GUILTY Denmark - Kim Wall, 30, Copenhagen, 10 Aug 2017

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  • #661
SATA said:
Yes it is.

What about Peter Lundin and this "Smiley" guy?
They are in prison for life - they will not be let out.
I don´t think any of them have an insanity evaluation - but they have been found too dangerous to be let out.

Have to look it up.
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There has been a line of defense-lawyers that is called "experts" who now say that PM wont get life-sentence, because it is a sentence we only use when someone has done more than one killing, so thats probably why that Peter Lundin still is in prison, since he killed 3.

We will have to see if the severity and the cruelty of this case is enough to give PM the life-sentence.

I think I lose all the respect I have for the system if he can settle for only 6-8 years, because then he will be out after 3 years on probation.
 
  • #662
Logical_Inference said:
There has been a line of defense-lawyers that is called "experts" who now say that PM wont get life-sentence, because it is a sentence we only use when someone has done more than one killing, so thats probably why that Peter Lundin still is in prison, since he killed 3.

We will have to see if the severity and the cruelty of this case is enough to give PM the life-sentence.

I think I lose all the respect I have for the system if he can settle for only 6-8 years, because then he will be out after 3 years on probation.
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Well, okay then "experts", have it your way. We'll let him out and you may pick his next victim among your peers. You may put your ideals to the test and no one will mind the sacrifice if that keeps a very dangerous man off the streets.

Seems a fair deal IMHO.
 
  • #663
Logical_Inference said:
There has been a line of defense-lawyers that is called "experts" who now say that PM wont get life-sentence, because it is a sentence we only use when someone has done more than one killing, so thats probably why that Peter Lundin still is in prison, since he killed 3.

We will have to see if the severity and the cruelty of this case is enough to give PM the life-sentence.

I think I lose all the respect I have for the system if he can settle for only 6-8 years, because then he will be out after 3 years on probation.
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He cannot be let out - in my opinion, at all!

The Smiley person I was talking about (
Peter Kronholm - all those Peters!), was on parole after a murder conviction - and came very, VERY close to killing a girl.
He was then put in prison ("forvaring" = custody?) again and is still there.

Here are the rules in Denmark for custody (not the same as an insanity custody):

In Denmark, 73 people are in custody. The convicted are too dangerous to have a time-limited imprisonment sentence.
In the Kundby case, a 17-year-old girl is guilty of attempted terror and serious violence. The prosecutor's office demands that she be sentenced to custody.
Read here what custody is:
* Custody is formally not a punishment, but a measure that replaces punishment when the convicted person is considered to be particularly dangerous.
* As the only forms of detention of non-insane persons, custody is accompanied by imprisonment on a lifetime without a time limit.
* The execution of a custodial sentence is normally carried out at the office of Herstedvester west of Copenhagen.
* A sentence for custody presupposes that the court finds it necessary for a time-limited measure rather than punishment to prevent the convicted in committing new dangerous crime.
* After three years of custody - and since once a year - the Criminal Court has an obligation to decide whether the measure is to continue.
* The Attorney General is obliged to ensure that a custodial convictor does not sit longer than necessary, but ultimately it is up to court to decide whether the sentenced person can be tried out - thus released.
* In the case of sample printing, there will usually be a longer course where the convicted person will be accompanied first and the site is allowed to leave the prison on its own.
* In order to obtain the freedoms, the Criminal Court may impose a number of conditions, for example, that the sentenced person must be treated with a particular type of medicine.
* According to the Criminal Court, 72 people are in custody. For quite recently, another person - a former boxer - has also been sentenced, so the number is now 73.
* The Correctional Service has been able to collect detailed information about 65 prisoners. The person who has longest served has been in custody for 21 and a half years.
* Of the 65 people, 17 people have raped while 21 are convicted of violence.
* Custody is often confused with placement. One of the differences is that an arrest warrant is given to insane persons and disposed of in a hospital while a prison sentence is sentenced in a prison.
Sources: Criminal Care, Legal Information and Professor Jørn Vestergaard, University of Copenhagen.

Sorry about the google translate.​
 
  • #664
Logical_Inference said:
There has been a line of defense-lawyers that is called "experts" who now say that PM wont get life-sentence, because it is a sentence we only use when someone has done more than one killing, so thats probably why that Peter Lundin still is in prison, since he killed 3.

We will have to see if the severity and the cruelty of this case is enough to give PM the life-sentence.

I think I lose all the respect I have for the system if he can settle for only 6-8 years, because then he will be out after 3 years on probation.
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If the prosecution can prove that the murder (I call it murder, because that is what I believe it was!) was PLANNED and even PREPARED, that is a heavily aggravating circumstance.

They are going to charge him for that, and they must have some evidence pointing in that direction, otherwise they would not put that charge forward.

I have faith that he will receive a sentence fitting the crime.
 
  • #665
SATA said:
If the prosecution can prove that the murder (I call it murder, because that is what I believe it was!) was PLANNED and even PREPARED, that is a heavily aggravating circumstance.

They are going to charge him for that, and they must have some evidence pointing in that direction, otherwise they would not put that charge forward.

I have faith that he will receive a sentence fitting the crime.
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Yeah, I hope they will do the right thing too.

There is an interesting article here on TV2.dk where Peter Lundins defence-lawyer is interviewed about the proces..
https://translate.google.com/transl...an-give-arbejdsro-forklarer-erfaren-forsvarer

The article also tells that the prosecutor's office requires Peter Madsen sentenced to imprisonment for lifetime or secondary custody. The latter may be relevant because the Counseling Council has assessed that a custodial sentence may be required.
- It's because of his personality. It is judged by both the Retssykiatrisk Klinik and the Retslægerråd that his personality makes him a significant and imminent threat to the lives, health and well-being of others, explains Jakob Buch-Larsen on a press briefing on Tuesday.

Another article explains the result of PM's mental health check:
https://translate.google.com/transl...re-har-gransket-peter-madsens-sind-indgaaende
 
  • #666
Hi,
I have always believed that this was premeditated. Why else would he have a knife, a saw, leaden pipes, plastic bags.. on board the sub? I don’t think it will be difficult to prove the planning and preparation part in court.
He counted on the body never being found and selling the story of an accident followed by a “suicidal psychosis” IMO.
 
  • #667
Logical_Inference said:
Yeah, I hope they will do the right thing too.

There is an interesting article here on TV2.dk where Peter Lundins defence-lawyer is interviewed about the proces..
https://translate.google.com/transl...an-give-arbejdsro-forklarer-erfaren-forsvarer

The article also tells that the prosecutor's office requires Peter Madsen sentenced to imprisonment for lifetime or secondary custody. The latter may be relevant because the Counseling Council has assessed that a custodial sentence may be required.
- It's because of his personality. It is judged by both the Retssykiatrisk Klinik and the Retslægerråd that his personality makes him a significant and imminent threat to the lives, health and well-being of others, explains Jakob Buch-Larsen on a press briefing on Tuesday.

Another article explains the result of PM's mental health check:
https://translate.google.com/transl...re-har-gransket-peter-madsens-sind-indgaaende
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I am glad I can trust my instincts! I was scared of him once, really scared - and thought to myself, don´t be silly. I guess I wasn´t being silly!
Thanks for the articles, I will read them now. :)
 
  • #668
Kenkyuusha said:
Hi,
I have always believed that this was premeditated. Why else would he have a knife, a saw, leaden pipes, plastic bags.. on board the sub? I don’t think it will be difficult to prove the planning and preparation part in court.
He counted on the body never being found and selling the story of an accident followed by a “suicidal psychosis” IMO.
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I agree with you.

Edit to add, he thought he was so clever that he could outsmart everyone, including the police. He wasn´t.
From the facial expressions, questions, tones of voice, postures, I think it looked like the police officers who were in place receiving him when he got on shore initially smelled a rat already then.
Peter Madsen is so out of touch with reality, it is mind boggling.
 
  • #669
I cannot believe the horror of the last few pages I am catching up on.
It does not seem to me that anyone believes his stories. It could even have been planned. With the dismantling of his workshop, the proposed destruction of the sub, the verdict on his mental state, it is looking like a foregone conclusion. Whatever is the trial going to be about?
What a terrible tragedy for Kim's family and friends to endure.
 
  • #670
An article from yesterday:

Danish Inventor Peter Madsen Charged with Murdering Reporter on His Submarine
http://sportisticallyspeaking.com/2018/01/danish-inventor-peter-madsen-charged-with-murdering/

The full charge sheet will be made public on January 23.

"It's not just that we have the same grounds for arrest as before, but I think they are stronger than last time", Buch-Jepsen said, adding that Madsen should be detained during the hearing. Prosecutors will urge that Madsen be sentenced to life in prison, or be locked up in a secure mental facility if deemed necessary by psychiatrists for as long as he's considered sick and unsafe to others.
[.....]
Madsen's trial starts March 8 and a verdict is expected on April 25.
 
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From TV2.dk newsfeed:

The submarine Nautilus was a risk for ships at the probable time of death
Peter Madsen endangered other people's lives as he sailed close to a cargo ship on the evening of August 10, the prosecutor's office charged with the case against Peter Madsen. The alleged dangerous sailing occurred during the same period as Peter Madsen abused and killed his passenger, the Swedish journalist Kim Wall.
 
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  • #674
Have been reading some comments from readers of the Danish newspaper, Ekstra Bladet.
And I had to stop, it was just too dumb!
People are STILL doubting that Peter Madsen is the killer! I can´t believe my eyes!

Some are asking whether Kim Wall´s boyfriend is being investigated! - Because they find it suspicious that he reported Kim Wall missing so early.

Seriously, can´t they read - or at least watch the news on TV or online?
The comments are from today, after the release of the charges against PM.
 
  • #675
SATA said:
Have been reading some comments from readers of the Danish newspaper, Ekstra Bladet.
And I had to stop, it was just too dumb!
People are STILL doubting that Peter Madsen is the killer! I can´t believe my eyes!

Some are asking whether Kim Wall´s boyfriend is being investigated! - Because they find it suspicious that he reported Kim Wall missing so early.

Seriously, can´t they read - or at least watch the news on TV or online?
The comments are from today, after the release of the charges against PM.
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Not surprising at all. The same kind of nonsense gets posted regularly on WS. And I agree, it really is a turnoff.
 
  • #676
SATA said:
Have been reading some comments from readers of the Danish newspaper, Ekstra Bladet.
And I had to stop, it was just too dumb!
People are STILL doubting that Peter Madsen is the killer! I can´t believe my eyes!

Some are asking whether Kim Wall´s boyfriend is being investigated! - Because they find it suspicious that he reported Kim Wall missing so early.

Seriously, can´t they read - or at least watch the news on TV or online?
The comments are from today, after the release of the charges against PM.
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Sometimes we should not believe all that we read. :-)
I once heard that many of those comments on EB are being made by EB employees, to create the crazy discussions there.

Anyway here is an article from an australien site - in clear english.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-24/madsen-charged-with-abusing-kim-wall-before-murder/9354952
 
  • #677
Logical_Inference said:
Awwww man....this is almost unbearable to read.....:

Tied and mistreated Kim Wall in the submarine
https://translate.google.com/transl...=https://www.mx.dk/ritzau/bond/story/19210512

More here:
https://translate.google.com/transl...-peter-madsen-mishandlede-kim-wall-inden-drab
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This monster should never set foot on the streets again. He is sick in the head and extremely dangerous. I don't know anything about Danish law but I really hope they'll decide to keep him locked up for life.
 
  • #678
Has it already been proved if he has done this sort of thing before?
 
  • #679
FlashyHydra said:
Has it already been proved if he has done this sort of thing before?
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There is so far no evidence that he has done it before. The police has sent his DNA to several countries that had similar cases, but there hasnt been a match.
In Denmark we had a similar case with a japanese tourist, who also was found dismembered in the almost same waters. But it was at the time where PM was 15-16 years old and there has been no match to that case that we have heard of.

Personally I think that he once was introduced to the dark web and got so inspired that he decided to try it out at a point where he didnt feel he had anything to lose anyway.
 
  • #680
Logical_Inference said:
There is so far no evidence that he has done it before. The police has sent his DNA to several countries that had similar cases, but there hasnt been a match.
In Denmark we had a similar case with a japanese tourist, who also was found dismembered in the almost same waters. But it was at the time where PM was 15-16 years old and there has been no match to that case that we have heard of.

Personally I think that he once was introduced to the dark web and got so inspired that he decided to try it out at a point where he didnt feel he had anything to lose anyway.
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Exactly what I think.
 
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