Well, IMO Mary's comment was an opinion.
Dina's comments, OTOH, about the existence of a bill, and who may or may not be sponsoring and supporting this bill are in a different category of fact and responsibility.
A journalist isn't necessarily responsible for fact checking someone's opinion, but they ARE responsible for verifying objective claims of fact. To not do so is not just unethical, but exposes the author and their editors and publisher to negative publicity and potential civil lawsuits. And it is irresponsible, IMO, to the public, whom they serve.
What in the story's description of the bill is false?
Lobbyists Quick Reference
DEFINITION OF LOBBYING: Attempting to influence the passage or defeat of any legislation by directly communicating with any legislator....
Designated Lobbyist (ID number begins with 3, files financial reports quarterly): The Secretary of States point of contact", who is required to file their Lobbyist Registration and Lobbyist Quarterly Expenditure Reports as well as the Principal's Registration and Annual Expenditure Reports. The Designated Lobbyist signs all reports filed for himself and for the Principal he represents. The Designated Lobbyist can be an individual or a firm whose primary professional function is lobbying in Arizona.
PRINCIPALS, PUBLIC BODIES AND THEIR LOBBYISTS MUST REGISTER PRIOR TO THE FIRST LOBBYING ATTEMPT OR, IN ANY EVENT WITHIN FIVE (5) BUSINESS DAYS AFTER ANY LOBBYING ACTIVITY
Well, for starters, there never was a "bill" in the 2013 session. Just an "idea" for a "bill". It isn't a bill until it's submitted and numbered during the session. Knowledgeable folks immediately look to see what the bill's number is, so they can pull up the history, calendar, and the progress of the bill. That is the level of governmental transparency that is open to every citizen, in every state. And it takes merely seconds to search for this, once a citizen logs onto a state government website. Some states even archive video of committee hearings online.
One of the issues related to the truthfulness of Dinas claims in the Phoenix Magazine article is whether or not Dina, or anyone from Maxies House BOD, has had ANY contact with State Senator Barto attempting to influence the passage or defeat of any actual, or potential legislation. It appears they have had fairly substantial contact, from, Dinas comments in the interview. Dina says the bill she is promoting was authored late in the 2013 session, with Senator Barto as sponsor, but it never made it to committee.
It took me less than one minute, as I read the article the first time, to ascertain that no bill matching Dinas description was ever submitted or numbered in the 2013 session, with or without Senator Barto as a sponsor, in either the House or Senate of the AZ legislature.
And that brings us to lobbying rules in Arizonaprobably the strictest state in the nation for lobbyists. IMO, legislators get kinda cranky when they are name dropped too early in the process of developing the ideas for a bill, and then they might be less receptive when there is negative publicity. (This is Lobbying 101, on the dont do this list.)
So you see, Dina has placed Senator Barto, AND herself, AND Maxies House BOD, in somewhat of a difficult position with her name dropping in the Phoenix Magazine article. Dinas own words place her relationship with Senator Barto, for the purpose of influencing legislation, as early as the 2013 AZ Legislative session (Jan to May 2013, or at least 8-10 months ago).
The Phoenix Magazine article was published in August, and it is now October. As of today, no one from Maxies House BOD (including Dina, and Michael Chetworth, quoted in the article) is listed as a registered lobbyist. David Bodney was the only one with a record of being a registered lobbyist, and he has been terminated since January 2009, when he represented another childrens advocacy group.
http://www.azsos.gov/scripts/Lobbyist_Search.dll/ZoomLOB?LOB_ID=3206368
So, that would be pretty clearly outside of the 5 days prescribed by the AZSOS website, which opens them all up for potential sanctions (misdemeanor chargesyeesh!).
If Craig Outhier had done 15 min of internet research before he submitted his interview of Dina, he would have discovered that Senator Barto has not made any public comments, or identified Dinas issue in any way as something she is sponsoring, or intends to sponsor in 2014. That is why it was, IMO, very important for him and his editors to reach out to Senator Barto for commentto validate Dinas claims, when there is no evidence of her publicly supporting this issue.
IMO, he wasnt acting as a journalist, but more as a transcriptionist for whatever Dina wanted to say. That is pretty lazy journalism, IMOperhaps even incompetent journalism. It is more than just a simple mistake.
As I said in another post, his interview was just fine right up to the point that a sitting State Senator was named as a sponsor for a bill that never officially existed.
http://www.azsos.gov/election/lobbyist/lobbyist_reg_reporting.htm
Info for lobbyists on AZ SOS site:
http://www.azsos.gov/election/lobbyist/
This is the AZ Lobbyists Handbook, from the AZSOS website.
http://www.azsos.gov/election/lobbyist/lobbyisthandbook.pdf
Oh- and BTW, Craig Outhier also made an error when he referred to Dinas educational degreewhich Dina herself should have made efforts to have corrected. I wonder if she has done this?
Again, what does the article state that you know is false? Please provide a link.
The article clearly states the bill was not going to be introduced that session so why would anyone waste their time looking for it? Senator Barto could easily ask for a correction or clarification if she wasn't happy with the article and I've seen none appear.
JMO
BBM.
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The article does not say the bill was not going to be introduced. In fact, it heavily implies that it WAS introduced (written, sponsored, and "never made it to committee").
I guess the logic of the deception may difficult to understand.
BBM. The article is very clear the bill was written and did not make it to committee. Nowhere does it imply that it was introduced to the full legislature. I do agree that the logic of deception is difficult to understand and I'll do more rolling and scrolling.
Sponsored by State Senator Nancy Barto (R-Phoenix), the bill was authored late in the 2013 legislative session and did not make it to committee before lawmakers adjourned for the year, Shacknai says. But thats good because were working to fine-tune the bill so it would be acceptable in a nonpartisan way.
BBM. The article is very clear the bill was written and did not make it to committee. Nowhere does it imply that it was introduced to the full legislature. I do agree that the logic of deception is difficult to understand and I'll do more rolling and scrolling.
Sponsored by State Senator Nancy Barto (R-Phoenix), the bill was authored late in the 2013 legislative session and did not make it to committee before lawmakers adjourned for the year, Shacknai says. “But that’s good because we’re working to fine-tune the bill so it would be acceptable in a nonpartisan way.”
BBM. The article is very clear the bill was written and did not make it to committee. Nowhere does it imply that it was introduced to the full legislature. I do agree that the logic of deception is difficult to understand and I'll do more rolling and scrolling.
Sponsored by State Senator Nancy Barto (R-Phoenix), the bill was authored late in the 2013 legislative session and did not make it to committee before lawmakers adjourned for the year, Shacknai says. But thats good because were working to fine-tune the bill so it would be acceptable in a nonpartisan way.
Bringing my old post over. (The discussion was in response to the video released by Maxie's House on Youtube, "Parental Disclosure Act". (Link in first post in this thread.)
Old 03-13-2013, 11:00 AM
K_Z
This ^^^
And right now, IMO, that is a very awkward situation for both Dina and the Senator. If Dina is being less than truthful about the Senator's involvement and future sponsorship, or mischaracterizing whatever contact they have had, the Senator may be so annoyed that she may not have anything to do with Dina or her issues in the future.
And if Dina is being truthful, and Senator Barto IS working with Dina and the Maxie's House BOD, they are in a bit of a bad situation, because they do not have a registered lobbyist. For at least 10 months, including one legislative session. There could be uncomfortable consequences for both of them.
Here is a link that is designed to aid school children in learning about the Arizona process for introducing a bill. A bill isn't assigned a number until it is introduced to the full legislature. Hope this helps clear the confusion.
http://www.azleg.gov/alispdfs/hbillaw.pdf
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Hi KZ!
I missed the class on the consequences of not having a registered lobbyist? Could you reiterate, please? TIA
In my opinion, Dina simply dropped Senator Barto's name. It reminds me of the picture of Dina standing in front of her dressing room door at the Dr. Phil show.
What is the penalty for a violation of the lobbyist laws?
A knowing violation of any of the lobbyist laws is a Class 1 misdemeanor, unless another penalty is specifically prescribed.
The Secretary of State is required to refer matters to the Attorney General for enforcement when the Secretary has reasonable cause to believe a person is violating any provision of the lobbyist statutes.
13-707. Misdemeanors; sentencing
A. A sentence of imprisonment for a misdemeanor shall be for a definite term to be served other than a place within custody of the state department of corrections. The court shall fix the term of imprisonment within the following maximum limitations:
1. For a class 1 misdemeanor, six months.
2. For a class 2 misdemeanor, four months.
3. For a class 3 misdemeanor, thirty days.
B. A person who is at least eighteen years of age or who has been tried as an adult and who stands convicted of any misdemeanor or petty offense, other than a traffic offense, and who has been convicted of one or more of the same misdemeanors or petty offenses within two years next preceding the date of the present offense shall be sentenced for the next higher class of offense than that for which the person currently is convicted. Time spent incarcerated within the two years next preceding the date of the offense for which a person is currently being sentenced shall not be included in the two years required to be free of convictions.
C. If a person is convicted of a misdemeanor offense and the offense requires enhanced punishment because it is a second or subsequent offense, the court shall determine the existence of the previous conviction. The court shall allow the allegation of a prior conviction to be made in the same manner as the allegation prescribed by section 28-1387, subsection A.
D. A person who has been convicted in any court outside the jurisdiction of this state of an offense that if committed in this state would be punishable as a misdemeanor or petty offense is subject to this section. A person who has been convicted as an adult of an offense punishable as a misdemeanor or petty offense under the provisions of any prior code in this state is subject to this section.
E. The court may direct that a person who is sentenced pursuant to subsection A of this section shall not be released on any basis until the sentence imposed by the court has been served.
32-3208. Criminal charges; mandatory reporting requirements; civil penalty
A. A health professional who has been charged with a misdemeanor involving conduct that may affect patient safety or a felony after receiving or renewing a license or certificate must notify the health professional's regulatory board in writing within ten working days after the charge is filed.
B. An applicant for licensure or certification as a health professional who has been charged with a misdemeanor involving conduct that may affect patient safety or a felony after submitting the application must notify the regulatory board in writing within ten working days after the charge is filed.
C. On receipt of this information the regulatory board may conduct an investigation.
D. A health professional who does not comply with the notification requirements of this section commits an act of unprofessional conduct. The health professional's regulatory board may impose a civil penalty of not more than one thousand dollars in addition to other disciplinary action it takes.
E. The regulatory board may deny the application of an applicant who does not comply with the notification requirements of this section.
F. On request a health profession regulatory board shall provide an applicant or health professional with a list of misdemeanors that the applicant or health professional must report.
Everyone who is sticking their neck out for Dina might want to get an update on the truth so as not to look too foolish!
Have you read the book yet Kittychi? Would you consider that the truth?