Dina Shacknai Sueing County for MS Autopsy Photos

[time]

I cannot find Dina S. a public figure, date of birth. I have Rebecca's however.

Does anyone know what it is by any chance?

I can't find it either. Here is more info on the family.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/me...y-ambrose&pid=145811810&fhid=2400#fbLoggedOut

 

[freespeech]

I think Dina was more a stay at home Mom than a professional which I believe is wonderful especially when the child is preschool. It gives the Mom time to learn the child's interests and help them to engage in meaningful activities. I believe Dina did that and Max had a developed interest in soccer and was athletic.

Dina may have been working toward a profession goal to fulfill her time when Max started first grade. She seems to have an interest in working with children as well as a childlike quality of her own.

I actually feel a lot of compassion for Dina's loss of Max and also for the loss of her marriage to Jonah. From what I have read ending the marriage was not her choice. Dina's struggles to seek a career are laudable.

However, even though I have positive and compassionate thoughts and feelings toward Dina reality warrants looking at the whole picture. There was severe dysfunction going on in her home and relationships that I believe stemmed from her own attitude, reactions and actions and possibly a lack of self-control over her own behavior.

I don't know who killed Rebecca but I just don't see any convincing evidence that she committed suicide. I feel that it is unjust to walk away as if to say well even if Rebecca was murdered she must have deserved it because Max died on her watch. That still has not been proven or determined by law enforcement and I do not condone vigilantism.

Dina and Jonah garner my distrust because of their volatile, addictive and out of control life styles as well as all the lies they have both been caught telling. Neither Rebecca or Max can speak for themselves so I as one of many feel the need to question this.

Hopefully, Martin Rudoy is correct when he speculated that we should hear by September whether the Attorney General Kamala Harris will investigate. I hope she does the right thing and opens investigations into both deaths because I believe that Max also deserves justice.

 

[*Lash*]

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Just to put some facts on this all - here is part of the timeline, this (and there was more) came from the HM, but it no longer exists.

– Dina returns to the hospital between 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM. ** a discrepancy in the time Dina returned to the hospital. Detectives are told by Dina 8:00 PM and Jonah tells them 6:00 PM**

Hi Time

I am one of the original authors of THM timeline. I still have the full timeline if ever needed. Thank you for continuing to use it as a basis to establish the events and times of these two tragedies.

When creating the timeline the discrepancy in time when Dina returned to the hospital on July 12th stood out. It still does. On July 12th, how did Jonah see Dina at the hospital at 6:00pm when Dina told detectives she was home getting some sleep? Dina stated she returned to the hospital at 8:00pm. This can be found in search warrants 11-164 from information obtained by separate detectives in interviews with Dina and Jonah.

Dina and Nina were both interviewed by Special Agents from the DOJ. Special Agents perform investigations for the Attorney General's legal Divisions, assist district attorneys and local law enforcement in complex multi-jurisdictional investigations and conduct special investigations as directed by the Attorney General in response to the Governor, the Legislature or other state agencies.

Warrant 11-164 - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

 

[time]

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Hi Time

I am one of the original authors of THM timeline. I still have the full timeline if ever needed. Thank you for continuing to use it as a basis to establish the events and times of these two tragedies.

When creating the timeline the discrepancy in time when Dina returned to the hospital on July 12th stood out. It still does. On July 12th, how did Jonah see Dina at the hospital at 6:00pm when Dina told detectives she was home getting some sleep? Dina stated she returned to the hospital at 8:00pm. This can be found in search warrants 11-164 from information obtained by separate detectives in interviews with Dina and Jonah.

Dina and Nina were both interviewed by Special Agents from the DOJ. Special Agents perform investigations for the Attorney General's legal Divisions, assist district attorneys and local law enforcement in complex multi-jurisdictional investigations and conduct special investigations as directed by the Attorney General in response to the Governor, the Legislature or other state agencies.

Warrant 11-164 - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

Hi! Thank you for working on that timeline and glad to know it is still available.

The search warrant says they will be able to determine if Jonah or Dina were lying because they will know where there phones were - however, I do not remember hearing the results of that. I do remember the controversy about the 6-8 pm time period a while back - thinking there was also something more to that (or to what others were doing around that time) but I can't remember now! Arg! I don't remember them ever really pinning down where people were (via camera either?)

Excerpt from the warrant you linked:

 

[K_Z]

Maxie's untimely death unfortunately necessitated an indefinite leave of absence from Dr. Shacknai's established professional practice.

http://maxieshouse.org/about.php

BBM.

Below is an example of Dina's established professional practice. And may I note that Dina moved out of Arizona to Coronado for the summer well before Maxie's tragic accident, and that was NOT part of her "indefinite leave of absence."

Girl Talk™

An activity oriented social skills group for girls that combines art, drama, and games to help them learn to make and keep friends, communicate, problem solve, monitor moods, and improve decision making and social sportsmanship skills.

EARLY REGISTRATION discounted fee is $500.00 for 10 meetings (includes supplies and final report).

http://www.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/...-08T23:00:21&firstName=Dina&lastName=Shacknai

Kind of expensive for non-insurance covered, social activity "playgroup therapy" of 75 min each. IMO. Girl Scouts or a church youth group with a reasonably sensitive leader could accomplish the same goals for a lot less money, imo.

I agree with the poster above that Dina was essentially a stay at home mom for most of Maxie's life. That is extremely laudable- especially with all of the marital chaos that was going on, and her choice not to use a full time nanny.

I fail to understand why it is necessary for Dina to focus on the careful presentation of her "professional practice" to justify the establishment of a memorial charity. It wasn't necessary to mention her career aspirations at all, which is why it seems so self-serving for her to focus on herself, unfounded accusations about Rebecca, and her anger at Jonah, and not Maxie. Maxie is like a small side note in all of the "other" issues Dina seems to need to put forth first. Makes me think Maxie's House is just a platform for Dina's anger and vindictiveness toward Jonah and Rebecca. Especially with her history (documented) of domestic violence.

It will be interesting to see what Maxie's House actually accomplishes over the next year or so. It definitely has a shelf life-- we'll see how long that is.

 

[time]

I find it is some people's longterm MO to hype who they are. Maybe it is a substitute for doing the hard work adding in some overly inflated ego mixed with some entitlement. Also, it wouldn't surprise me to find that people who operate this way elevate themselves avoid being accountable for their own actions by degrading others and trying to place blame on them. Many of the behaviors are the very signs of an abusive and dysfunctional individual.

 

[inthedark14]

So we know for a FACT that DS has asked LE to look at the ruling of accident of MS death. It's been over two weeks and we've heard nothing. She does not believe that his death was actually an accident. Ok, that's fair and she has every right to find the truth behind what happened to her son.

Rumors are flying about what the results of this inquest will be. Will the police actually reopen the case? Will DS make public the results of her private investigation? Already people are stating things as fact, when nothing has been made public.

If in fact they reopen MS's file, then by default you would think they would have to open RZ's file as well. If it is PROVEN that RZ had something to do with MS's fatal fall, then wouldn't they have to open RZ's case to show that it was not a REVENGE murder? Also, if what those experts have come up with doesn't conclusively show that she had something to do with his fall.....well wouldn't it still have to be opened to show that it wasn't a mistaken REVENGE murder?

JMO

 

[time]

If in fact they reopen MS's file, then by default you would think they would have to open RZ's file as well. If it is PROVEN that RZ had something to do with MS's fatal fall, then wouldn't they have to open RZ's case to show that it was not a REVENGE murder? Also, if what those experts have come up with doesn't conclusively show that she had something to do with his fall.....well wouldn't it still have to be opened to show that it wasn't a mistaken REVENGE murder?

JMO

You know, I was wondering if Dina just opened the hornet's nest should they actually grant her requests! On the other hand, let's speculate that, if she was involved in RZ murder in any way, this could serve one or two purposes - getting her side of the story out now for sympathy or that she wouldn't get it out in this manner later. I think in her mind though, she's thinking more people will be convinced Rebecca committed suicide if Max's death was not an accident. Backfire! And, as you say, it would probably necessitate revisiting the ruling on RZ's death. I think it's fine she questions Max's death, but why not earlier?

Thanks for the pic of Dinah Foundation logo ... I don't know, but that gave me a creepy feeling given the tubes of paint found with Rebecca, and in RED

 

[*Lash*]

Hi! Thank you for working on that timeline and glad to know it is still available.

The search warrant says they will be able to determine if Jonah or Dina were lying because they will know where there phones were - however, I do not remember hearing the results of that. I do remember the controversy about the 6-8 pm time period a while back - thinking there was also something more to that (or to what others were doing around that time) but I can't remember now! Arg! I don't remember them ever really pinning down where people were (via camera either?)

Excerpt from the warrant you linked:

The results of Jonah's and Dina's whereabouts were released by Sheriff Gore during a press conference on November 16, 2011 that was given after the Dr. Phil Show. Sheriff Gore states they have Jonah on surveillance. Then later Gore tells us that Dina was not on seen on surveillance. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, her phone was in the vicinity of the hospital. I leave my cell phone at home all the time. It doesn't have to go everywhere I go. In my opinion a location of a phone does not equate to the location of its owner.

A reporter asked if Dina was seen on surveillance tape the night of the murder. The reporter actually says murder. Here is a transcript from the presser.

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8: Was she on surveillance tape the night of the murder – er, the night of the death, of Rebecca’s death?

GORE: [Exhales deeply – pushes back from table, sound of two thumps on table, addresses someone in the back of the room] Um -*‐-*‐ I will put... Who do we have back there? Um, Dave, I don't believe we have her -*‐-*‐ did you hear the question?

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8: I understand Jonah may have been on surveillance tape but not Dina. Is that right?

GORE: Let’s get an exact answer for you. Right. Yeah... yeah.

REPORTER: Sheriff, I’m going to move to some statements made by Cyril Wecht for a second, Dr. Cyril Wech

Later...

GORE: Anything else from another channel [Gore laughter]?

REPORTER: There was something that somebody was going to check on that we asked about earlier. I don’t know if it came in... you are going to check on that.

GORE: Oh.. [Woman from back of room delivers document to Gore. WOMAN: Incoming... Airmail]

GORE: I forgot what the question was.

REPORTER: Dina on surveillance tape.

GORE: [Peruses document for 20 seconds] We don’t have her on surveillance tape. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, which put her in the vicinity of Rady's Children's Hospital.

http://www.10news.com/news/29790096/detail.html

 

[inthedark14]

@time

It's not a logo...it was the "placeholder" (I think that's what it's called) on the webpage the day before it went live. I took a screenshot on Sunday, July 15th when I first went to the Maxie's House website. The site wasn't live yet. That is what was there...it kind of gave me the ickies too.

 

[time]

Lash ... thank you.


"Then later Gore tells us that Dina was not on seen on surveillance. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, her phone was in the vicinity of the hospital. I leave my cell phone at home all the time. It doesn't have to go everywhere I go. In my opinion a location of a phone does not equate to the location of its owner. "

No, location of a cell phone does not equal location of it's owner. Geesh, he seemed evasive because how could he not automatically know a key piece of information. If they verified the location of her cell phone, who did she call and when - or do some cell phone constantly ping when not being used?

Was there ever any more explanation for her not being seen on surveillance, coming and going?

Also, did they figure out the location of Nina's cell phone when she called Rebecca? IIRC, she left a message and that was verified and it was her voice?

 

[time]

A couple more things...

I never understood why Jonah was at the hospital so late the night given they seemed to be trading shifts and he must have been exhausted.

And, there was never an explanation for why he would be calling so late to give bad news - as if they were just told. How did this come about. Jonah could have driven home to talk with Rebecca if he had something so serious to talk about. Of course, his first wife said he didn't seem to have many emotions, or something like that.

We know, that message was never heard or confirmed. But did they say that message was actually sent at the same time they could pinpoint his phone at the hospital? How do we know he even had his own phone at that point.

 

[freespeech]

You know, I was wondering if Dina just opened the hornet's nest should they actually grant her requests! On the other hand, let's speculate that, if she was involved in RZ murder in any way, this could serve one or two purposes - getting her side of the story out now for sympathy or that she wouldn't get it out in this manner later. I think in her mind though, she's thinking more people will be convinced Rebecca committed suicide if Max's death was not an accident. Backfire! And, as you say, it would probably necessitate revisiting the ruling on RZ's death. I think it's fine she questions Max's death, but why not earlier?

Thanks for the pic of Dinah Foundation logo ... I don't know, but that gave me a creepy feeling given the tubes of paint found with Rebecca, and in RED

Thanks for your comments. Btw, I feel the same way. Yes the logo is very creepy. Either the designer of it is totally out of touch with reality or someone is rubbing something in everyone's faces.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

:fence:

Thanks for your comments. Btw, I feel the same way. Yes the logo is very creepy. Either the designer of it is totally out of touch with reality or someone is rubbing something in everyone's faces.

Add to that the artwork on the wall during the press conference....in the house... I commented on this before I learned Max's house is actually DS's home.. well the artwork is of a naked dark skinned woman. And the death room in the mansion of the old realtor photos... had artwork of a naked woman. It could have still been there... there were items taken out of the room by the police that did not seem to make it on the evidence list..

"Time will tell your secrets."

 

[freespeech]

:fence:

Add to that the artwork on the wall during the press conference....in the house... I commented on this before I learned Max's house is actually DS's home.. well the artwork is of a naked dark skinned woman. And the death room in the mansion of the old realtor photos... had artwork of a naked woman. It could have still been there... there were items taken out of the room by the police that did not seem to make it on the evidence list..

"Time will tell your secrets."

BBM

I thought that Maxie's House was Dina's home too but the address at the website is shown as 90 E. Via de Ventura F-110 #216 Scottsdale, AZ 85258.

Is it possible that Dina only held the press conference at her private residence? That would explain the unusual art work.

Also as was mentioned there was a feature in place to give donations. However, the non for profit goal is 'education' but there is nothing shown under stories and resources. So what would one be donating to if there is no dissemination of information to needy parents? Is Dina looking for start-up money?

 

[freespeech]

Statements taken from Maxie's House website are bolded:

Every donation generates discussion and impacts children's lives of blended families.
What does this mean? There are no resources, stories and no discussion board.

Thank you for investing in a child’s safety and well-being!
How is giving money to a website with no educational information or resources investing in a child's safety and well being?

 

[time]

Statements taken from Maxie's House website are bolded:

Every donation generates discussion and impacts children's lives of blended families.
What does this mean? There are no resources, stories and no discussion board.

Thank you for investing in a child’s safety and well-being!
How is giving money to a website with no educational information or resources investing in a child's safety and well being?

They have already pre-spent a ton of those donations for PR. I imagine a PR firm was hired by the looks of the coverage she got. And, there is a FB page.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...pw.r_qf.&fp=6d7d95267627f3a9&biw=1460&bih=856

 

[K_Z]

There has been so much discussion in this thread about Dina's new nonprofit, that we have gone off course on the original topic of the thread, which was Dina suing the county for autopsy pictures.

I think I'm going to start a new thread dedicated to the nonprofit discussion, and related matters. Perhaps a moderator will move the appropriate posts to the new thread, but if not, we can continue there.

 

[*Lash*]

Was there ever any more explanation for her not being seen on surveillance, coming and going?

Also, did they figure out the location of Nina's cell phone when she called Rebecca? IIRC, she left a message and that was verified and it was her voice?

There was never any further explanation of Dina not being seen on surveillance.

Nina did not call Rebecca. She sent Rebecca a text message at 9:41m on July 12th. Rebecca's phone records show 10:41pm and Nina's show 9:41pm. Interesting tidbit. This may be an innocent conflict in home cell phone time zones. Nina said she waited for an answer from Rebecca until 9:55pm. When she did not get a response, Nina walked to the mansion. She rang the door bell and did her walk around the house. Nina states the only light that was on was "that second bedroom the sitting room". That's what she calls it.

Source - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

 

[time]

There was never any further explanation of Dina not being seen on surveillance.

Nina did not call Rebecca. She sent Rebecca a text message at 9:41m on July 12th. Rebecca's phone records show 10:41pm and Nina's show 9:41pm. Interesting tidbit. This may be an innocent conflict in home cell phone time zones. Nina said she waited for an answer from Rebecca until 9:55pm. When she did not get a response, Nina walked to the mansion. She rang the door bell and did her walk around the house. Nina states the only light that was on was "that second bedroom the sitting room". That's what she calls it.

Source - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

I do not see how this hour disparity timeframe in when that call was made could go unexamined. It's not rocket science. If Rebecca's phone was somehow off an hour then how to explain not just the time on the calls to and from her sister, but also the supposed time of the message left from Jonah - which was actually used in the whole suicide scenario. Let alone, of course, that they couldn't bother to check on such a crucial piece of evidence until it was too late they said to retrieve it.