Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[jjenny]

The center of gravity would still be the same in comparison to the railing and his height. That is why you see such effort made by the atheletes to get over the hurdles.

And if he was running and stumbled then his body would be even lower than if he was standing upright.

And if he was riding the scooter the scooter would crash against the railing stopping it and not land on the floor beside him, imo.

The railing dips. Police drawing depicts him going from the top of the stairs over the low area of the railing. How exactly is that impossible?

 

[freespeech]

Why now? It takes a whole year for DS and team to go to the SDLE? Why now? If this were my son and I believed it was murder I would be all over it IMMEDIATELY...

This smacks of law suit preparation to sue JS. This is about money. DS can't get it any other way now. This is about proving JS negligent because he allowed RZ to care for MS while alone. It hinges on a week rusty piece of bewildering information..... DS forbid RZ to care for MS when other family members were around? Really?

MS's death.... there are any number of ways he could have gone off that balcony..... accidental fall is THE most likely scenario...MS's injuries match up well with the fall the exact trajectory is a false lead.... in this circumstance.... there were many people in and around that home that day.... to pin point RZ....with NO forensic evidence she was involved in MS's fall..outrageous grasping at straws for cash.. and exactly where were his siblings and father... they better know that for sure..... bring on the experts data let's study it..... I suspect it will crumble...

However, we have studied in depth the RZ tragedy..and those hard facts stand up to murder.

RZ's death.... many many facts point to murder.... forensic evidence...revenge murder...women do not suddenly bash themselves on the head, ties themselves up in elaborate knots, choke themselves with their t-shirts, while naked in the dark... and mysteriously leave NO marks on a balcony railing when they drag their tied up torso over the railing... and NEVER EVER have had a bout of depression or a history of mental health issues...

Max's death was the motive for RZ's death.. and DS is still a suspect and her belief
RZ murdered her son incriminates her even further.

SDLE and the CA State need to get down to the bottom of these deaths ASAP.

BBM

Yes, I sincerely pray this happens ASAP!

 

[jjenny]

It's a valid point. While the public has not been given any evidence that RZ or any one else was violent toward Max, the ICU doctor caring for the child did call CPS. There must be a sound medical indication for his suspicions.

JMO

We already discussed this for a while some time back. I don't see anything to indicate this child was actually diagnosed with spinal cord damage while still alive. If one didn't know about the spinal cord damage, his cardiac arrest didn't make sense.

 

[MyBelle]

I believe maybe l.b. nora brought this up a few pages back. An WS insider said long ago that Dina thought Max died from being purposefully suffocated and/or strangled. Now how does that sync with Dina now claiming she did not know Max's condition was any more serious than he might have to have some therapy until Thurs or Friday after he died. I do not think she was just in denial either because supposedly the call to Rebecca from Jonah shortly after midnight on Tuesday was to tell her how serious Max's condition was. Dina was also gone from the hospital for 12 hours on Tuesday, I believe. Would you leave your son's bedside that long if you thought he would wake up at any minute or really didn't know how serious his condition was? Just exactly who and when did the Dr. tell that he thought Max had been suffocated?

Dina needs to be forthcoming with answers to these questions and any other information about all of this needs to be made public.

Dina doesn't owe the public any explanation at all. She's a victim. I don't believe that on Tuesday anyone--including his doctors-- knew for certain that Max was brain dead but I do believe police reports reflect his doctor did call CPS prior to Max's removal from life support.

JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The railing dips. Police drawing depicts him going from the top of the stairs over the low area of the railing. How exactly is that impossible?

That drawing never made any sense to me.

And that is why an expert in biomechanics is needed.

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

The railing dips. Police drawing depicts him going from the top of the stairs over the low area of the railing. How exactly is that impossible?

The police drawing is a theory, not scientific fact.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

The railing dips. Police drawing depicts him going from the top of the stairs over the low area of the railing. How exactly is that impossible?

I think the impossibility part comes with the force it took for him to land on the chandelier and pull it from the ceiling. If he simply fell over the balcony, that would not have happened. He had to be going very fast and very high to bring down the chandelier, imo.

 

[jjenny]

Dina doesn't owe the public any explanation at all. She's a victim. I don't believe that on Tuesday anyone--including his doctors-- knew for certain that Max was brain dead but I do believe police reports reflect his doctor did call CPS prior to Max's removal from life support.

JMO

Weren't we told that Rebecca killed herself because she got a call saying Max's condition worsened? So if that's what drove this woman to suicide, isn't it fair to conclude the family was told Max isn't going to make it before Rebecca's "suicide?"

 

[freespeech]

The railing dips. Police drawing depicts him going from the top of the stairs over the low area of the railing. How exactly is that impossible?

To me it appeared that the railing dipped below his center of gravity. Max could have fairly easily fallen over the lower dip in the banister. The center of gravity argument can't be applied to that portion of the railing because then his center of gravity would be higher than the top of the railing. If he went flying over from tripping off the skateboard or over the dog then he could have cleared the top of the lower portion of railing.

 

[jjenny]

I think the impossibility part comes with the force it took for him to lnd on the chandelier and pull it from the ceiling. If he simply fell over the balcony, that would not have happened. He had to be going very fast and very high to bring down the chandelier, imo.

How well was that chandelier attached? How can anyone conclude it would be impossible without having that information?

 

[katydid23]

Weren't we told that Rebecca killed herself because she got a call saying Max's condition worsened? So if that's what drove this woman to suicide, isn't it fair to conclude the family was told Max isn't going to make it before Rebecca's "suicide?"

We are not sure what the caller said. I had always thought it was more likely that JS expressed some anger towards her, perhaps blamed her, and broke up with her on that call. That would have been a possible trigger for the writing on the door, imo.

 

[jjenny]

We are not sure what the caller said. I had always thought it was more likely that JS expressed some anger towards her, perhaps blamed her, and broke up with her on that call. That would have been a possible trigger for the writing on the door, imo.

While we might not be sure, police said that she was told Max's condition worsened. One imagines police interviewed the caller to figure out what exactly was said. So I can only assume the caller would have told police that the caller knew Max's condition worsened. That was before the suicide.

 

[MyBelle]

Weren't we told that Rebecca killed herself because she got a call saying Max's condition worsened? So if that's what drove this woman to suicide, isn't it fair to conclude the family was told Max isn't going to make it before Rebecca's "suicide?"

I believe we were told that Rebecca's death came after she received a call telling her Max's condition worsened.

It would be impossible for the family to know beforehand exactly when Max's condition would worsen.

The only person who knows for certain why Rebecca killed herself is Rebecca.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

How well was that chandelier attached? How can anyone conclude it would be impossible without having that information?

There are very strict standards and regulations concerning the way a chandelier needs to be secured on the ceiling. Especially in an Earthquake zone. A 65 lb boy should not be able to bring it down.

 

[katydid23]

While we might not be sure, police said that she was told Max's condition worsened. One imagines police interviewed the caller to figure out what exactly was said. So I can only assume the caller would have told police that the caller knew Max's condition worsened. That was before the suicide.

But saying his condition 'worsened' is not the same thing as saying he wasn't going to make it.

 

[jjenny]

To me it appeared that the railing dipped below his center of gravity. Max could have fairly easily fallen over the lower dip in the banister. The center of gravity argument can't be applied to that portion of the railing because then his center of gravity would be higher than the top of the railing. If he went flying over from tripping off the skateboard or over the dog then he could have cleared the top of the lower portion of railing.

From the photo of the stairwell, it appears to dip quite substantially at the lowest level. It's not a flat railing and has a curve to it where it comes from the corner. I don't see that taken into account in the synopsis of this report.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I saw that there was discussion earlier on how long it would have taken Rebecca to tie herself up before she jumped off the balcony. SD Channel 8 did a reenactment and took the girl less than 30 minutes on her first try.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15928565/news-8-reenacts-the-coronado-mansion-mystery

 

[jjenny]

But saying his condition 'worsened' is not the same thing as saying he wasn't going to make it.

Was supposedly enough for Rebecca to kill herself in despair. If Max was still expected to make it why did Rebecca kill herself after that phone call?

 

[MyBelle]

But saying his condition 'worsened' is not the same thing as saying he wasn't going to make it.

Good point. I believe his condition worsened because of the onset of another medical problem such as pneumonia prior to the final testing that determined he was brain dead and had no hope for recovery.

 

[jjenny]

I saw that there was discussion earlier on how long it would have taken Rebecca to tie herself up before she jumped off the balcony. SD Channel 8 did a reenactment and took the girl less than 30 minutes on her first try.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15928565/news-8-reenacts-the-coronado-mansion-mystery

Well, don't forget she was given a detailed plan of what to do.