Dina Shacknai Sueing County for MS Autopsy Photos

[K_Z]

And? What does that mean ? Does that mean she is not a victim in this victim friendly forum? She lost her baby in a horrid, negligent fashion. I think she deserves some sympathy and some respect.

Of course Dina deserves our sympathy for the loss of her only son in a horrible accident. There is no official evidence of negligence-- that is your opinion of the events. She is a grieving mother-- that is without question.

However, like other family members of dead and murdered victims, she has chosen to be visible in the media. And just as people such as George and Cindy Anthony deserve our sympathy for the horrible loss and murder of their granddaughter, their OTHER public actions are open to scrutiny. Dina has chosen to say a number of things about her career and her education that are only barely ethical and accurate. She has chosen to highlight what she believes are her professional accomplishments in order to present herself as an authoritative professional. That is fair game to question.

Dr. Shacknai earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration from San Francisco State University and a Doctoral degree in Clinical Psychology from Argosy University in Phoenix. A native of San Francisco, she worked in computer networking and medical sales prior to her move to the Phoenix area thirteen years ago.

While volunteering at the Southwest Autism Research and Resource Center (SARRC), Dr. Shacknai organized and coordinated numerous successful projects. She was the volunteer Director of the SARRC Therapeutic Camp for Children with Autism and their families located at Whispering Hope Ranch (WHR). She was responsible for developing and writing the curricula as well as managing and facilitating the day-to-day operations of this program for two years, after which time SARRC and WHR hired a full-time Director. This unique volunteer opportunity served as a catalyst for Dr. Shacknai, as she realized her passion was inextricably tied to working with children. She subsequently returned to graduate school to pursue her doctorate in Clinical Psychology, with an emphasis in Developmental Psychology, completing two clinical rotations, a doctoral dissertation, and a requisite APA approved internship.

Dr. Shacknai has years of specialized experience working with children and their families, and has worked extensively at the distinguished Melmed Center in Arizona, conducting evaluations, providing treatment for children and adolescents, writing curricula, and facilitating social skills groups for children with developmental disabilities.

Maxie's untimely death unfortunately necessitated an indefinite leave of absence from Dr. Shacknai's established professional practice.

http://maxieshouse.org/about.php#dina


The real truth is that there is no evidence that Dina ever achieved approval to take her professional licensure boards. In fact, there is a document that clearly indicates that as of December 2010, just 7 months before Maxie's tragic death, she was directed by the board to repsond in writing as to why her clinical experiences did not meet AZ state statute requirements for approval to sit for boards. In fact, she tried to use one volunteer experience to also meet POST-doc requirements for supervised experience, as well as using the SAME clinical experience to meet pre-graduation requirements. And the psychologist who VERIFIED her experiences at Melmed, also confirms this to the licensure approval committee. The fact is, she did not meet requirements in Dec 2010, and was not approved to sit for boards.

http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn34.pdf

Now, a prudent candidate would take that to heart and actively seek to repair discrepancies, so that they could be eligible as soon as possible. And if a candidate actually thought that the clinical experiences MET board requirements, and the school approved them, and then found out the experiences DID NOT meet approval, I'd think the student/ graduate would be filing all sorts of grievances and suits against the school for fraudulently leading the student to believe they were meeting requirements.

We know that Dina left AZ to spend the summer in Coronado, just a few months after the board declined to approve her application to sit for licensure. The clinical facility she used on her application is in Scottsdale, AZ. Pretty hard to rack up hours of clinical experience, and supervisory hours, when you are out of state.

http://www.melmedcenter.com/

Janet Chao is the psychologist Dina reported to the board as supervising her clinical experience. Dr. Chao's bio on the Melmed Center website clearly states she is accustomed to supervising students, so I'm sure she is aware of the requirements for clinical experience, as well as the timeframe those have to be accomplished in. I'm sure she is accustomed to filing out reports for the AZ licensing committee, too. So, you have to scratch your head and ask "why" would Dina's experiences there not meet the state licensing board requirements? Why would her mentor write a report to the board that she surely KNEW did not meet statutory requirements??

Dina has stated publicly that she is on a "leave of absence". She has refrained from saying WHERE she is on a leave of absence FROM. It is highly unlikely that she was in a paid position at Melmed. Whatever her position was there, volunteer, or organized clinical experience, the board made it clear that no one can count pre-graduation experience concurrently with POST-doc supervisory requirements. That makes me laugh even thinking about it-- here-- count one experience a bunch of different ways. Do we as the public really want health care professionals fudging their clinical requirements? The board's job is to VERIFY the experiences of applicants against statutory requirements. Dina did not meet requirements. They treated her the same as they would any other applicant, from what I see.

Perhaps that is why Dina has an ax to grind on her website bio about all of her "experience" and how she "met all requirements" for awarding her degree. She is pissed, imo, that the board dared to question her.

Dina's nonprofit strokes her own ego and vindictiveness on a number of levels. She can't get a job as a licensed psychologist if she isn't licensed, but she CAN be the paid CEO of her own nonprofit. She probably needs some kind of income-- I doubt Jonah will support her forever. There are other jobs she can get, as well-- she is not required to sit for her license now, or anytime in the future. However, she is on VERY thin ice trying to market and groom her rather non-existent credentials as a professional psychologist. She must be VERY careful not to use any title that is protected by licensure laws.

All of this behavior that Dina has put out to the public, combined with public records such as licensure records, says to me Dina is not really aspiring to be the professional she wants everyone to think she is. Her self-proclaimed experiences are all volunteer (and student clinical) experiences at The Whispering Hope charity, SARRC, and Melmed. That is not really a robust professional vitae. And it is definitely fair game to criticize, since Dina opened the conversation by giving interviews, a press conference, and posting on her website. None of any of this has anything to do with the compassion most people feel toward the family members of children who have died tragically. But starting a nonprofit as a vindictive act to bash your ex-husband and his girlfriend, and misrepresenting your own professional credentials is definitely fair game for criticism. And praise, if worthy of such. Dina is not beyond ALL criticism simply because she is also a grieving mother.

If, as she continues to proclaim publicly, she wants to be tasken seriously as a professional, then she needs to DO what professionals do. Starting with obtaining the required clinical experience to sit for boards, and get her license. Then WORK in the field-- at a real job.

Those of us who are REAL licensed professionals can see right through her BS. She went to Argosy and was graduated (presumably). She is unlicensed, according to state records. That is where her professional credentials end, and it is unethical and fraudulent for her to continue to present herself as any kind of practicing professional, now or in the past. There is no public evidence that she has ever worked as a psychologist-- and in fact, would not be able to do so. (Unless hired into a government position-- occasionally some entities such as prisons, and other federally funded health care entities will hire unlicensed individuals into management positions, or such.)

I hope Maxie's House accomplishes something worthy for someone beyond Dina. But I have serious doubts. I don't think Maxie's House has much at all to so with Maxie-- it is exploitative of his name and memory, and very hypocritical, given her OWN history of domestic violence reports. And that is my opinion.

 

[jjenny]

I would have a really hard time NOT blaming the woman who was supposed to be watching my child if he fell to his death, and I thought she was negligent or worse. Especially if she had also stolen my husband. I really cannot blame her for being bitter. There is no excuse for what happened to that little boy. Something is really hinky, imo.

There is such a thing as an accident. If child was running and fell there might have been nothing anyone could have done, even if everybody else was in the house.

 

[K_Z]

Update- August 2011-- This indicates Dina was approved to sit for her boards.

http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn46.pdf

Still cannot find any evidence that she actually followed through, took boards, passed, and was licensed.

If someone else finds it, please post.

 

[katydid23]

There is such a thing as an accident. If child was running and fell there might have been nothing anyone could have done, even if everybody else was in the house.

The circumstances of that fall seem more than just a simple accident. A child does not land on a chandelier and pull it from the ceiling just with a simple fall. JMO

 

[freespeech]

The circumstances of that fall seem more than just a simple accident. A child does not land on a chandelier and pull it from the ceiling just with a simple fall. JMO

BBM

This is what frustrates me.

Why was Jonah in such a hurry to remodel and unload the house and why didn't he let the Zahau family investigate the premises?

If he or Dina question how that chandelier came down... and who wouldn't then they certainly had the access and ability to make that discovery but they did not do that...did they? I believe I read that they immediately discarded the chandelier rather than investigate how it fell. I wonder why?

You, I and most people would have definitely looked into that...no? To be honest I would have no idea how that huge fixture could fall. I doubt that Max or Rebecca together could pull it down but down it came. The police investigators should have discovered this. If not them then the parents.

If Jonah could hire PR and lawyers and get rid of all the evidence in an effort to protect himself then he could have also spent a minute or two trying to figure out how the chandelier came down. The same with Dina. If she had the energy to bash and accuse Rebecca then she should have sublimated some that rage to discover how Max's accident happened while the mansion was still intact. JMO.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Of course Dina deserves our sympathy for the loss of her only son in a horrible accident. There is no official evidence of negligence-- that is your opinion of the events. She is a grieving mother-- that is without question.

However, like other family members of dead and murdered victims, she has chosen to be visible in the media. And just as people such as George and Cindy Anthony deserve our sympathy for the horrible loss and murder of their granddaughter, their OTHER public actions are open to scrutiny. Dina has chosen to say a number of things about her career and her education that are only barely ethical and accurate. She has chosen to highlight what she believes are her professional accomplishments in order to present herself as an authoritative professional. That is fair game to question.



http://maxieshouse.org/about.php#dina


The real truth is that there is no evidence that Dina ever achieved approval to take her professional licensure boards. In fact, there is a document that clearly indicates that as of December 2010, just 7 months before Maxie's tragic death, she was directed by the board to repsond in writing as to why her clinical experiences did not meet AZ state statute requirements for approval to sit for boards. In fact, she tried to use one volunteer experience to also meet POST-doc requirements for supervised experience, as well as using the SAME clinical experience to meet pre-graduation requirements. And the psychologist who VERIFIED her experiences at Melmed, also confirms this to the licensure approval committee. The fact is, she did not meet requirements in Dec 2010, and was not approved to sit for boards.

http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PDF/agmn/mn34.pdf

Now, a prudent candidate would take that to heart and actively seek to repair discrepancies, so that they could be eligible as soon as possible. And if a candidate actually thought that the clinical experiences MET board requirements, and the school approved them, and then found out the experiences DID NOT meet approval, I'd think the student/ graduate would be filing all sorts of grievances and suits against the school for fraudulently leading the student to believe they were meeting requirements.

We know that Dina left AZ to spend the summer in Coronado, just a few months after the board declined to approve her application to sit for licensure. The clinical facility she used on her application is in Scottsdale, AZ. Pretty hard to rack up hours of clinical experience, and supervisory hours, when you are out of state.

http://www.melmedcenter.com/

Janet Chao is the psychologist Dina reported to the board as supervising her clinical experience. Dr. Chao's bio on the Melmed Center website clearly states she is accustomed to supervising students, so I'm sure she is aware of the requirements for clinical experience, as well as the timeframe those have to be accomplished in. I'm sure she is accustomed to filing out reports for the AZ licensing committee, too. So, you have to scratch your head and ask "why" would Dina's experiences there not meet the state licensing board requirements? Why would her mentor write a report to the board that she surely KNEW did not meet statutory requirements??

Dina has stated publicly that she is on a "leave of absence". She has refrained from saying WHERE she is on a leave of absence FROM. It is highly unlikely that she was in a paid position at Melmed. Whatever her position was there, volunteer, or organized clinical experience, the board made it clear that no one can count pre-graduation experience concurrently with POST-doc supervisory requirements. That makes me laugh even thinking about it-- here-- count one experience a bunch of different ways. Do we as the public really want health care professionals fudging their clinical requirements? The board's job is to VERIFY the experiences of applicants against statutory requirements. Dina did not meet requirements. They treated her the same as they would any other applicant, from what I see.

Perhaps that is why Dina has an ax to grind on her website bio about all of her "experience" and how she "met all requirements" for awarding her degree. She is pissed, imo, that the board dared to question her.

Dina's nonprofit strokes her own ego and vindictiveness on a number of levels. She can't get a job as a licensed psychologist if she isn't licensed, but she CAN be the paid CEO of her own nonprofit. She probably needs some kind of income-- I doubt Jonah will support her forever. There are other jobs she can get, as well-- she is not required to sit for her license now, or anytime in the future. However, she is on VERY thin ice trying to market and groom her rather non-existent credentials as a professional psychologist. She must be VERY careful not to use any title that is protected by licensure laws.

All of this behavior that Dina has put out to the public, combined with public records such as licensure records, says to me Dina is not really aspiring to be the professional she wants everyone to think she is. Her self-proclaimed experiences are all volunteer (and student clinical) experiences at The Whispering Hope charity, SARRC, and Melmed. That is not really a robust professional vitae. And it is definitely fair game to criticize, since Dina opened the conversation by giving interviews, a press conference, and posting on her website. None of any of this has anything to do with the compassion most people feel toward the family members of children who have died tragically. But starting a nonprofit as a vindictive act to bash your ex-husband and his girlfriend, and misrepresenting your own professional credentials is definitely fair game for criticism. And praise, if worthy of such. Dina is not beyond ALL criticism simply because she is also a grieving mother.

If, as she continues to proclaim publicly, she wants to be tasken seriously as a professional, then she needs to DO what professionals do. Starting with obtaining the required clinical experience to sit for boards, and get her license. Then WORK in the field-- at a real job.

Those of us who are REAL licensed professionals can see right through her BS. She went to Argosy and was graduated (presumably). She is unlicensed, according to state records. That is where her professional credentials end, and it is unethical and fraudulent for her to continue to present herself as any kind of practicing professional, now or in the past. There is no public evidence that she has ever worked as a psychologist-- and in fact, would not be able to do so. (Unless hired into a government position-- occasionally some entities such as prisons, and other federally funded health care entities will hire unlicensed individuals into management positions, or such.)

I hope Maxie's House accomplishes something worthy for someone beyond Dina. But I have serious doubts. I don't think Maxie's House has much at all to so with Maxie-- it is exploitative of his name and memory, and very hypocritical, given her OWN history of domestic violence reports. And that is my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. It is highly unusual for someone to get their Bachelor's in Business Admin and be accepted into a grad school to be a PsyD. To try to get accepted into an on-site PhD Psychology program would have been virtually impossible for her. Therefore, she had the money to try to "buy" a lesser degree and go the route she did but still came up short....no license to practice!

 

[time]

Dina Shacknai is not a PhD. She did not attend a university program that confers a PhD. Her degree is a clinical doctorate, a PsyD, from Argosy University (a for-profit university), most likely the Phoenix branch.

Argosy University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can find no evidence in the public record that she corrected the deficiencies, reapplied, and received approval to sit for her licensure. There is no evidence I can find in public licensure records that she ever was licensed in AZ. No active, or inactive license is listed in either Shacknai or Romano.

http://www.psychboard.az.gov/PsySearch.asp?txtSearch=S&licenseTypeId=1

Thank you KZ - I figured she didn't go to another U to get a PhD. I guess they either led on the media or just didn't correct it. Per the license, interesting. I knew at one point she failed an exam and, maybe, she was scheduled for another, but I lost track. I wonder if all this has to do with why she isn't working at Melmed anymore.

 

[time]

And? What does that mean ? Does that mean she is not a victim in this victim friendly forum? She lost her baby in a horrid, negligent fashion. I think she deserves some sympathy and some respect.

Where is your proof this was preventable and negligent? This forum is about RZ. The problem here is that it is very believable that Max's death was the result of an unfortunate accident. It is not at all believable that a woman committed suicide while naked, possibly on her period, with hands and feet bound with intricate knots then hopped to the balcony and flung herself over.

 

[time]

I'll say t his again, because I know I read all the articles before and others probably did too. Max was 6 years old when he died. The abuse int he Shacknai household went on for at least 3 years. That domestic abuse is documented in police records as being pretty horrible and included a lot of severe emotional abuse and physical injuries on both sides including a broken finger and dog bites. I looked at all of that for a long time and could only come to the conclusion that they were both promoting the domestic violence and kept repeating it. That means Max spent at least half his life in a chaotic home with a lot of animosity being flung around. I don't see that as two parents whose main objective is to care for their child or put them first. Any child psychologist would tell you this is traumatic for a child and not a good environment.

 

[freespeech]

I'll say t his again, because I know I read all the articles before and others probably did too. Max was 6 years old when he died. The abuse int he Shacknai household went on for at least 3 years. That domestic abuse is documented in police records as being pretty horrible and included a lot of severe emotional abuse and physical injuries on both sides including a broken finger and dog bites. I looked at all of that for a long time and could only come to the conclusion that they were both promoting the domestic violence and kept repeating it. That means Max spent at least half his life in a chaotic home with a lot of animosity being flung around. I don't see that as two parents whose main objective is to care for their child or put them first. Any child psychologist would tell you this is traumatic for a child and not a good environment.

BBM


Thank you for saying the above. One of the most precious gifts two parents can give a child is to model loving and respectful relationships especially with each other. This can set the tone for a happy family.

However, when one or both parents are out of control then you know that the children in that environment will be miserable and insecure. I can see how Max could have been unhappy with the tension and periodic bursts of hatred between his parents. Couple that with the broken home, having to incorporated previous and current parental partners and half siblings and at least one parent with drug and alcohol addictions as well as both parents with probable narcissistic disorders and you have a very volatile environment devoid of any compassion for the child.

All the candy bars and parties in "all the universes" can't make up for that.

Of course Max loved his Mom the best. All children do but is it any wonder that Max would probably find relief with calmer more stable persons like Rebecca, Nina or even grandma Romano. Thanks to God children are very resilient and can survive much upheaval.

I don't see Dina's name on the new Melmed site. I'm sure all the publicity about the murder and Dina's history of domestic violence was not good for their reputation. Looks like they washed her out of the system because she was not mentioned under professional staff. If she was on a leave of absence and planned to return she would still be on the roster...no?

This whole thing is so outrageous because Rebecca has been blamed not only for her own murder but now Dina is bashing her as a home wrecker with a criminal record and also insinuating that Rebecca was at fault for Max's death.

The more Dina speaks the more negative attention she draws to herself. Jonah is the smart one. He's so silent you hardly know that he really exists. He's probably hoping that if he's as quiet as a mouse this whole thing will simply evaporate into thin air like his alleged early morning 'suicide trigger' call to Rebecca did.

 

[time]

Just to put some facts on this all - here is part of the timeline, this (and there was more) came from the HM, but it no longer exists.

July 11th – Max is transferred from Sharp Coronado emergency dept to Rady Children’s pediatric intensive care unit.

– police attempt to locate Dina Shacknai (Max’s mom) and eventually find her. Dina arrives at Rady’s Hospital at 2:00 PM.
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– Xena apparently cuts herself trying to help clean up the shattered glass from the chandelier. A police officer drivers Xena and Rebecca to a local urgent care to have 4 stitches in her leg.

– at some point in the afternoon Rebecca picks up Dina’s twin sister Nina from the airport.

– Howard Luber Jonah’s friend from PV Arizona also arrives some time on Monday.
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July 12th – Ted Greenberg, owner of Camp Diggity Dog, said Zahau called the Coronado kennel last Monday, shortly after the boy’s fall, to ask that someone pick up her 14 month-old Weimaraner, Ocean. She said her child was hospitalized after an injury.

– at 1:55 AM Jonah attempts to stay at the Ronald McDonald House but it is full. He stays at a nearby hotel instead, the Homestead Inn. July 12th – Jonah returns to the hospital at approx 5:30-6:00 AM.

– around 8:00 AM Dina leaves the hospital. She goes back home and spends about 12 hours resting.

– approx 6:00 PM Adam and Rebecca pick up Jonah and Howard from the hospital. They drop Howard off at the airport. Jonah, Rebecca and Adam then get some dinner.

– Dina returns to the hospital between 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM. ** a discrepancy in the time Dina returned to the hospital. Detectives are told by Dina 8:00 PM and Jonah tells them 6:00 PM**

- After dinner Jonah returns to the hospital at about 8:00 PM. Dina is still there.

- at approx 8:00 PM Rebecca and Adam return home to Coronado mansion.

– text message in from Nina @ 10:41 PM asking if she can drop by to talk about “what happened” to Max. Rebecca never responds.

– 11:30 PM anonymous “sources” claim to hear someone scream “help” from or near the mansion.

(I believe there is more that could be added here now with witnesses see a woman at the door, who looked like Dina?)

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July 13 – 12:30 AM Jonah claims he sent a voicemail message to Rebecca stating that Max’s condition was grave and his death was imminent.

– 12:50 AM allegedly Rebecca retrieves the voicemail message and deletes it. [there is no proof that Rebecca herself retrieved and deleted the voicemail]

– at about 1:00 AM Jonah goes to the Ronald McDonald House.

– Adam Shacknai said he awoke at approx 6:30 AM and made his way to the main house. He saw Rebecca hanging, ran to the kitchen to find a knife, pulled a table underneath her and cut her down. He claims the shirt was covering her mouth so he removed it in order to try to perform CPR as instructed to do by the 911 dispatch (told him to take the gag out of her mouth).

– 6:48 AM 911 is called. Adam stating he found Rebecca and was attempting CPR.

- at about 6:48 AM Jonah claims he received a text message from Adam advising Rebecca had hung herself.

– Coronado Police Dept are the first to respond. Unable to locate a pulse they began CPR. Coronado Fire Dept arrived at 6:54 AM Rebecca was cold to the touch and rigor mortis was present in her jaw. They pronounced Rebecca deceased. They quickly decide they do not have the resources to deal with a homicide and call in San Diego County to help. The ME is called at 8:09 AM. SDSO arrives at approx 9:20 AM.

– at about 7:00 AM Dina who was at Max’s bedside received a call from Jonah telling her Rebecca had killed herself.

– Jonah returns to the hospital at approx 7:00 AM. J

– Jonah calls Rebecca’s sister Mary, but reaches her husband Doug instead. Jonah informs him that Rebecca has killed herself. July 13th – Adam Shacknai is interviewed by Detectives Lebitski and Hillen.

– Attorney Paul Pfingst shows up at the mansion, won’t say who he’s representing, but does say it’s not Jonah.

– Later Adam is given a polygraph examination by Paul Redden. Redden says he couldn’t draw a conclusion. He recommends that Adam be given a 2nd test but was never asked by SDSO to do the follow up.

– Special Agents Resendiz and Burtis from the DOJ interview Dina. She tells the agents she left Rady Hospital on the 12th at about 8:00 AM and returned at 8:00 PM. July 13th – Jonah Shacknai is interviewed by Detectives Norton and Palmer.

– at 7:15 PM 13 hours after Rebecca’s body is discovered the ME finally arrives. They determine Rebecca’s death to be somewhere between 1:00 AM and 3:00 AM.
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July 15th – Jonah Shacknai is re-interviewed by Detective Norton. He tells them he left the hospital on the 12th at about 6:00 PM and that Dina had returned to the hospital around 6:00 PM.

July 21st – Jonah hires L.A. PR company Sitrick & Co. July 23rd

Aug 15th – LE states they power Rebecca’s cell phone on for the first time (however there are data transfers on dates prior to this date).

Aug 24th – LE requests permission, receives and executes search warrants for cell phone records for two phones owned by Jonah Shacknai. It assumed they belong to Dina and Jonah. LE receives these records the same day.

Aug 31st – LE conducts first and only interview with Rebecca’s sister, Mary.

Sept 2nd – LE conducts press conference. They declare Rebecca’s death a suicide and the case closed. Max’s death is declared an accident.

Sept 5th – Dr. Cyril Wecht, pathologist, and expert consulting with the family attorney Anne Bremner, says ‘a number of factors in the autopsy ruling do not add up’. He strongly questions the 4 subgaleal hemorrhages to the scalp, saying in his opinion they are evidence of blunt force trauma, therefore there was a struggle. He would classify the manner of death as “undetermined”.

Sept 6th – Jonah’s attorney Dan K. Webb sends a “cease and desist” letter to Anne Bremner, to stop making false public statements that ‘have the effect of severely damaging Jonah’s personal and business reputations’.

 

[TorisMom003]

Time, Great write-up and review of events. One thing though. When police/EMS showed up at the house because Adam called 911 Rebecca was found face down on the grass with her hands still bound behind her back. There is no way, IMO, that Adam performed CPR.

ETA: I should clarify. Rebecca's head was found to the side but she was on her stomach.

 

[Melanie]

Where is your proof this was preventable and negligent? This forum is about RZ. The problem here is that it is very believable that Max's death was the result of an unfortunate accident. It is not at all believable that a woman committed suicide while naked, possibly on her period, with hands and feet bound with intricate knots then hopped to the balcony and flung herself over.

IMHO, I'm more inclined to think that Maxie's death was an accident and RZ's death was some kind of revenge. I still don't think it was suicide, and am upset that LE gave up so darn quickly. No one even talks about it anymore (well not that I hear of in San Diego anyway).

Sad what IMHO money can buy.

MOO

Mel

 

[time]

Time, Great write-up and review of events. One thing though. When police/EMS showed up at the house because Adam called 911 Rebecca was found face down on the grass with her hands still bound behind her back. There is no way, IMO, that Adam performed CPR.

ETA: I should clarify. Rebecca's head was found to the side but she was on her stomach.

Good point! Thanks for the correction/addition. I'm going to bold it and if there are more, I add to what I posted.

And, would someone perform CPR on a dead person who already was cold with rigor anyway? I forget exactly what he said on the 911 call, but if the body has been dead that long, there is no reason to perform CPR. I wouldn't do it! But I wouldn't claim I had done it either especially if the position of the body made it impossible. Geesh.

 

[time]

IMHO, I'm more inclined to think that Maxie's death was an accident and RZ's death was some kind of revenge. I still don't think it was suicide, and am upset that LE gave up so darn quickly. No one even talks about it anymore (well not that I hear of in San Diego anyway).

Sad what IMHO money can buy.

MOO

Mel

Mel, I agree. I think there could be some slightly different explanation for how Max had his accident esp if no one saw it. I definitely am suspicious that Rebecca death was revenge or else due to pressure or something akin to blackmail/future ruin ... Remember, the doctor initially thought Max was suffocated (?) and I think that mixed with past hatred started the ball rolling. I believe there was even something to be filed with CPS ready to file the day Rebecca was found (or had been filed or discussed). Too bad the doc didn't realize till autopsy that he was wrong. Who knows, the outcome for Rebecca might have been different.

 

[TorisMom003]

There are issues with Dina that one does not typically find with mothers who have lost their children. Dina has made it abundantly clear that she places the blame of Max's death solely on Rebecca. Dina's whereabouts on the night of Rebecca's death are in question. Rebecca's death is still under question as to it being a homicide, although there are those that continue to claim she committed suicide. Dina has been shown to have a temper. It seems that either Dina or her twin sister were at the house the night that Rebecca died.

Hopefully the above explains why I feel that Dina is suspect. Things that Dina says and/or does is suspect to me. While she is a victim in Max's death, accidental or not, it does not absolve her from remaining questions in Rebecca's.

MOO

 

[time]

TorisMom003

I think you expressed my sentiments, but in simpler form! Thank you

 

[TorisMom003]

Another point that I forgot to mention in my above post. While Dina is a victim in Max's death, Rebecca's family are also victims. Dina seems to expect sympathy for her loss yet she continues to trash Rebecca and not give that same sympathy and respect to Rebecca's family. One must remember to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If one wants sympathy and respect due to the loss of a family member then one should extend the same courtesy to others.

MOO

 

[Leomoon80]

I cannot find Dina S. a public figure, date of birth. I have Rebecca's however.

Does anyone know what it is by any chance?

 

[K_Z]

More evidence that all of Dina's volunteer "professional" activities have a connection back to Jonah. Jonah's connections opened a lot of doors for Dina.

Raun Melmed (founder of the Melmed Center)

Raun D. Melmed, MD
Developmental Pediatrician & Clinical Director
Dr. Raun Melmed, medical director of the Melmed Center and a developmental and behavioral pediatrician, founded Developmental Pediatric Associates, now known as the Melmed Center in 1989. He is a co-founder and the medical director of the Southwest Autism Research and Resource Center.

http://www.melmedcenter.com/raun-melmed.html