Did the jury get it wrong, or...

[goldenlover]

Have you read the analogy someone gave, about how waking up and seeing the snow on the ground, how could maybe believe that a neighbor brought a snow machine in the night, but the logical assumption is that there was a storm? Sure we didnt see the storm, but we can still intelligently say that is what happened.

You dont think its reasonable to assume that one of the pieces got moved to any other location by animals or water, but you think it IS reasonable to assume that three pieces got moved from another location to RIGHT where the body was of all places, by water and animals? Can you see how although we dont know for sure which it is, common sense is that its the former that happened?

I can see what you are saying, but if the 3 pieces were stuck together, it was then one piece and the odds are equal for either chunk of duct tape to be moved.. but I think the leap is to far to make it a murder weapon and convict a person of 1st degree murder because there was duct tape by a skull that had been tampered with, who knows how many times by a strange man with a meter reader stick.

 

[magic-cat]

He did not say she was guilty he said she would be found guilty. After he saw her being tried in the court of public opinion, he joined the bandwagon of the defense team, probably after he took a look at the lack of evidence to convict her that the state had. I too, thought she should be found guilty...until the trial started and I saw what the state had..which was very little, and some if it seemed very contrived. Heck, many, many people on this forum posted after the state rested its case that they felt that something was missing..that is the problem..something is missing to get a conviction on any of the top 3 charges. Its just not there.

So what you are saying, in essence, and please do feel free to correct me if I am wrong, that even if she IS guilty and the court of public opinion agrees with that fact, that she should be found innocent because we all KNOW that she is guilty? I base my personal belief on the evidence...not only what THEY were shown, but what I have seen and read in addition to what they were shown. So, I should disregard all the facts as I know them to be, and so should all the other members of our society, and we should base OUR opinion on only whatever limited information this jury happened to receive? So we should ignore the rest right? Act as if it does not exist? So that we, the court of public opinion, as some are so fond of calling us, would have and express no preconceived notions about her guilt or innocence?

 

[magic-cat]

Seems to me that some folks want to weave a fantasy out of all of this instead of applying the facts to the circumstances the baby was found in. Do people even comprehend that Caylee was a living breathing little baby girl that was thrown away like garbage and never even reported missing OR missed by her own mother? That her car smelled of human decomp? That her baby was torn apart by animals while she partied and sexed the nights away? Caylee is dead. Casey did not and does not care. That MEANS something important in and of itself. That fact stands out above all others. She did not care that her baby was dead. It meant nothing to her. And it obviously means nothing to her scant defenders, who weave fantasy and fiction from fact.:banghead:

 

[Solange82200]

I can see what you are saying, but if the 3 pieces were stuck together, it was then one piece and the odds are equal for either chunk of duct tape to be moved.. but I think the leap is to far to make it a murder weapon and convict a person of 1st degree murder because there was duct tape by a skull that had been tampered with, who knows how many times by a strange man with a meter reader stick.

Im sorry, but the leap is to assume that someone poking a skull with a meter stick somehow makes duct tape appear out of nowhere. Again, you are aware this duct tape was a rare brand that matched the one from the Anthony home? But you are saying it was there by accident, or that it somehow came from Kronk;s meter stick? I think these are what are considered unreasonable doubts, in my opinion. Especially when you look at all the other evidence supporting murder.

 

[IWillDare]

Interesting - what do you think the outcome would be. I am very liberal - however, I firmly believe that she is guilty and that there was more than enough evidence to substantiate this.

I do not agree with he DP so would have given her Life without the possibility of parole ....

Another liberal over here and think that ICA is guilty as sin...and so do all my liberal pals

I was hoping for LWOP however, because I wanted her in general population.

 

[cuppy199]

in addition to roy kronk moving the skull, the skull was moved by water and animals. who is to say where that duct tape was originally?

Well we know it was stuck to the hair. By the time caylee was found if it wasnt orignally stuck to the hair then it would not of been when it was found. All the adhesive was gone except what was stuck to the hair. Dt tried to claim the tape was on the garbage bag whats the chances of it coming off the garbage and ending up there. Highly unlikely not to mention if the tape was stuck to the bag it wouldn't come off the bag unless it took part of the bag with it.

 

[Solange82200]

Seems to me that some folks want to weave a fantasy out of all of this instead of applying the facts to the circumstances the baby was found in. Do people even comprehend that Caylee was a living breathing little baby girl that was thrown away like garbage and never even reported missing OR missed by her own mother? That her car smelled of human decomp? That her baby was torn apart by animals while she partied and sexed the nights away? Caylee is dead. Casey did not and does not care. That MEANS something important in and of itself. That fact stands out above all others. She did not care that her baby was dead. It meant nothing to her. And it obviously means nothing to her scant defenders, who weave fantasy and fiction from fact.:banghead:

The prosecutor explained it incredibly: in order to believe in innocence, you have to weave the facts in a way that involve more people, and that many would consider magical thinking. It makes no sense, none of it. When the only other alternative to murder is one that is akin to an irational conspiracy theory, that means you do not have a reasonable doubt. If you only needed doubt, then it would be just called "doubt". There is a reason the court emphasizes that it only needs to be a REASONABLE doubt.

 

[magic-cat]

He did not say she was guilty he said she would be found guilty. After he saw her being tried in the court of public opinion, he joined the bandwagon of the defense team, probably after he took a look at the lack of evidence to convict her that the state had. I too, thought she should be found guilty...until the trial started and I saw what the state had..which was very little, and some if it seemed very contrived. Heck, many, many people on this forum posted after the state rested its case that they felt that something was missing..that is the problem..something is missing to get a conviction on any of the top 3 charges. Its just not there.

The state HAD a hell-of-a lot more than what was presented in court. They were limited on what they were allowed to present, as some things were too prejudicial, meaning, the jury would have asked for her head on a platter if they saw or heard those things, so they were not allowed in. We are not talking about some virginal mother here. We are talking about a cold hearted ruthless conniving lying scheming witch...those ARE the facts...the jury just did not get to hear ALL of those facts...unfortunately. What the state had was not "very little". They had a six time felon who did not report her child missing and then her child was found dead in the woods. It does not take rocket science to put that one together...at least not for me.

 

[Soulmagent]

Uhm...
Well Caylee had SKIN when the tape was placed on her face. And her hair was on top of her head and not rotted off in a pool around the base of her skull. Also the tape was sticky when placed, but 6 months ina Florida swamp left no stickiness except the one place it was still stuck in her hair.

Cheney Mason is full of hot air. He said himself she was guilty until he signed on the bandwagon.

How? Very easily.

Would this duct tape then be in that pool of decomposition fluid? Just asking.

 

[cuppy199]

Another liberal over here and think that ICA is guilty as sin...and so do all my liberal pals

I was hoping for LWOP however, because I wanted her in general population.

You will have to excuse me but Im kinda confused with all this liberal talk. Would someone explain to me what being liberal has to do with finding someone guilty or not :waitasec:

 

[Lovejac]

I can't think of what to say

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[magic-cat]

Well we know it was stuck to the hair. By the time caylee was found if it wasnt orignally stuck to the hair then it would not of been when it was found. All the adhesive was gone except what was stuck to the hair. Dt tried to claim the tape was on the garbage bag whats the chances of it coming off the garbage and ending up there. Highly unlikely not to mention if the tape was stuck to the bag it wouldn't come off the bag unless it took part of the bag with it.

Also not to mention that if it had come off the bag that would have required a whole lot of water and that would have made the stickiness no more. It would not have reattached to her hair as there would not have been any stickiness to it to do so...not to mention, it would have brought some bag with it. Chance it came off bag and restuck in hair? Zero...:waitasec:

 

[cuppy199]

Would this duct tape then be in that pool of decomposition fluid? Just asking.

How is there any decomposition fluid even left in a wooded area that was under water at one time?

 

[Solange82200]

You will have to excuse me but Im kinda confused with all this liberal talk. Would someone explain to me what being liberal has to do with finding someone guilty or not :waitasec:

Someone pointed out that they feel the jury was all liberal, hence them not convicting. This has actually been said several times here, so some of the liberals are just piping up to say that they are liberals and would not have found her innocent.

As far as the question about a pool of decomp fluid, what pool??? It was 6 months later, after a tropical storm, what decomp fluid would there have been?

 

[Schu7]

Well good people, I am starting to figure out how the bad people(jurors) did their civic duty by deliberating wisely. Intelligently Compassionately with the victim Caylee in mind.

1 - Cindy was believable in all ways. They felt her grief. She was on mediations. Tired from testifying so much. Completely believable. So her evidence is a go here.
(should I mention that Cindy testified in depth about her NOT being on mediations NOW in the trial?) or (That Cindy was proven a liar on her being at work, not at home?) or (tired from endless self making money interviews.) or (Well it would take too long to list the insanity here.)

2 - George was probably guilty of murder here. Or at least removing the body from the pool, and throwing it in the swamp. He was just to shifty and combative on the witness stand. He was hiding something, even more then murdering Caylee. George probably slaughtered Caylee because he was angry at Casey for the lack of recent sex from her. So he killed her precious daughter in revenge.
(please do not start with me here on this nonsense and insanity. Outrage is way to soft of a word here for what I feel!)

3 - Lee cried good. So they believed him fully. He was raping Casey also. Father like son and all.
(flights of sick fanciful lunacy here gone wild.)

4 - Casey looked good. Her deportment was impeccable. No need for her to be put through the pain and anguish of testifying against her own sick father here. Just like her mom, Casey was and is a fine bible toting human of the finest kind. Daughter like mom and all. She would never even think of doing any harm. The partying was just very mild and normal for any young person. And misdirecting the whole of the police and media was an act of unending compassion on her part. She was shielding her father by falling on her sword. Besides, she winks great at you.
(I swear Casey has some evil hypnotic power over people near her! That is the only faint idea can come up with here.)

5 - Kronk - He sure can not be trusted. If he was trust worthy, the fine gentleman police officer who came out to his call in August would have walked a couple easy paces off the road and found the body. The officer rightful chewed Kronk out for wasting his time. It sure was not worth getting his nice shinny boot dirty for this sick morally bankrupt human. So Kronk's evidence definitely goes here.
(I would like to take the jurors out to where Caylee body was right now. It is under water again. And the snakes are out in force and vicious.)

6 - The States forensic evidence was nonexistent. No DNA you know. And we did not want to bother the court clerks with getting any evidence anyway.
(They just wanted to go home and get $$$ rich. So no evidence was ever considered of a real type.)

7 - JB had neat pop tarts. Well that says it all. The defense rules the day in a walk here. Besides he had neat pictures for us at the end.
(These brain dead idiots failed their reading and comprehensions skills test in school as badly as they failed the law system. And all of us.)

8 - Caylee? Who is she???
(I strongly now believe they had no idea the victim expected better of them for justice. Oh so sadly sick!!!)


OK, will some help me here. I do now get it. And why is it that we can not put the jurors in jail for crimes against the intellectual levels of human beings again?????

 

[magic-cat]

I can't think of what to say

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I'll help...

Caylee, honey, we are so sorry that this thing has happened to you and even more sorry that your justice was denied you. We pray that you did not suffer, that you did not even know what was about to happen or that it did happen. We have literally come to love you little baby girl, we actually fell head over heels in love with you, and there are those of us who will never forget you and will keep you close and warm and safe in our hearts...forever. Rest well baby girl in the arms of God.

 

[goldenlover]

I hope they have enhanced photos of the stain showing Caylee and release them now. Your post reminded me of the one where a close up was taken of the stain showing what looked like duct taped arms behind her body.

I wonder why they didn't enhance the photo and make it part of the evidence? I would like to see that. If it does look like duct taped arms it would have been a HUGE piece of evidence.

 

[cuppy199]

Someone pointed out that they feel the jury was all liberal, hence them not convicting. This has actually been said several times here, so some of the liberals are just piping up to say that they are liberals and would not have found her innocent.

As far as the question about a pool of decomp fluid, what pool??? It was 6 months later, after a tropical storm, what decomp fluid would there have been?

Thanks I have to say I must of missed that. There wouldn't be any decomp left. If the water didnt take it then it would of just kept decomposing until it wasnt anymore.

 

[Solange82200]

I wonder why they didn't enhance the photo and make it part of the evidence? I would like to see that. If it does look like duct taped arms it would have been a HUGE piece of evidence.

I didnt really put much into the stain, I think you could maybe make the stain look like a child if you looked hard enough, but I dont think it was evident enough.

Why would the stain be huge? If they didn't believe the dead body odor, the text by Casey ADMITTING the smell of death in her car, her abandoning the car shortly after, the decomp chemicals found by Vass, and the cadaver dog hit mean anything, a stain would suddenly make a difference? What I dont get is that it is a known fact that the body was taken to the swamp, yet people dont believe it was in the trunk that smelled like death, had decomp chemicals, and a cadaver dog hit? Its more reasonable to assume the body was moved in another car that had none of these?

 

[Mare10]

I have no idea what the jury got or didn't get. All I know is what I know. I know ICA is guilty. Of what charge, I do not know, I believe Murder 1 or any of the lesser charges would have sufficed. There was an abundance of evidence, not one of the jury had the guts to ask to see it. I can believe premeditation without a doubt, but I can also believe it was done in a fit of rage and maybe by accident. But by all things holy, no, I do not believe not guilty. I am so over our justice system, I am so over so many things that I admired. I'm done. I believe our judiciary system needs to change. What was good back then is not good now. We have moved on and so does our Judiciary system, they need to change. No longer is it acceptable to not ask to review evidence. It's all so complex, it needs to be reviewed. For this very reason, I think the jury got it totally wrong, inept maybe, but if required to review, then we may have a different outcome.