GUILTY Denmark - Kim Wall, 30, Copenhagen, 10 Aug 2017

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  • #81
Based on the articles it seems like these are the quick facts about Madsen:

- Genius / inventor
- Social awkward
- Temperamental / fits of rage w/ Journalists over bad publicity
- No reported history of violence
- Ego / Narcissist
- Contentious relations with colleagues and former colleagues

Base on these quick facts, I think nothing was more important to Madsen than is work, his genius inventions, his most prized possessions / accomplishments. IMO, his work projects became his obsessions. Everything probably down to every little details was his way or the high way making him snap into rages when things didn't go his way with co workers / journalists. IMO, although he may be socially awkward... I don't think he would risk bad publicity of his work / reputation to seduce a journalist who was in a relationship. Also, don't think he would risk his work and reputation over a sexual rejection.

I think it's more likely Wall died in some sort of accident. Either in a fit of rage OR a safety hazard due to negligence. Reporting the accident (whatever it was), probably would have resulted in his license getting revoked, his company shutting down, or some other law suit as a failure to comply with safety regulations or something of the sort.

I think the thought of losing his obsession drove him to cover up the accident in the most horrific way.

I hope he gets locked up and never sees the light of day for his actions.

All JMO!

Quite true, an obsessive need to cover up her death for the sake of his future projects could have kicked in under any circumstances. It hasn't been reported what kind of accident he claims happened. Other than falling down stairs, I can't think of anything that wouldn't leave traces like a fire, etc.

I wonder if they'd met before going on the submarine. If it was their first meeting, an accident seems more possible, somehow. My thoughts are, if they'd met before, he might have become obsessed with her, she was probably quite charming and may not have told him about her boyfriend.
 
  • #82
Personally I don't believe there was an accident whatever the man's obsessions about his work and reputation. Had it been a true accident, surface right away and call for help. Surely he had some communications method with shore on that sub. Would that not have proven his care, innocence and decency instead of going to the extreme lengths he did to hide the fact? Even scuttling his own pride and joy?
 
  • #83
I could believe the seduction / sexual advance theory, if some women come forward and saying Madsen did not take sexual rejection well. Or if he was known to attempt to mix private life with business affairs.

It seems clear to me that whatever happened was not planned or intended. If he simply just choked her then there really was no need to sink his submarine.

Such a bizarre case. Hoping for Justice for Wall.
 
  • #84
Also, most accidents like falling and hitting one's head don't result in instant, obvious death, there's the possibility the person could be revived by medical care, even if they've been unconscious for hours. How would he know for sure she was actually dead, unless he's claiming some sort of accidental decapitation.

I'm just testing theories, I also believe he killed her, mainly because only guilty people go to those lengths to try to hide what happened.
 
  • #85
I'm just so shocked! Poor Kim! Horrendous to be killed and then chopped up like that. Her poor boyfriend and family :(
 
  • #86
Decapitated to hide bullet wound?
Therefore no cause of death can be determined, claiming accident.
 
  • #87
Decapitated to hide bullet wound?
Therefore no cause of death can be determined, claiming accident.

I doubt she was shot as Denmark has very strict gun laws. It's far more likely he choked her to death imo and he chopped her up in a panic.
 
  • #88
This is like one of those nightmares that is just so unrealistic it couldn't happen.
It would almost be too outrageous for a movie script.
Yet, It's happened. I don't understand people I guess.
Why not take a lesser known, lesser missed person? He had to know she'd be noticed missing!
 
  • #89
I wonder if they'd met before going on the submarine. If it was their first meeting, an accident seems more possible, somehow. My thoughts are, if they'd met before, he might have become obsessed with her, she was probably quite charming and may not have told him about her boyfriend.
According to the police there had been a strict professional mail contact between them, and it was agreed that KW would go with PM in the submarine and write an article about him. They lived fairly close, but there are no indications that they knew each others before.
Foom a Swedish newspaper article: http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/dansk-polis-sa-bokade-kim-wall-mote-med-peter-madsen/

I doubt she was shot as Denmark has very strict gun laws. It's far more likely he choked her to death imo and he chopped her up in a panic.
Even if the Danish (and Swedish) gun laws are very strict, during the last few years there have been an influx of illegal hand guns to the Copenhagen/Malmö area, and there have been several shootings there. I wouldn't be surprised if PM could have got a gun, but I don't think he would risk using it onboard the submarine.
 
  • #90
Why not take a lesser known, lesser missed person? He had to know she'd be noticed missing!

This is why I think he didn't actually plan to kill her.
 
  • #91
Hi all. :-)
This is my first post here, though I have been reading this forum for many years (especially about the McStays). Now we have a case in my own country (Denmark) that fortunately is very rare here. I do have an opinion about this that I want to share with you.

I do believe that Kims murder was planned. The reason for that is these 10 arguments (that I ofcourse only got from the news-channel and the news-media):

1: PM (Peter Madsen) has been dreaming of, for years, that he one day would make a huge happening where the police was chasing him for an unknown reason. Thats why his friends and family first thought that this was some kind of joke and that Kim would turn up after a few days or so, smiling and say haha this was just for fun, but now we know that she didnt.

2: He had often talked about that he made things happen if he could. Like "If I can do it then I will do it".

3: He had some events arranged the day after the murder, that he for unknown reasons had cancelled, before he went on the trip with Kim.

4: He sank his submarine at the same moment when someone spotted him, which makes me think that he wasnt finished with erasing the clues in the boat. Its like that when someone approached him and said "hey there you are" then he just made the boat go poof. Took only 30 sec and he apparently knew it was possible to do that fast and also needed to do. He had probably been thinking about doing that before he was spottet. It was not an act of panic, I bet.

5: His first statements was totally lies about leaving her somewhere at the exact time where she had to be home or had to contact her boyfriend, so he had thought about timing. Too much thinking for a man in panic. As the evidence showed up, he did have to change his statements though. There was survaillance-cameraes at the place he said he dropped her off, which he apparently didnt know about, so that ruined his initial statement and probably his whole plan, because it could be proved that she wasnt present on the place, when he said she would be.

6: He did also claim at first that Kim was there to do an interview on him and his submarine, and that it was a magazine called "Wired" that should be the media to publish it. Danish journalists had contacted that magazine and asked if they knew anything about that and their response was that they havent heard about it at all. So why was she there, then?

7: He dismembered the body, which in my opinion is a strange act IF he was in panic, because I would have thought that the first panic-ish thought must have been to just throw the body over board, but a policeman told our news-channel that it might be possible for people in a total state of panic to do such things, though its very rare. Its just sick no matter why.

8: This is what made me think it was planned. He punctured the body so that the gasses could be let out, so the body didnt float to the suface. Who on earth do think about that in a state of panic? I really do believe that this has been researched before he even went on that trip with her.

9: When he got ashore he was interviewed and he did NOT act like he had just been experiencing something very cruel. Not at all. He just babbled about how sad he was about the submarine and that he had a failure that made it sink. No signs of shock or nervousity or anything that showed his distress.

10: The police did immidiately arrest him for murder when he came ashore. We still dont know why they already, at that point, thought of that, but something must have told them that there was something wrong.


This is just my opinion about why I think it was planned from start.
No matter what, then PM is already in deep s... with what he finally admitted, so I think he will go under with his submarine soon, when the police starts to dig even deeper than they already have. They are so far also looking at another dismembered body from 1986 where the body also was punctured to keep it down, so maybe he has been practising for this in his early days. His age differs from media to media. The last I heard from the news channel was that he is 48 which make him 18 back then. So its possible he did that too.
 
  • #92
According to the police there had been a strict professional mail contact between them, and it was agreed that KW would go with PM in the submarine and write an article about him. They lived fairly close, but there are no indications that they knew each others before.
Foom a Swedish newspaper article: http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/dansk-polis-sa-bokade-kim-wall-mote-med-peter-madsen/


Even if the Danish (and Swedish) gun laws are very strict, during the last few years there have been an influx of illegal hand guns to the Copenhagen/Malmö area, and there have been several shootings there. I wouldn't be surprised if PM could have got a gun, but I don't think he would risk using it onboard the submarine.

It seems unlikely an eccentric geeky inventor would be moving in the same circles as gangsters.
 
  • #93
Hi all. :-)
This is my first post here, though I have been reading this forum for many years (especially about the McStays). Now we have a case in my own country (Denmark) that fortunately is very rare here. I do have an opinion about this that I want to share with you.

I do believe that Kims murder was planned. The reason for that is these 10 arguments (that I ofcourse only got from the news-channel and the news-media):

1: PM (Peter Madsen) has been dreaming of, for years, that he one day would make a huge happening where the police was chasing him for an unknown reason. Thats why his friends and family first thought that this was some kind of joke and that Kim would turn up after a few days or so, smiling and say haha this was just for fun, but now we know that she didnt.

2: He had often talked about that he made things happen if he could. Like "If I can do it then I will do it".

3: He had some events arranged the day after the murder, that he for unknown reasons had cancelled, before he went on the trip with Kim.

4: He sank his submarine at the same moment when someone spotted him, which makes me think that he wasnt finished with erasing the clues in the boat. Its like that when someone approached him and said "hey there you are" then he just made the boat go poof. Took only 30 sec and he apparently knew it was possible to do that fast and also needed to do. He had probably been thinking about doing that before he was spottet. It was not an act of panic, I bet.

5: His first statements was totally lies about leaving her somewhere at the exact time where she had to be home or had to contact her boyfriend, so he had thought about timing. Too much thinking for a man in panic. As the evidence showed up, he did have to change his statements though. There was survaillance-cameraes at the place he said he dropped her off, which he apparently didnt know about, so that ruined his initial statement and probably his whole plan, because it could be proved that she wasnt present on the place, when he said she would be.

6: He did also claim at first that Kim was there to do an interview on him and his submarine, and that it was a magazine called "Wired" that should be the media to publish it. Danish journalists had contacted that magazine and asked if they knew anything about that and their response was that they havent heard about it at all. So why was she there, then?

7: He dismembered the body, which in my opinion is a strange act IF he was in panic, because I would have thought that the first panic-ish thought must have been to just throw the body over board, but a policeman told our news-channel that it might be possible for people in a total state of panic to do such things, though its very rare. Its just sick no matter why.

8: This is what made me think it was planned. He punctured the body so that the gasses could be let out, so the body didnt float to the suface. Who on earth do think about that in a state of panic? I really do believe that this has been researched before he even went on that trip with her.

9: When he got ashore he was interviewed and he did NOT act like he had just been experiencing something very cruel. Not at all. He just babbled about how sad he was about the submarine and that he had a failure that made it sink. No signs of shock or nervousity or anything that showed his distress.

10: The police did immidiately arrest him for murder when he came ashore. We still dont know why they already, at that point, thought of that, but something must have told them that there was something wrong.


This is just my opinion about why I think it was planned from start.
No matter what, then PM is already in deep s... with what he finally admitted, so I think he will go under with his submarine soon, when the police starts to dig even deeper than they already have. They are so far also looking at another dismembered body from 1986 where the body also was punctured to keep it down, so maybe he has been practising for this in his early days. His age differs from media to media. The last I heard from the news channel was that he is 48 which make him 18 back then. So its possible he did that too.

I don't agree it was planned or he would have covered himself better. This guy can build rockets and submarines so would be used to planning. If it was planned it is the worst planned murder ever in history!
 
  • #94
6: He did also claim at first that Kim was there to do an interview on him and his submarine, and that it was a magazine called "Wired" that should be the media to publish it. Danish journalists had contacted that magazine and asked if they knew anything about that and their response was that they havent heard about it at all. So why was she there, then?

10: The police did immidiately arrest him for murder when he came ashore. We still dont know why they already, at that point, thought of that, but something must have told them that there was something wrong.


Police has clearly stated that they have seen the e-mail correspondance between Wall and Madsen, where they agree to do the interview and go on the trip. She did a lot of freelance work, and that a magazine she perhaps was writing for hasn't heard about the story, doesn't mean that she wasn't there to do an interview and a story.

He was not arrested immediately when he came ashore. He came ashore around 11.30 am and was taken to the police station at Halmtorvet, where a maritime inquiry took place. I have been employed for several years by the Danish Maritime Authority, and I know that this is total standard procedure following accidents at sea. First at 17.44 pm the police states that he is under arrest and charged for the killing.
 
  • #95
Police has clearly stated that they have seen the e-mail correspondance between Wall and Madsen, where they agree to do the interview and go on the trip. She did a lot of freelance work, and that a magazine she perhaps was writing for hasn't heard about the story, doesn't mean that she wasn't there to do an interview and a story.

He was not arrested immediately when he came ashore. He came ashore around 11.30 am and was taken to the police station at Halmtorvet, where a maritime inquiry took place. I have been employed for several years by the Danish Maritime Authority, and I know that this is total standard procedure following accidents at sea. First at 17.44 pm the police states that he is under arrest and charged for the killing.
But isn't that awfully quick? Within 6 hours they charge him with killing.

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  • #96
I don't agree it was planned or he would have covered himself better. This guy can build rockets and submarines so would be used to planning. If it was planned it is the worst planned murder ever in history!

You might be right, or I might be right. We cant tell before we get some more info on this.
But the guy was known as having lack of social skills, plus he apparently is very intelligent, so I think that he has thought that people are stupid and/or the police are stupid, so they never would find out the truth. We do often see psycopaths think that they are wiser than the police. I think that he never counted on them to find the body or have survaillance-cameraes. That ruined his plan. He might have been able to get away with this if those 2 things didnt show up.

There is also a difference in planning a technical project and planning a murder in my opinion. I have never planned a murder though...lol
 
  • #97
Police has clearly stated that they have seen the e-mail correspondance between Wall and Madsen, where they agree to do the interview and go on the trip. She did a lot of freelance work, and that a magazine she perhaps was writing for hasn't heard about the story, doesn't mean that she wasn't there to do an interview and a story.

He was not arrested immediately when he came ashore. He came ashore around 11.30 am and was taken to the police station at Halmtorvet, where a maritime inquiry took place. I have been employed for several years by the Danish Maritime Authority, and I know that this is total standard procedure following accidents at sea. First at 17.44 pm the police states that he is under arrest and charged for the killing.

Ok. I didnt see anything in the news about that, so thats probably correct. But he was detained immidiately. They didnt let him go home first.
 
  • #98
Ok. I didnt see anything in the news about that, so thats probably correct. But he was detained immidiately. They didnt let him go home first.

That's correct, but it's standard procedure - it doesn't tell us anything about whether they already suspected him or not. A maritime inquiry is held to, as quickly as possible, to get informations about the accident, responsibilites etc.
 
  • #99
That's correct, but it's standard procedure - it doesn't tell us anything about whether they already suspected him or not. A maritime inquiry is held to, as quickly as possible, to get informations about the accident, responsibilites etc.

Ok, then that could mean that he already under the first police-inquiry has told them that he buried her at sea.
Somehow it seemed to me that the police first got that info under the court-meeting the morning after, after he had a talk with his lawyer.

If he didnt tell the police at first, but waited until the new evidens was presented to him, then there must be something else the police has been suspecious of.
 
  • #100
Todays news:

Prosecutor will on the next court-meeting at sep. 5 charge him for manslaughter. Not just unintended murder as he is in custody for now.

Prosecutor will also charge him for unproper dealing with body.

Police ask people to look for her cloth, because she was naked when found. Its an orange blouse, a white/black skirt, a pair of white tennis-shoes, a dark hairband and some nyling-stockings. The police are searching over a huge area to find her things and the rest of the body but want people to help too.

Prosecutor will also at sep. 5 demand that he gets a mental evaluation.


Sorry about my translation. I cant find the news in english anywhere.
 
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