Defense defend evidence found?

[harleysnana]

I believe we all highly suspect that the body is Caylee. However, if she died under Casey's watch, I don't hope that it was from a premeditated murder. And I don't hope that Cindy provides evidence in that regard.

I have no reason to want the certain pain of Caylee's death to cut still deeper into the parents. Should their only remaining hope be to find that it was not a premeditated murder, I wish them God's grace.

Moreover, I never take away any person's hope. Sometimes it is all a person has left.

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I agree with you 100%

 

[evergreen]

I believe we all highly suspect that the body is Caylee. However, if she died under Casey's watch, I don't hope that it was from a premeditated murder. And I don't hope that Cindy provides evidence in that regard.

I have no reason to want the certain pain of Caylee's death to cut still deeper into the parents. Should their only remaining hope be to find that it was not a premeditated murder, I wish them God's grace.

Moreover, I never take away any person's hope. Sometimes it is all a person has left.

if this was not premeditated, one would expect KC to be an adult and tell folks what happened. Instead she acts "as if" she planned it and acted on her plan.

 

[luvbeaches]

I would think that given the fact that Casey said she talked to Caylee on
the phone around the 15th of July they wouldn’t expect not to find
too many of Casey, George, Cindy, dogs etc hairs or many fibers from the Anthony's house....

I mean a month latter is really enough time for most of their hairs etc to be
lost and they should be able to find more of "Zanny's" hair/ fibers...

Wouldn't you think?

My guess is the phantom phone call from Caylee is going to be a HUGE
problem for Casey's defense!

They're not going to find Zanny's DNA because Zanny didn't kill Caylee. Any family DNA that's found on the body, can be explained away by the defense. What's going to be a problem is what's on the sticky side of the duct tape or on the inside of the bags. Even fingerprints on the outside wouldn't mean much if the bags are they type that come from a roll. If they're the type that are in a box, then that would be different. If on a roll, Casey could have easily touched the roll to simply move it from one place in the garage to another. If the bags came from a box, and especially if her prints are on both bags, I don't think the defense can explain how something like that would have happened innocently. Of course the defense could say that Casey did indeed touch the baga and her fingerprints are on them. They can say anything they want. They don't have to back it up with concrete evidence.

The phone call is going to be a HUGE problem. In fact, many of the lies Casey told is going to be a problem for them, and I am sure they know it.

 

[luvbeaches]

I respectfully disagree-I think it speaks to a unplanned aftermath though. She did not plan for after the crime...I think she thought she would run away but was too indolent and had TonE to cling to and no money. Then after a while she thought she could ride it out like everything else....until that little girl started to smell. She was so stuck....every time she got near the car she knew...she just knew what was in there...and she had no one to rescue her from it.

I am leaning toward premeditation. Just because she didn't dispose of the body doesn't mean she didn't plan it in advance. It means the opportunity didn't present itself, or she hadn't planned that part out.

 

[harleysnana]

They're not going to find Zanny's DNA because Zanny didn't kill Caylee.

I was being sarcastic!
My point was…..Casey claimed she talked to Caylee a month after she went missing…
so how is her defense going to explain that there was no hair… fibers etc from the
person who took her and kept her alive for at least a month? (according to the phantom
phone call)

 

[CHICANA]

Yes, and KC was Zanny's main source of income according to one of KC's statements. So that would be harming the golden goose. Of course, at another moment, KC said the woman had lots of money. I guess it was hanging off her.

KC also said at one time that maybe ZFG took Caylee to teach her a lesson. And at another time, talking to Lee, maybe she did it to teach Mom a lesson. Just senseless zig zag.

Zani's motive - KC owed her babysitting money.

 

[Jolynna]

Planning and deliberation reflects intent (wilful). This represents the heart of a premeditated murder (murder one).

The body's location, the alleged double bagging of the body and the allegation of the body spending days in the trunk of the car all work against a premeditated murder.

Casey had days from the first of Amy's checks she "borrowed" until the last. She PREMEDITATED stealing and using Amy's checks. The check theft was deliberate and willful.

It wasn't an accident or unplanned.

But, she was still sloppy.

Casey had 31 days to come up with a better story than a made-up babysitter from an empty apartment. But she didn't. ALL of Casey's previous misdeeds were planned in advance but carried out without attention to details. IMO, it's her MO.

Just because Casey was a scattered, disorganized killer doesn't mean she wasn't a deliberate one.

 

[Manny]

I think that this case will come down to the science. All the other "stuff" can be interpreted in 10 different ways. The stuff from the computer for instance, I google a bunch of stuff that I sure wouldn't want anyone to take seriously. If is see a movie that mention something I am not familiar with,I google it. If I read a mystery and it throws in some term I am not familiar with , I google it. It doesn't mean I am going to use that to kill someone.
If they find Casey's fingerprints on that bag or inside that bag, on the duct tape she has a huge problem. If there are transfers of fibers that do not come from the Anthony's house or from Casey.. then LE has a problem. I don't think that as much as everyone wants this to be a slam dunk, I am not sure it is..of course that is just my very uneducated opinion.
Did I hear LP say that the word Caylee cannot pronounce was sunshine,, that she was really talking about her grandmother name? He missed his calling he should be a script writer .. whoops I didn't mean to mention script.

 

[Salem]

Planning and deliberation reflects intent (wilful). This represents the heart of a premeditated murder (murder one).

The body's location, the alleged double bagging of the body and the allegation of the body spending days in the trunk of the car all work against a premeditated murder.

Why? I'm not following your train of thought here. Premeditation can be as simple as looking at the person, thinking "I'll kill that person" and then doing it. Once it is done, hiding the evidence in the trunk, rebagging the evidence, and eventually stashing the evidence would go to show the perp knew exactly what they did and did not want to get caught. To me, it just strenghens the arugment. I agree it does not show that the perp is very smart or that it was a well thought out plan, but there is nothing in the law that requires a perp to be smart or a good "event planner."

Salem

 

[cuppy199]

I personally think once the so called experts look at all the evidence some of them will drop like flies JMO but who knows

 

[Where's Andre]

The location of the recovered body does not support a planned and deliberated murder. Nor does allegedly driving around with the body in the trunk of the car for days. Nor does the alleged double bagging of the body.

I'm confused... how so? These are all deeds ex post facto. They might not support a well executed "cover-up", or might support a degree of remorse or a diminished capacity after commision, but that speaks to the penalty phase rather than questions of guilt or innocence.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Dr. Arpad Vass, of ORNL and The U.T. Body farm has achieved almost superstar status as a forensic anthropologist. He's sought after worldwide to help find clandestine graves, identify time of death from human remains, and assist law-enforcement officials in unraveling some of their most complex, challenging cases.

A break in the Caylee Anthony case may have occurred Thursday when skeletal remains of a child were found in a wooded lot less than a half-mile from where Caylee lived. Vass said he talked with Orange County, Fla., investigators by telephone and made some suggestions about evidence to possibly link the body to the car trunk and items from the child's home.

He recites a long list of collaborators from ORNL and elsewhere, such as analytical chemists Linda Lewis and Marc Wise, geologist Laurence Donnelly and physicist Thomas Thundat. Everything is a team effort, he said.

Vass said he's working on a new technology that will detect human bones and may be a breakthrough in the search for off-the-track, decades-old gravesites. He's reluctant to discuss details of the new technique at this point.

 

[Salem]

I believe we all highly suspect that the body is Caylee. However, if she died under Casey's watch, I don't hope that it was from a premeditated murder. And I don't hope that Cindy provides evidence in that regard.

I have no reason to want the certain pain of Caylee's death to cut still deeper into the parents. Should their only remaining hope be to find that it was not a premeditated murder, I wish them God's grace.

Moreover, I never take away any person's hope. Sometimes it is all a person has left.

Wudge - I think this is a lovely statement and I agree.

Salem

 

[papa]

The location of the recovered body does not support a planned and deliberated murder. Nor does allegedly driving around with the body in the trunk of the car for days. Nor does the alleged double bagging of the body.

one has nothing to do with the other. It could have been a well planned and deliberate murder. It was the followup and coverup that was not well planned.

 

[papa]

Agree. Plus, they have to come up with Zanny's motive for killing Caylee.

Who will they get to take the stand to testify that they ever saw Zanny, anyway?

the defense will not have to come up with anything. Casey will be on trial, not "Zanny".

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The location of the recovered body does not support a planned and deliberated murder. Nor does allegedly driving around with the body in the trunk of the car for days. Nor does the alleged double bagging of the body.

I have come to believe it not only was deliberate, but done in the Anthony's own house. I have always felt the child's head was bashed in and I believe before it is all over LE will prove that. It is not hard to prove.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Zani's motive - KC owed her babysitting money.

Now, WHY did I not think of that? Of course, that explains it !!

 

[Indianagirl]

Not only that phantom phone call but also the phantom phone calls from Zani - interesting that nothing shows up - no random or private numbers

I bet KC will admit that she made that phone call from "Zani" and Caylee up...She will say she knew in her heart Caylee was okay, so she made up the phone call so her mom would believe Caylee was alright and not be worried. Afterall, KC was/is concerned about her mom

 

[Indianagirl]

WOW, though Zanny was never seen by anyone KC is even remotely connected to, she knew so much about KC, including her treasured tramping grounds. Boy did Zanny get her back but good. But wait, why? Why would Zanny have such a grudge with Casey that she would kill her child? This person that no one ever met? KC had such a good relationship with her that she was aware of her hangouts?

Maybe it was over the love triangle between zanny, kc, jeff

 

[cyberborg]

Casey had days from the first of Amy's checks she "borrowed" until the last. She PREMEDITATED stealing and using Amy's checks. The check theft was deliberate and willful.

It wasn't an accident or unplanned.

But, she was still sloppy.

Casey had 31 days to come up with a better story than a made-up babysitter from an empty apartment. But she didn't. ALL of Casey's previous misdeeds were planned in advance but carried out without attention to details. IMO, it's her MO.

Just because Casey was a scattered, disorganized killer doesn't mean she wasn't a deliberate one.

:clap::clap: Well said!! :clap::clap: