GUILTY Denmark - Kim Wall, 30, Copenhagen, 10 Aug 2017

[Moll]

There was a missing memory card from the camera, wasn't there?

 

[ZaZara]

@CaliforniaRobin

Witness 9 is one of #PeterMadsen’s lover. She’s known him since May 2015, she worked as a volunteer photographer. #PeterMadsen lived with her in 2016.

Prosecutor: Did you had sexual relations with #petermadsen? Answer: No.

Prosecutor: did you talked about very personal things with each other? Answer: yes. Very personal things. Prosecutor: what about death? Answer: yes. There are many who have died around me (the witness).

Prosecutor: Did your conversations get more extreme? Answer: yes. Prosecutor what exactly? (10 second pause) 2x we talked girls in relation to death. Was it exciting? Or whether this kind of thing exists.

Prosecutor: did he have a fascination with death? Witness: Yes.

Prosecutor,Has he talked about ways to die?Answer: yes, the most uncomfortable way to die-"You are sealed inside a large tube of pink plush & the tube rolls so that you can’t fall asleep. And you die of sleep shortage."

Prosecutor: Did you talk about sexual fantasies? Answer: . He said you try 2x & it is not interesting anymore. He was always pushing the boundaries.”

Answer: the whole thing was a little manic in the end.We talked about a three or foursome & that I could participate.But I didn’t want to. So maybe I could film. But I didn’t want to. Peter said that it may be arranged.

Once the witness sent #petermadsen a picture of a women’s groin and meat. “He called within 5 seconds.”

Their relationship soured in 2017 & they didn’t see each other so much. “I had been warned about #PeterMadsen. I had a conversation with someone to leave the project.

The witness had her own psychopath who had threatened to dismember her father & her colleague. One time she says that #PeterMadsen asked, “How can I be more dangerous than your psychopath.”

Prosecutor: Did he ever say we should make a snuff film? Answer: Yes.

Defense will now questions witness 9 about she ended her relation with the lab. Answer: “it was difficult- this double life - to live with.”

Answer con’t: “My psychologist said I should distance myself from #PeterMadsen...So I broke off my work at the lab. I was very occupied by the relationship.”

Defense: Didn’t you have a death fascination, yourself?. Answer: “I have always had a death fascination, but not at the same level.” Note: there has been death and sickness in witnesses family.

Defense: were you afraid of #petermadsen? Answer: No.

Defense: did he say he was a loving psychopath? Answer: He said he was a psychopath several times. Once he said he was a loving psychopath.

There are two more witnesses, but the court has decided that they will remain anonymous and the testimony will proceed behind closed doors.

One witness cancelled, and the court has decided that this afternoon’s will remain anonymous and the testimony will proceed behind closed doors.

 

[SATA]

There was a missing memory card from the camera, wasn't there?

Yes, believe so, no memory on the camera.

 

[bajas]

Hello everyone, just discovered this which gives the best live coverage,it's better than @CaliforniaRobin which I posted earlier and no need for google translate

https://news.sky.com/story/live-kim-wall-submarine-murder-trial-day-three-11299696

You can go back to the start of the trial and read about what was missing when the sound was bad in the courtroom.

 

[SATA]

Hello everyone, just discovered this which gives the best live coverage,it's better than @CaliforniaRobin which I posted earlier and no need for google translate

https://news.sky.com/story/live-kim-wall-submarine-murder-trial-day-three-11299696

You can go back to the start of the trial and read about what was missing when the sound was bad in the courtroom.

This is the one to use, thank you!

 

[Moll]

Thanks, Bajas - we've relied on Sky for other cases and it looks like a good option here, at least for English-speakers. The bit I never fully got clear involving snuff movies does definitely say he expressed the intention to do it - I wasn't sure how definite the verb was.

2h

Prosecutor asks if she told the police that Peter Madsen had mentioned the word 'snuff' to her and that he had said something like "we are going to make snuff". "Yes," 'friend' says @SkyNews#SubmarineTrial #KimWall #PeterMadsen

 

[Moll]

fukssvans med orange skaft is a saw with an orange handle.
Google pictures is very clear about that!

Madsen ville lave dødsporno is clear in Danish even without the google translation! and I do not even know Danish!

Death what a killer phrase. Tells it like it is, while snuff movie keeps it vague - is that deliberate?

Very nice picture of a saw with an orange handle - pity Google images and Google translate aren't linked in some way! There was an 's' missing from 'fukssvans' in the EB report and without that it didn't come up.

I think the whole morning has been pretty damning, and the fact that the woman was weird too doesn't alter that.

 

[SATA]

Very nice picture of a saw with an orange handle - pity Google images and Google translate aren't linked in some way! There was an 's' missing from 'fukssvans' in the EB report and without that it didn't come up.

I think the whole morning has been pretty damning, and the fact that the woman was weird too doesn't alter that.

She was not just weird, she also came across as insecure and vulnerable, which damages PM even more.

She was in court with a support person (not sure what it´s called in English, in Danish it is, bisidder.)

 

[meticulously]

Yes, believe so, no memory on the camera.

What has he done with it ?

 

[Moll]

Thanks, SATA, that's the kind of thing it's really valuable to know, and easily missed at a distance (linguistic and otherwise).

 

[ZaZara]

Google Translate is like a drunk person on acid too.

The mistakes aren´t even consistent! Things are translated differently from time to time, and as L_I says, you have to correct so much for it make sense at all.
Obviously you miss a lot and sorry about that!

The first time I searched for fuksvans med orange skaft I found a page full of saws with orange handle at Google pictures.
That was less than 2 hours ago.

I repeated the search just now and the saws with orange handles have all but disappeared. Instead: Two men having coffee. Men on a bridge in the mist. Models. Pink rubber boots for kids. Lawn mowing. Axes. Decorating the bathroom. Peter Madsen. Hot tubs. Woodwork.

The first saw with an orange handle is 20 rows down.


:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

 

[ZaZara]

She was not just weird, she also came across as insecure and vulnerable, which damages PM even more.

She was in court with a support person (not sure what it´s called in English, in Danish it is, bisidder.)

by-sider, or by-sitter, someone by your side, what a lovely word!


So she found someone she could talk to about her horrible past. And he found someone for his sick fantasies. Praise to the therapist who managed to steer her away.

Did PM have any relationship that wasn't in some way abusive? asking for a friend.

 

[Moll]

ZaZara
This is very, very strange.
I initially searched only for 'fuksvans' and got nothing but was, admittedly, not as persevering as you have been. My little dictionary gives 'sav' for saw and hasn't got 'fukssvans', but the real meaning was obvious so I didn't pursue it. As for wristwatch, it bears no resemblance to saw in either language....
Did you notice the translation of the EB account today said PM was wearing pretty pants? And the witness was sometimes the wind. It would be funny if it wasn't all so grim.

 

[SATA]

What has he done with it ?

I DON`T KNOW!

Everyone has this suspicion he filmed the horrible things he did on Nautilus that night.

 

[SATA]

by-sider, or by-sitter, someone by your side, what a lovely word!


So she found someone she could talk to about her horrible past. And he found someone for his sick fantasies. Praise to the therapist who managed to steer her away.

Did PM have any relationship that wasn't in some way abusive? asking for a friend.

Exactly, you got it right. The word covers a person you choose to accompany you to, say, meetings with authorities, doctors whatever they may be, in this case a court appearance. It can be for emotional support or to help you understand and remember proceedings.
It is a volunteer, no pay, and can be any person, professional in his/her field or just a friend.

Not to women for sure!
He apparently enjoyed holding a screwdriver to the nostrils and mouth of his wife.... in the workshop with people looking on. What did he do when they were alone?!

BTW, will she testify? She has to, hasn´t she?​

 

[ZaZara]

ZaZara
This is very, very strange.
I initially searched only for 'fuksvans' and got nothing but was, admittedly, not as persevering as you have been. My little dictionary gives 'sav' for saw and hasn't got 'fukssvans', but the real meaning was obvious so I didn't pursue it. As for wristwatch, it bears no resemblance to saw in either language....
Did you notice the translation of the EB account today said PM was wearing pretty pants? And the witness was sometimes the wind. It would be funny if it wasn't all so grim.

All I did was search for fuksvans med orange skaft. Highlighted it and clicked search with google.
Google suggested fukssvans med orange skaft and all results came immediately and no problem whatsoever.


This is very worrying and not good at all.

 

[meticulously]

I DON`T KNOW!

Everyone has this suspicion he filmed the horrible things he did on Nautilus that night.

Yes im thinking that is true that he filmed a " snuff " also .
moo

 

[SATA]

All I did was search for fuksvans med orange skaft. Highlighted it and clicked search with google.
Google suggested fukssvans med orange skaft and all results came immediately and no problem whatsoever.


This is very worrying and not good at all.

If there was some logic to it, it would be easier to deal with; you would know what to look out for and correct it.

 

[SATA]

I put an article through the Chrome direct translate.
Peter Madsen was called a psychopath, but the translation was psychologist....

It is pretty much useless.

 

[SATA]

The press here is catching on to PM´s state of utter stress (I would say he was panicked and LIVID) up to the test launches of rockets from Copenhagen Suborbitals and Madsen´s Rumlaboratorium in the same week.