GUILTY Denmark - Kim Wall, 30, Copenhagen, 10 Aug 2017

[Niner]

Robin Elizabeth Herr
@CaliforniaRobin
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30m
The prosecutor that there is blood splatters, blood stains & blood shed on #PeterMadsen's clothes.Some of it couldn't have landed after death. It is #KimWall's blood. #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial


Not too many tweets coming thru....

 

[SATA]

I was wrong, they are still documenting objects and forensics.
They will not make the psych report, I think - when then, I wonder?

 

[Moll]

Yes, it's starting now...the prosecutor having shown a picture of Kim Wall and reminded the court they are talking about a person who was living.

 

[Moll]

12s

"What do you do if you have a big problem? You divide it into smaller ones," the prosecutor reads what Madsen told the psychologist @SkyNews #SubmarineTrial #KimWall #PeterMadsen

Peter Madsen said thinks he handles isolation "better than most" for instance by writing books, the prosecutor reads from the psychological report @SkyNews#SubmarineTrial#KimWall#PeterMadsen

 

[Niner]

Robin Elizabeth Herr
@CaliforniaRobin
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34m
#PeterMadsen texted to his wife on 8 Aug. "I will not be in the hanger tonight. I love you. Smiley. #KimWall #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

12m
Defense reads from #PeterMadsen's 9 Aug. blog post, First come, first served," regarding the competing rocket launches (his & CS's) near Bonholm which were cancelled. #KimWall #petermadsen #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

12m
Today there are two projects on Refshaleøen that work to realize my wild dream....So even though I'm naturally flattered, it also gives some practical problems. #KimWall #petermadsen #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

10m
"We are challenged by our non-relationship...which makes agreements impossible. It is due to bitter experiences from both camps. Enough about that." reads the 9 Aug. blogpost." #KimWall #petermadsen #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

1m
The Prosecutor is reading from psychologist's investigation: What did #PeterMadsen say of the dismemberment? "When one has a big problem, one divides it up into smaller problems." #KimWall #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

 

[Moll]

Madsen told the psychologist he would go through with the trial of pure curiosity, the court learns @SkyNews #SubmarineTrial #KimWall#PeterMadsen

"He expressed no remorse or guilt in connection with the events," the prosecutor reads from the psychologist's assessment of Peter Madsen @SkyNews#SubmarineTrial#KimWall#PeterMadsen


The psychologist assessed Madsen was "strikingly lightly affected by the events," the prosecutor tells the court @SkyNews#SubmarineTrial#KimWall#PeterMadsen

 

[Niner]

Robin Elizabeth Herr
@CaliforniaRobin
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19m
Of sex: - Han is excited by being raped and misused by women with male genitals. #KimWall #petermadsen #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

18m
Duing the questions, "He was obsessed with being put in custody due to his mental state and kept saying that he is not dangerous."

16m
Now the mental declaration: He does not show compassion towards the victim or her family. #KimWall #petermadsen #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

10m
Re snuff films: "He identifies with the victim, death & grandiose feelings. #KimWall #petermadsen #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

3m
Earlier the judge agreed they would stop at 16. The defense kept insisting that everthing needs to be read, not just sections. Result? We didn't hear the conclusions about his mental state. Good strategy for defense. #KimWall #petermadsen #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

1m
We expect to hear the conclusions about #PeterMadsen's metal state in 18 days. #KimWall #petermadsen #dkjura #submarinecase #submarinetrial

 

[Niner]

I guess that's it for today - back on April 23rd.

 

[Moll]

What does she mean, 'Good strategy for defense', I wonder? Does she seriously think the defence has a chance of success? I also don't fully understand how this psychiatric evidence will play a part in the outcome of the trial.

PS Thank you, Niner, for today's tweets.

 

[Logical_Inference]

What does she mean, 'Good strategy for defense', I wonder? Does she seriously think the defence has a chance of success? I also don't fully understand how this psychiatric evidence will play a part in the outcome of the trial.

PS Thank you, Niner, for today's tweets.

I have read the other day that the mental health-check does not influence the verdict, but the punishment afterwards. It is solely done to see if he is mentally able to be jailed or he has to be locked up on a mental institution.

 

[Logical_Inference]

Madsen's defence attorney points out mistakes in the report from the (in her words) "so called expert witness" lieutenant commander Ditte Dyreborg who testified on day 8

I don't understand why the defence didn't call their own expert witness if they objected to Dyreborg. Or am I forgetting one? As I recall we've just had Madsen objecting to prosecution evidence.

The defense-lawyer did call her own expert. It was the guy from technologic institut that agreed with the plausibility of the CO poisoning process, but also pointed out that there should be a lot of heat.

 

[Moll]

Ah, of course he was for the defence. I forgot because he turned into an asset for the prosecution... but I remember now the defense counsel saying to Dyreborg 'Good thing we are going to hear from a witness from the technology institute' or wtte. It all seems to be last-ditch stuff from the defence.

 

[SATA]

Ah, of course he was for the defence. I forgot because he turned into an asset for the prosecution... but I remember now the defense counsel saying to Dyreborg 'Good thing we are going to hear from a witness from the technology institute' or wtte. It all seems to be last-ditch stuff from the defence.

They don´t have anything - like, NOTHING.
Everything points straight at a planned murder.

 

[Shiressleuth]

What does she mean, 'Good strategy for defense', I wonder? Does she seriously think the defence has a chance of success? I also don't fully understand how this psychiatric evidence will play a part in the outcome of the trial.

PS Thank you, Niner, for today's tweets.

I think she means that because the defence insisted on hearing all the details there has been no time to hear the conclusions, which was a good strategy in her opinion. I.e. we have to wait till 23rd to hear those conclusions so that is an advantage to PM to not have heard that yet, I guess so that MSM cannot discuss that for the next two weeks.

 

[Shiressleuth]

TY all for posting the tweets. For me the most important evidence today was the blood spatter on PM's clothes indictating premortem. I don't remember that in the previous accounts. What was it about KW blood being inside a drain and that we would hear the importance of that? Was it reported anywhere what the prosecutor meant by that?

Also, what was the point of bringing up the death of PM's stepbrother and emphasising that was suicide by hanging? Was there ever any doubt there?

 

[SATA]

TY all for posting the tweets. For me the most important evidence today was the blood spatter on PM's clothes indictating premortem. I don't remember that in the previous accounts. What was it about KW blood being inside a drain and that we would hear the importance of that? Was it reported anywhere what the prosecutor meant by that?

Also, what was the point of bringing up the death of PM's stepbrother and emphasising that was suicide by hanging? Was there ever any doubt there?

It hasn´t been reported earlier, so it is new to all of us.

I can´t answer your other questions.
Actually I had no idea PM´s step brother had committed suicide.

I am curious about PM´s childhood. I don´t think he came out of a box as a sadistic murderer, I don´t believe anybody does.

There is also some talk about him having had a head injury and that he changed after that. Not sure when it happened, but it was while he was with Copenhagen Suborbitals.

 

[bajas]

Maybe the defence will say something like PM was affected by his step-brother's suicide by hanging, hence all the internet searches on hanging,etc. and try to convince the judge that he was empathising with his step-brother's suffering...what do you think?

 

[Moll]

In fact, today contained more new information than I anticipated. That new (to us) forensic evidence seems like something that would have been put to the accused. Of course he has already stated his position and this isn't compatible with it.

 

[Moll]

Maybe the defence will say something like PM was affected by his step-brother's suicide by hanging, hence all the internet searches on hanging,etc. and try to convince the judge that he was empathising with his step-brother's suffering...what do you think?

Yes, that was the only reason I could think of for mentioning it. It doesn't account for the other stuff, though. Perhaps it ties in with the psychiatric assessment?

 

[Logical_Inference]

Maybe the defence will say something like PM was affected by his step-brother's suicide by hanging, hence all the internet searches on hanging,etc. and try to convince the judge that he was empathising with his step-brother's suffering...what do you think?

Now I dont know when that step-brother committed suicide, but PM has at the mental evaluation told about that he as a little kid dreamed (= wished for) about that he was abducted and raped by a old woman, so it probably started long before.
We didnt hear anthing about that today as far as I know. It came up earlier in the trial.