died that "Now, she has her victory". So if that word is associated with anything, it is associated with PR.

 

[coloradokares]

Well, "Victory" doesn't really need to be associated with anything, but PR's sister DID say after PR died that "Now, she has her victory". So if that word is associated with anything, it is associated with PR.

I remember Pam saying that and I thought of the Ransom note and thought they see Heaven as Victory but seem to have little doubt they will be there. Time will tell I guess.

 

[BBB167893]

Well, "Victory" doesn't really need to be associated with anything, but PR's sister DID say after PR died that "Now, she has her victory". So if that word is associated with anything, it is associated with PR.

I forgot about that! TY.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I think it's the Rs who linked "99% chance" to a cancer patient. (I agree, by the way.)

How does one reconcile "cancer patient" with "Victory!" is a good question. I have an idea about that: during said cancer patient's treatment, they embraced a highly evangelical form of Protestant Christianity, which they credited with beating the disease. Beating...as in achieving "victory" over. Not to mention all of the various Biblical passages which use "Victory" in them.

Stuff that makes you go hmm...

Good luck with that one.

 

[BBB167893]

Good luck with that one.

Even if I'm right, not much I can do about it now.

I was thinking of starting a new thread on something we were all discussing earlier.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Just trying to establish a pattern.

Good. I sincerely hope you're right in your RDI position, because that means the threat is either gone or at least it is in front of you in a way you can study, analyze, scrutinize, etc. Plenty of RDI scenarios to come up with because of all the information that is available.

 

[BBB167893]

Good. I sincerely hope you're right in your RDI position, because that means the threat is either gone or at least it is in front of you in a way you can study, analyze, scrutinize, etc. Plenty of RDI scenarios to come up with because of all the information that is available.

Well, if I am right, I will derive no satisfaction from it. Just sadness. And the idea that the threat is gone does not provide as much comfort as one might think. But that's just the way I feel about it.

Plenty of RDI scenarios to come up with because of all the information that is available

Plenty indeed. I'm kind of curious as to why you phrase it quite that way. (I'm not implying anything. It just strikes me.)

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Well, if I am right, I will derive no satisfaction from it. Just sadness. And the idea that the threat is gone does not provide as much comfort as one might think. But that's just the way I feel about it.



Plenty indeed. I'm kind of curious as to why you phrase it quite that way. (I'm not implying anything. It just strikes me.)

If you are wrong, not only will you still derive no satisfaction, but I assume even greater sadness as JBR's killer will be free.

I'm just noting that there's way more fodder for RDI to conjure up stuff, than IDI, due to nothing more than the proximity and availability of your suspects. IOW if you had the right guy giving exemplars, or a criminal match to the DNA, you might be changing your mind.

 

[BBB167893]

If you are wrong, not only will you still derive no satisfaction, but I assume even greater sadness as JBR's killer will be free.

Sadness like you wouldn't believe. But at least then I will have the satisfaction of knowing that the last face JBR saw was not that of someone she loved.

I'm just noting that there's way more fodder for RDI to conjure up stuff, than IDI, due to nothing more than the proximity and availability of your suspects.

I get you. There's a few more reasons than that, to my way of thinking, but I agree in principle.

IOW if you had the right guy giving exemplars, or a criminal match to the DNA, you might be changing your mind.

I just might at that. But that will have to happen first.

 

[Zak]

Well, "Victory" doesn't really need to be associated with anything, but PR's sister DID say after PR died that "Now, she has her victory". So if that word is associated with anything, it is associated with PR.

Anyone remember JR's June 98 interview?
He said the following:

24 JOHN RAMSEY: Got to fire him,

25 I fire him. I probably should do that. But no,

0703

1 we -- you know, we are never, if somebody -- I

2 don't know. We have said to ourselves, look,

3 there is never going to be a victory in this,

4 there is no victory, but if we can find who did

5 this, there could be some closure we can

6 understand, what do we do, if anything, so our

7 -- you know, the only thing that's important to

8 us is our existing children. And finding who

9 did this.

Isn't it ironic that JR used that particular word?

 

[Zak]

It's awful, isn't it?

Yes, SD, it is awful. Worst experience of my life.

 

[BBB167893]

Yes, SD, it is awful. Worst experience of my life.

Once is gut-wrenching. Twice, such as in my case...almost beyond belief. You start wondering what you did to bring this on the people you love.

Great catch with the JR interview, btw!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I just might at that. But that will have to happen first.

For you, maybe, but not for me.

I think because there is so much information available about the R's, it provides material to develop many, many scenarios. Analyzing every word and step post-murder is a privilege only RDI enjoys.

Despite the favored position RDI has, it is floundering while IDI is doing well. IDI now has an implied endorsement of LE. This is because there has been no 'official' rebuttal by CBI, FBI, or any other agency to the DA's letter.

Any IDI scenario is going to be closer to the truth, no matter what it is. I don't have to see a DNA match to be convinced an intruder did it.

I'm convinced now.

 

[BBB167893]

For you, maybe, but not for me.

Don't take it personally. I've always been a "I'll Believe I when I see it" kind of guy.

I think because there is so much information available about the R's, it provides material to develop many, many scenarios.

That's something you and I will agree on.

Analyzing every word and step post-murder is a privilege only RDI enjoys.

I can't speak for other people, but I don't "enjoy" it as you put it.

Despite the favored position RDI has, it is floundering while IDI is doing well.

We'll see.

IDI now has an implied endorsement of LE.

Only because the DA constitutes LE.

This is because there has been no 'official' rebuttal by CBI, FBI, or any other agency to the DA's letter.

Well, I doubt anyone has asked. Besides, as Beckner said, it would be unprofessional to do so. Anyone can see he does not endorse it. Actually, now that I think about it, Michael Kane has come out against it, and he knows the case quite well. He figures the case file should speak for itself.

Any IDI scenario is going to be closer to the truth, no matter what it is.

I'm afraid I can't agree with that just now.

I don't have to see a DNA match to be convinced an intruder did it. I'm convinced now.

I can see that.

 

[Zak]

Once is gut-wrenching. Twice, such as in my case...almost beyond belief. You start wondering what you did to bring this on the people you love.

Great catch with the JR interview, btw!

I can't even begin to imagine the loss that you must feel. How long ago did you lose your parents? Its been 2 yrs since I lost my dad and I still shed tears for him daily.

Getting back to the case.......I also noticed in the June 98 interview that JR identified a sweater at the foot of Jonbenet's bed as being Patsy's Christmas sweater. Anyone remember that and why it was there?

 

[BBB167893]

I can't even begin to imagine the loss that you must feel. How long ago did you lose your parents? Its been 2 yrs since I lost my dad and I still shed tears for him daily.

Getting back to the case.......I also noticed in the June 98 interview that JR identified a sweater at the foot of Jonbenet's bed as being Patsy's Christmas sweater. Anyone remember that and why it was there?

I lost my dad in '93. It was the day before my 12th birthday.
Mum went into the hospital for routine treatment in April of this year and never left. Five days later she was dead.

Yes, back to the case. No, that had slipped my mind.

 

[Zak]

I lost my dad in '93. It was the day before my 12th birthday.
Mum went into the hospital for routine treatment in April of this year and never left. Five days later she was dead.

Yes, back to the case. No, that had slipped my mind.

I am so very sorry for your loss. Do you think that spending time on this case and writing your book helps you to get through your grief?

Back to the sweater on the bed......if PR didn't wear the sweater to the Whites, but at one point thought that she did...until she saw photo's of herself at the Whites. I wonder how it got there and when?