Deleted Voicemails?

[redheart]

Huh? Distress? Who said anything about visible distress?

You stated unequivocally that "If she (Teresa) were afraid of Avery she wouldn't have gone to Avery Salvage Yard."

I'm pointing out you have no way of knowing that. It is entirely possible that she felt very uncomfortable around SA but felt she needed to ignore that. She might have been freelance, but refusing jobs is not the way to get more jobs.

 

[Tawny]

It's also entirely possible she had no feelings of awkwardness or fear, and it was entirely made up by the prosecution.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Do we know what type of phone Teresa had? Just curious. I know in today's age of cell phones, user names and passwords can be stored in the phone, so it wouldn't take a genius to pick up an I-Phone, go onto a cell phone web page and delete voice mails. I can get into my account without typing in my password. Another question comes to mind...if that is the case, would there be a record of where the computer was located that deleted the voice mails? IE: IP address perhaps??

 

[redheart]

It's also entirely possible she had no feelings of awkwardness or fear, and it was entirely made up by the prosecution.

Sure, that's possible. Who said that wasn't possible? Certainly not me.

The poster I was responding to stated unequivocally that if Teresa was afraid of Avery she wouldn't have gone to the salvage yard.

I don't think that poster can state that as though it were fact. It's not.

 

[Soulmagent]

Different, odd account regarding Ms. Halbach's cingular account:

On the Sunday before she disappeared, Hillegas ran into Teresa at a friend’s house. Halbach told him she planned to join her family at a bar in Appleton for a Halloween party. She was dressed as a cowgirl.

On Tuesday, Hillegas called to ask Halbach about the party. Her voicemail box was full. “Which was weird for someone with a business,” he says. “She’s not the kind of person who would just take off and not call.”

By Thursday, he knew something was wrong. With the help of a friend, he went to Teresa’s house, fired up her computer and printed out a list of names and phone numbers of everyone she knew. The search was on.​

Yet, from his court testimony:

Kratz: Mr. Hillegas, when was the first time that you heard your friend Teresa had gone missing?

Hillegas: Scott had called me and said that Teresa's dad had went over and asked if he had seen Teresa, and Scott called me and I went over to the house that afternoon and we printed off her cell phone records off the Internet.

Hillegas: Just to see, you know, calls she had made or, you know, if there were other numbers of friends that we could find on there.
​

So he called her on the 1st ,and thought the VM being full was odd. The 2nd the VM's are deleted and the 3rd they all meet over at Theresa and Scott's. I think it is odd we didn't hear from anyone else who had called her phone during the days she was missing.

Did LE have him hand over the phone records they printed out on the computer? It is possible those exist somewhere.

 

[MysticJynx]

Very important detail, that we still don't have an answer to, but heard Nancy Grace say on Dr. Phil as if it was fact.


We know that Steve Avery made a call to Teresa Halbach around 4:35 (if I remember correctly) without *67. Was a voicemail left for this call ?

Nancy Grace says he called and leaves a message asking why she didn't show up.

If this voicemail exists, that is indeed very damning evidence. Does it ? I have heard the theory of the purpose of that call, but never in context of an actual voicemail.

<modsnip> Anyone know for sure ?

There was a call at 4:35pm that came from his phone but it was said her phone itself hadn't been used since 2:41 that day. So I would make the assumption that it went to her voicemail. However the call only lasted 13 seconds long. I believe testimony though said they could not tell if it was answered or gone into voicemail. I would think if said voicemail existed they would have used it as they did her message to BJ.

Conclusion Nancy Grace needs to read the case files again.

Maybe there should be a thread for People who are out in the media selling false information. Nancy Grace has gotten the finger wrong, the voicemail she claims was left by Avery, and she don't know that Gregory Allen indeed went on and raped again.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

There was a call at 4:35pm that came from his phone but it was said her phone itself hadn't been used since 2:41 that day. So I would make the assumption that it went to her voicemail. However the call only lasted 13 seconds long. I believe testimony though said they could not tell if it was answered or gone into voicemail. I would think if said voicemail existed they would have used it as they did her message to BJ. .

I wonder if this was a common practice for him...IE: making the phone call. If it were me, I would have probably though she got tied up on another assignment and was running really late....who would I have called??? The AutoTrader Magazine...and said, hey no one showed up here, do you know when they are coming? Why call her cell phone??? Suspicious to me. ....and how did he have her cell phone number in the first place???

 

[MaxManning]

I wonder if this was a common practice for him...IE: making the phone call. If it were me, I would have probably though she got tied up on another assignment and was running really late....who would I have called??? The AutoTrader Magazine...and said, hey no one showed up here, do you know when they are coming? Why call her cell phone??? Suspicious to me. ....and how did he have her cell phone number in the first place???

1. We know that she's been out to the place before 4-5 times, so likely been through the process of her calling the customer to set up a specific time. He didn't set an appt time with Auto Trader, just requested a photographer.
2. We know that the message on Barb Janda's machine says she cannot stop by unless she makes contact with someone directly, so obviously clients have her phone number. She likely leaves it in the message?
3. The phone number is on Steve Avery's message pad on his computer desk, so we know he has her number , maybe from the last time she left message at his place or called and he wrote down the number.
4. Calling her cell phone very well might be the normal process, as calling auto trader back and them calling her is inefficient.
5. If I had the person's number, I'd call her directly.

 

[Madeleine74]

He called her a few times that day, at least 3 times. First 2 times after dialing *67 on his phone to obscure his phone number and then, at 4:35pm he did not hide his number.

Some have opined he was trying to make it look like she was still alive and no longer at his property during that last call, an alibi of sorts. I know nothing about whether he left a VM or didn't.

 

[JudyBolton]

He called her a few times that day, at least 3 times. First 2 times after dialing *67 on his phone to obscure his phone number and then, at 4:35pm he did not hide his number.

Some have opined he was trying to make it look like she was still alive and no longer at his property during that last call, an alibi of sorts. I know nothing about whether he left a VM or didn't.

No ~ we are missing a lot of information about her phone because *someone* CERTAINLY NOT S.A. went into her private phone account and erased messages. That whole thing is pretty suspicious to me. I can even MAYBE see trying to access her phone to see if there is anything that might lead to her whereabouts. But I see NO legitimate reason to erase anything.

If you have a theory on why her EX or brother erased information I would like to hear it.

 

[Sinsaint]

He called her a few times that day, at least 3 times. First 2 times after dialing *67 on his phone to obscure his phone number and then, at 4:35pm he did not hide his number.

Some have opined he was trying to make it look like she was still alive and no longer at his property during that last call, an alibi of sorts. I know nothing about whether he left a VM or didn't.

Maybe they opine incorrectly. Could be a but dial for all anyone knows.

 

[Madeleine74]

If you have a theory on why her EX or brother erased information I would like to hear it.

My theory: Whoever listened to it pressed the delete key/number and it deleted the message. I'm going to assume it was done accidentally or for some reason they chose a non-important message, perhaps because the VM was full. I'm not yet ready to throw anyone under any buses since I don't know who erased it and I don't know the circumstances around it.

No ~ we are missing a lot of information about her phone because *someone* CERTAINLY NOT S.A. went into her private phone account and erased messages.

The cell provider should have a log of all calls sent and received on TH's phone, including those numbers in which no message was left. It should be easy enough to figure out what phone calls got erased (the phone number), although the message itself is unfortunately gone.

 

[TheDuchess]

I wonder if this was a common practice for him...IE: making the phone call. If it were me, I would have probably though she got tied up on another assignment and was running really late....who would I have called??? The AutoTrader Magazine...and said, hey no one showed up here, do you know when they are coming? Why call her cell phone??? Suspicious to me. ....and how did he have her cell phone number in the first place???

Caller ID - they played the message she left saying she was on her way/

 

[MysticJynx]

I wonder if this was a common practice for him...IE: making the phone call. If it were me, I would have probably though she got tied up on another assignment and was running really late....who would I have called??? The AutoTrader Magazine...and said, hey no one showed up here, do you know when they are coming? Why call her cell phone??? Suspicious to me. ....and how did he have her cell phone number in the first place???

Dassey Trial 4-17-07

KK - During the search of, uh, the Janda trailer, did you have occasion to observe and recover a, um--
a phone message that was found on, u m, the ANSWERING MACHINE of the Janda residence?
DK - Yes. One of the first things that we did when we entered the residence is, uh, Detective Remiker
played the phone message while we were all standing around. Uh, he recorded it. Um, and then we
commenced searching the rest of the, uh, residence.
KK - Direct your attention to the photos shown on the large screen for the jurors, what are we looking
at?
DK - This is a photo of the phone and answering machine that was in the, uh, Janda residence.
KK - Did -- And you indicated that you had occasion to listen to, uh, at least one of those phone
messages; is that correct?
DK - Yes
KK - Did an individual on that phone message identify herself?
DK - Yes. We listened to the message that, uh, the female caller, uh identified herself as Teresa.

Attorney KK then asks permission to play that message. Page 126

(wherein phone message is played.)
"Hello. This is Teresa with AutoTrader Magazine. I'm the photographer, and just giving you a call to let you know that i could come out there today, um, in the afternoon. It would-- will probably
be around two o'clock ore even a little later. But, um if you could please give me a call back and let
me know if that will work for you, because I DONT HAVE YOUR ADDRESS or anything, so I can't stop by
without getting the -- a call back from you. And my cell number is ***-****. Again, it's Teresa,
***-***-****. Thank you."

Since the message was left with SA's sister and BoD was home, could he have given Steven the number to call her back? It was written down on a notepad.

 

[Tawny]

My theory: Whoever listened to it pressed the delete key/number and it deleted the message. I'm going to assume it was done accidentally or for some reason they chose a non-important message, perhaps because the VM was full. I'm not yet ready to throw anyone under any buses since I don't know who erased it and I don't know the circumstances around it.



The cell provider should have a log of all calls sent and received on TH's phone, including those numbers in which no message was left. It should be easy enough to figure out what phone calls got erased (the phone number), although the message itself is unfortunately gone.

Nope, Cingular wireless techs/employees testified that if people got the "VM is full" message at one time and then called back and made it through to VM later, that VMs were deleted, but they did not testify that there was a way to see which VMs were deleted and who those VMs were left by.

 

[MysticJynx]

Does anyone know if they introduced Steven's Phone records, if so do you know where there is a copy of that evidence. I'm curious to know if his phone made that last call. I posted earlier that there is ways to Spoof a call. To use anyone's number and the caller ID on the phone will read the Spoofed number and the phone bill of the person they called will reflect the spoofed number. Were his records ever
compared to hers?

 

[JudyBolton]

I have two children in their 20's. One dated a girl for 3 years before they broke up. They occasionally keep in contact via text and FB I think. BUT if he went missing I would NOT immediately call her nor would she run over to our house and start opening his phone records.

I realize everyone has different relationships with their ex's but this just remains VERY odd to me. Also his big presence in the search effort.

I'm curious if others with kids of similar age find this plausible or ordinary.

 

[MysticJynx]

Her ex just figuring out the username/password just doesn't make sense to me.

I wonder if Cingular had any safety guards to prevent someone from trying repeatedly to get in with the wrong username/pswd. If they knew the name/pswd, they should have just said it, his testimony makes him seem shady IMO.

He said he figured out her password but made up a username. I thought the username was made up when you made up the account to know what Name the password would work for. I also do not like RH's body movements and facial expressions during that line of questioning.

 

[missy1974]

He said he figured out her password but made up a username. I thought the username was made up when you made up the account to know what Name the password would work for. I also do not like RH's body movements and facial expressions during that line of questioning.

interestingly enough..... according to the wayback machine, only a phone number and password were needed. Now if she needed to register first.... maybe a username was needed with that, but there would be no "figuring out". Either way... something doesn't make sense to me.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051107011404/http://www.cingular.com/myaccount/login

 

[Madeleine74]

Nope, Cingular wireless techs/employees testified that if people got the "VM is full" message at one time and then called back and made it through to VM later, that VMs were deleted, but they did not testify that there was a way to see which VMs were deleted and who those VMs were left by.

Cingular would have a call log that was stored on their servers. They wouldn't be able to retrieve the VM messages that were deleted. Did anyone ask them if every phone call was logged on their servers? Not VMs, phone calls. The reason I ask is I worked for a cellular company and every number coming in and going out was logged *if* the phone was pinging a cell tower and if a seizure had occurred (i.e. had a connection).

If TH's phone had been turned off or if the battery was taken out then the phone would not be able to be connected. The carrier has all the details as that's how they know to count and then bill the subscriber for every minute. Those detailed call logs contain a lot of information -- not the ones a consumer gets, but there are more detailed logs that are produced for subpoenas.