Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[CuriousGeorgia]

Respectfully, we don't know why Rebecca died that night. I think it's unfair to claim that she killed herself to avoid speaking to a detective.

As the case stands now, Rebecca Zahau's death was officially ruled a suicide after a seven week investigation. It is my opinion that she did not want to speak to the detective that called her twice and that she also knew that Child Protective Services had been called.

From accounts of Rebecca that Monday and Tuesday by her sister Mary, she was not extremely upset about Max's accident. I can't imagine any woman not being upset about that happening while you were watching him. His injuries are horrendous. How could she NOT be extremely upset? I just don't get that.

I think Rebecca knew that on Wednesday the truth would start coming out and she could no longer explain what happened and that's why she did what she did early that Wednesday morning.

I think Dina's investigation is going to show that there was much more to Max's accident than she claimed. Whether it is intentional or not, I believe that RZ somehow hurt Max, and that XZ knows more than anyone what happened.

All my opinion only. :twocents:

 

[gypsychild]

"A few rescue breaths" was reported to the first responder by RZ but it isn't CPR. All Officer Erhard said he observed her doing was calling Max's name and yelling. Compression of the chest is required to circulate the blood.

JMO

The call was made at 10:10 and the officer arrived at 10:12. That's 2 minutes. We don't know if she was trying for 2 minutes as the 911 tape has not been released. At 10:12 when the officer arrived, did he do CPR on MS?

 

[MyBelle]

The call was made at 10:10 and the officer arrived at 10:12. That's 2 minutes. We don't know if she was trying for 2 minutes as the 911 tape has not been released. At 10:12 when the officer arrived, did he do CPR on MS?

We don't know that RZ tried at all. She told the officer the child said "Ocean" and I believe that is impossible.

The AR didn't mention what the Officer did after he called paramedics.

JMO

 

[i.b.nora]

The call was made at 10:10 and the officer arrived at 10:12. That's 2 minutes. We don't know if she was trying for 2 minutes as the 911 tape has not been released. At 10:12 when the officer arrived, did he do CPR on MS?

My question exactly!

 

[time]

As the case stands now, Rebecca Zahau's death was officially ruled a suicide after a seven week investigation. It is my opinion that she did not want to speak to the detective that called her twice and that she also knew that Child Protective Services had been called. <snip>
All my opinion only. :twocents:

So, I guess we can conclude that Dina and Nina also knew that CPS had already been called then?

And, is it your opinion that Rebecca knew Max was not coming out of this?

 

[coopzoo]

As the case stands now, Rebecca Zahau's death was officially ruled a suicide after a seven week investigation. It is my opinion that she did not want to speak to the detective that called her twice and that she also knew that Child Protective Services had been called.

From accounts of Rebecca that Monday and Tuesday by her sister Mary, she was not extremely upset about Max's accident. I can't imagine any woman not being upset about that happening while you were watching him. His injuries are horrendous. How could she NOT be extremely upset? I just don't get that.

I think Rebecca knew that on Wednesday the truth would start coming out and she could no longer explain what happened and that's why she did what she did early that Wednesday morning.

I think Dina's investigation is going to show that there was much more to Max's accident than she claimed. Whether it is intentional or not, I believe that RZ somehow hurt Max, and that XZ knows more than anyone what happened.

All my opinion only. :twocents:

As the case stands now, Maxie's death is officially listed as an accident. I personally have a hard time believing either tragedy happened the way the original investigators claim. I would love to see Maxie's case be reopened, but I feel the same consideration should be given to Rebecca's as well.

 

[gypsychild]

We don't know that RZ tried at all. She told the officer the child said "Ocean" and I believe that is impossible.

The AR didn't mention what the Officer did after he called paramedics.

JMO

We don't know that she didn't try either.
"he saw Rebecca kneeled beside Max. She was crying and yelling the child’s name. Max was ashen, unresponsive and did not appear to be breathing."

The officer did not state what she was doing with her hands. Where were they? In her hair, on MS's face, in prayer position under her chin?
If an officer walked in (I am assuming XZ was watching the door and let him in?) perhaps said "police are here?" - RZ at that point may have expected the officer to take over?

 

[MyBelle]

As the case stands now, Maxie's death is officially listed as an accident. I personally have a hard time believing either tragedy happened the way the original investigators claim. I would love to see Maxie's case be reopened, but I feel the same consideration should be given to Rebecca's as well.

I don't believe Max's death was ever investigated as a homicide but he is the focus of his mother's request to LE.

Rebecca's was investigated as a homicide, eventually ruled a suicide and LE have said they would re-open it if there was new information received. Evidently, there has been no new information received on Rebecca's case but it is being discussed on another thread.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

We don't know that she didn't try either.
"he saw Rebecca kneeled beside Max. She was crying and yelling the child&#8217;s name. Max was ashen, unresponsive and did not appear to be breathing."

The officer did not state what she was doing with her hands. Where were they? In her hair, on MS's face, in prayer position under her chin?
If an officer walked in (I am assuming XZ was watching the door and let him in?) perhaps said "police are here?" - RZ at that point may have expected the officer to take over?

We do not know what the officer's full report states because the ME didn't include the full report. If he didn't view things such as what her hands were doing as relevant, then I don't either.

What I do know now is that experts have concluded Max's death investigation should be reopened.

JMO

 

[Salem]

If posters are going to keep accusing GS and ES of being there when the accident occurred, even though Martin Rudoy said they were not, perhaps a Moderator needs to weigh it?

IMO, Martin Rudoy is on the Zahaus side and has no reason to state that ONLY Rebecca, Max, and XZ were there.

I don't know what more proof you want that the Shacknai children were not there than Martin Rudoy's word. Unless you have PROOF and a LINK showing Rudoy to be incorrect, I think that should settle it.

Moderator please?

Comments from MSM may be discussed. Minor children's names may NOT be posted. The minors may NOT be accused nor should it be implied that they were involved in ANY way. That goes for ALL minor children. The only child that may be named is Max.

Violations of this rule will result in TOs. CuriousGeorgia is right - if you do not have a link, don't even go there.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[coopzoo]

I don't believe Max's death was ever investigated as a homicide but he is the focus of his mother's request to LE.

Rebecca's was investigated as a homicide, eventually ruled a suicide and LE have said they would re-open it if there was new information received. Evidently, there has been no new information received on Rebecca's case but it is being discussed on another thread.

JMO

I believe...and I could be wrong...that both were 'death investigations.' I don't recall Rebecca's being investigated as a homicide. Also, let's not forget that CPS was called while Maxie was in the hospital, so I would say they were suspicious of the circumstances of his death and did not immediately classify it an accident.

Thanks for the info on the other thread. I'm already following that one as well. eace:

 

[Salem]

"A few rescue breaths" was reported to the first responder by RZ but it isn't CPR. All Officer Erhard said he observed her doing was calling Max's name and yelling. Compression of the chest (heart) is required to circulate the blood.

JMO

Okay Guys - this conversation ends now. MSM has reported that RZ did do CPR. Others think the autopsy report said she didn't.

From this point further, everyone will agree to disagree and the conversation is over. It comes up every couple of pages and disrupts the flow of the discussion. Enough is enough.

She did or she didn't - either way, the conversation is over now.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[dienermom]

Deleted.

 

[Salem]

As the case stands now, Rebecca Zahau's death was officially ruled a suicide after a seven week investigation. It is my opinion that she did not want to speak to the detective that called her twice and that she also knew that Child Protective Services had been called.

From accounts of Rebecca that Monday and Tuesday by her sister Mary, she was not extremely upset about Max's accident. I can't imagine any woman not being upset about that happening while you were watching him. His injuries are horrendous. How could she NOT be extremely upset? I just don't get that.

I think Rebecca knew that on Wednesday the truth would start coming out and she could no longer explain what happened and that's why she did what she did early that Wednesday morning.

I think Dina's investigation is going to show that there was much more to Max's accident than she claimed. Whether it is intentional or not, I believe that RZ somehow hurt Max, and that XZ knows more than anyone what happened.

All my opinion only. :twocents:

You need links for the statements attributed to Mary, please or the post will be removed.

Salem

 

[Salem]

And just to further enforce the "no discussion" of the CRP convo - here is a post from JBean, originally written Sept. 24, 2011 asking everyone to move on. She did it much more eloquently than I did, above.

Well I guess we have a lively debate going on in here LOL.

Regarding the CPR given by Rebecca.
The autopsy is quite specific that it is reported that she gave him rescue breaths and started CPR.
We are going with that as the facts at hand unless it is refuted by:
1. an eye witness
2. a written statement by Rebecca herself stating something to the contrary
3. Medical proof that she didn't.

Until that time there is no reason to continue going around about it. So, please move on from that topic. You don't have to believe it, but anyone that does not believe it has nothing to hang their hat on in terms of proving otherwise so the debate is futile. It is not reasonable to use it as any part of an argument because logic will be faulty.

Please turn down the volume in here and continue debating issues that are actually debatable.
A word to the wise:

If you are tired of going around and around in circles, then stop going around and around.


Thanks.

ETA: Just to clarify-We don't know if RN actually did or didn't give CPR and rescue breaths because there were no eye witnesses only her own account.
But until there is proof by way of a statement from her,an eyewitness that saw all her behavior from beginning until police arrived,or medical proof that there was no CPR or rescue breaths administered prior to LE arrival, then the argument has nowhere to go because we cannot counter her statements. So, we have to go with the facts from the autopsy because they are the only facts we have. fact is she reported that she did this and so there is nothing to support an argument.
hth

Salem

 

[Betty P]

We do not know what the officer's full report states because the ME didn't include the full report. If he didn't view things such as what her hands were doing as relevant, then I don't either.

What I do know now is that experts have concluded Max's death investigation should be reopened.

JMO

Please keep in mind that experts have also concluded that Rebecca's death investigation should be reopened as well.

The best solution overall is for the CA Atty General's office to conduct an independent investigation of both deaths.

 

[delaney]

According to the " Boy, Interupted" interview with DS, Rebecca was not allowed to go to the airport with Max.

"According to Dina, Rebecca was not allowed to cross state lines alone with Max or take him to an airport."

If this is true RS could have been really pissed that she needed to
stay home that morning and not go with the others to the airport. The
wording of the article does not state clearly, whether she could be at an airport with JS and Max or not at all.

If RS did something to Max when he returned form the airport then
Dina might feel some guilt that she laid down all those rules. Moo

www.phoenixmag.com

 

[Betty P]

According to the " Boy, Interupted" interview with DS, Rebecca was not allowed to go to the airport with Max.

"According to Dina, Rebecca was not allowed to cross state lines alone with Max or take him to an airport."

If this is true RS could have been really pissed that she needed to
stay home that morning and not go with the others to the airport. The
wording of the article does not state clearly, whether she could be at an airport with JS and Max or not at all.

If RS did something to Max when he returned form the airport then
Dina might feel some guilt that she laid down all those rules. Moo

www.phoenixmag.com

Why would Rebecca want to go to the airport? She had just finished hosting JS's daughters for two weeks and her own sister had just arrived in town for a visit. At that point she was probably focused on cleaning up after JS's daughters visit and planning activities for her sister's visit.

Making trips to the airport was a fairly common occurrence for her, given they frequently had out of town visitors while staying at Coronado. Sorry, but being angry at not riding along in a crowded car for yet another trip to the airport doesn't seem likely.

 

[jjenny]

Why would Rebecca want to go to the airport? She had just finished hosting JS's daughters for two weeks and her own sister had just arrived in town for a visit. At that point she was probably focused on cleaning up after JS's daughters visit and planning activities for her sister's visit.

Making trips to the airport was a fairly common occurrence for her, given they frequently had out of town visitors while staying at Coronado. Sorry, but being angry at not riding along in a crowded car for yet another trip to the airport doesn't seem likely.

Also, I am pretty sure the rule included Rebecca taking Max to the airport by herself. Because it really doesn't make any sense if Jonah was present.

 

[MyBelle]

I believe...and I could be wrong...that both were 'death investigations.' I don't recall Rebecca's being investigated as a homicide. Also, let's not forget that CPS was called while Maxie was in the hospital, so I would say they were suspicious of the circumstances of his death and did not immediately classify it an accident.

Thanks for the info on the other thread. I'm already following that one as well. eace:

iirc, the investigation into Max's injuries was handled by CPS while he was still alive and was closed upon his death. Child abuse can happen to children who don't die as a result. I don't believe homicide investigators were ever called in to investigate and that is why DS has asked to reopen his case.

JMO