Dina Shacknai wants Max's death reopened; gives ICU pic to media

[freespeech]

BBM

Yeah, I bet Dina and that detective that Rebecca wouldn't call back, wish that too.

I really hope that you mean that because Rebecca was a wonderful woman who really should be alive today. This ugly world can use more of the type of spiritual beauty that she apparently possessed.

I'm done for now. Good night all.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I really hope that you mean that because Rebecca was a wonderful woman who really should be alive today. This ugly world can use more of the type of spiritual beauty that she apparently possessed.

I'm done for now. Good night all.

Sorry, I guess I haven't seen the links touting her "spiritual beauty". Can you provide?


I too, think she should have admitted whatever it was she did to Max to the detective, and paid the consequeces instead of killing herself.

Sleep well.

 

[freespeech]

Sorry, I guess I haven't seen the links touting her "spiritual beauty". Can you provide?


I too, think she should have admitted whatever it was she did to Max to the detective, and paid the consequeces instead of killing herself.

Sleep well.

The links are in all the positive things that people who knew her said. I can tell that she was beautiful on the inside by how she was loved. Not even murder can rob her of that. Rebecca didn't murder anyone and she didn't kill herself.

Was she a sinner? Oh yes, as we all are. God is so mighty and so full of love that He can forgive all our sins even the one who murdered her.

She knew this because she was a Christian. I suspect Max was too. So the words 'she saved him?' could have been written by a woman enraged with Rebecca for saving both of the men in her life...Max to Christ and Jonah from trouble over the accident.

Can he/you save her? Showed the murderer's malicious intent to ragefully kill her.

God can forgive even the most violent murderer. The Truth will set you free.

Good night dear. You sleep well also.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Why now? It takes a whole year for DS and team to go to the SDLE? Why now? If this were my son and I believed it was murder I would be all over it IMMEDIATELY...

This smacks of law suit preparation to sue JS. This is about money. DS can't get it any other way now. This is about proving JS negligent because he allowed RZ to care for MS while alone. It hinges on a week rusty piece of bewildering information..... DS forbid RZ to care for MS when other family members were around? Really?

MS's death.... there are any number of ways he could have gone off that balcony..... accidental fall is THE most likely scenario...MS's injuries match up well with the fall the exact trajectory is a false lead.... in this circumstance.... there were many people in and around that home that day.... to pin point RZ....with NO forensic evidence she was involved in MS's fall..outrageous grasping at straws for cash.. and exactly where were his siblings and father... they better know that for sure..... bring on the experts data let's study it..... I suspect it will crumble...

However, we have studied in depth the RZ tragedy..and those hard facts stand up to murder.

RZ's death.... many many facts point to murder.... forensic evidence...revenge murder...women do not suddenly bash themselves on the head, ties themselves up in elaborate knots, choke themselves with their t-shirts, while naked in the dark... and mysteriously leave NO marks on a balcony railing when they drag their tied up torso over the railing... and NEVER EVER have had a bout of depression or a history of mental health issues...

Max's death was the motive for RZ's death.. and DS is still a suspect and her belief
RZ murdered her son incriminates her even further.

SDLE and the CA State need to get down to the bottom of these deaths ASAP.

Excellent post.

Even though there are parts I am not 100% on board with yet, as I am on the fence about a thing or two, I appreciate your thoughtful wording and lack of snark.

Thanks button wasn't enough.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Well, assuming this request was made, it sure doesn't look like Jonah was following it.
Frankly, explanation Dina gave during the press conference didn't make much sense. She had issues with Rebecca's background, so why would it be o'key for Rebecca to be alone with Max, but not if members of her family were also present?[/QUOTE]

Maybe she had found reason the believe there was a family dynamic which involved friction or dysfunction when it concerned RZ's NEW family. Maybe some of her relatives were not thrilled with her upcoming marriage and NEW family. Why else would DS ask for something like this?

Control. "Because I said so". IMO.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

So what? Trained professionals are not trained to do absolutely nothing. Ethics are involved. RZ was a trained medical professional who had a duty to render aid and admitted she was present at the time of MS' injury. It is also a fact that trained paramedics did restore a heartbeat and the child lived several more days. It is an insult to him that you toss out useless statistics that suggest that CPR would have been a waste of time so why bother.

JMO

I don't believe that is what I stated or implied at all. I was responding to your false claim regarding the effectiveness of CPR. Your post is below. I believe you missed the point of my post entirely. Facts from studies are not useless. I was responding to your generalization about the effectiveness of CPR based on your one experience.

Your original post is below.


Originally Posted by MyBelle
I disagree with your opinion. CPR is very effective and is better than nothing at all, which was what RZ was observed doing by the first responder. CPR, properly performed, is a replacement for a non-beating heart. CPR keeps the oxygenated blood circulating between heart, lung and brain. My own father was kept alive for more than 15-minutes by nurses doing CPR until his heart started beating again after being shocked repeatedly. He didn't suffer brain damage and lived another 17 years.

RZ, by doing nothing at all, did hasten the child's brain death.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Are you serious here? ''...trained paramedics did restore a heartbeat..." using drugs and AED.

Did Rebecca have drugs and an AED?

The paramedics did not restart his heart until after 30 minutes of using drugs and electrical shock.

What are you saying? Rebecca should have started his heart in two minutes of CPR.

It's unbelievable that you persist with that. Why are you so desperate to believe that Rebecca did something wrong? Why do you need to blame her? What do you know about what really happen to her?

The topic of this thread is about the mother's request for her son's death investigation to be reopened because she and her experts believe the child was a victim of child abuse. My opinion in support of her seems to upset you so feel free to scroll past it rather than constantly attack me with your misinformation.

The facts of the case are not going to change just because you don't agree with me or the mother or her highly educated experts. It is a fact that properly administered CPR does restore circulation of blood which is necessary to prevent brain death. It is a measure that any medical professional has a duty to perform until paramedics arrive.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I don't believe that is what I stated or implied at all. I was responding to your false claim regarding the effectiveness of CPR. Your post is below. I believe you missed the point of my post entirely. Facts from studies are not useless. I was responding to your generalization about the effectiveness of CPR based on your one experience.

Your original post is below.


Originally Posted by MyBelle
I disagree with your opinion. CPR is very effective and is better than nothing at all, which was what RZ was observed doing by the first responder. CPR, properly performed, is a replacement for a non-beating heart. CPR keeps the oxygenated blood circulating between heart, lung and brain. My own father was kept alive for more than 15-minutes by nurses doing CPR until his heart started beating again after being shocked repeatedly. He didn't suffer brain damage and lived another 17 years.

RZ, by doing nothing at all, did hasten the child's brain death.

JMO

I've not offered any false claim. It is my opinion that CPR is better than doing nothing it all. I think most mature adults agree with me and I really have no interest in debating it.

 

[*Lash*]

Did LE recover the chandelier and check it for human tissue/blood/DNA?

If so, was that tissue/blood/DNA found on the upper portion of the chandelier, as though MS fell on top of it, or on the lower portion, as though the chandelier fell on top of MS? TIA

The chandelier was collected by detective Adkins. It was found in the trash area. The warrant was executed 4 days after Maxie's accident.

Warrant 41290 http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_41290.pdf

 

[jjenny]

If chandelier fell on top of him I imagine he would have numerous cuts.
I think after he grabbed it and pulled it from the ceiling while falling, he landed in a different place from the chandelier. And it doesn't sound like they tested anything for DNA in Max's case.

 

[dovebar]

You are correct. And if I'm not mistaken - there were even pictures of Dina with bruises or scratches that she claimed were done by Mr. S. or something to that effect. It's been awhile since I've followed this case, but there were accusations that they were physical and also that Mr. S. would not call the dog off of Ms. S when the dog would attack Ms. S.

Sorry I do not have a link, but there are pictures of her scratches and bruises if you google.

There are also quite a few pictures of DS wearing what appears to be a wig! If you see her on TV and then on her website and in other easily available photos, these photos seem to be Dina in a wig.

How many wigs does DS own and did she own at the time RZ died, and in what colors?

 

[screecher]

@MyBelle
CPR is effective some of the time. Some of the time.

For people who have spinal cord trauma, in the location where Max did and the same type, CPR (even correctly given) is ineffective. Drugs, machines and whatever else are ineffective.

Max did not die because 'someone' didn't get to him in time. Max didn't die because 'someone' didn't perform CPR long enough. Max did not die because CPR was done incorrectly.

Max died because the type of injury and placement of injury. Nothing would have saved Max. Nothing.

And that, MyBelle, is a FACT.

 

[jjenny]

Meanwhile, Jonah has been interviewed "extensively and exhaustively by law enforcement, about Max's death, and Rebecca's. Jonah has been extremely cooperative with authorities,...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...rother-adam-house-comfort-after-son-max-death

I don't doubt he was cooperative. I also don't doubt police took every word of his as gospel.

 

[dovebar]

Compare DS's "hair" at her press conference with these photos, which detail her violent history of multiple episodes and her drinking.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-Shacknai-violent-marriage-ex-wife-Dina.html

 

[screecher]

...
How many wigs does DS own and did she own at the time RZ died, and in what colors?

Ah! Excellent question! We'll probably never learn that info. Cripes, she is no-where on video tape. However, the witness who saw her at the mansion would know what color her hair was that night.

 

[*Lash*]

Below from Nina's interview posted by Lash:

...Max's brain there was no way that he could have had CPR within 2 minutes, it was impossible to have had CPR within 2 minutes without any oxygen it was impossible...

Wait a minute. Please don't tell me that this is why Rebecca was blamed.

How could the CPR that Rebecca did been miraculously more effective that the emergency intervention of the paramedics.

It took them 30 minutes to get his heart started and that was only after also using drugs.

How in Sam's Hill did anyone expect Rebecca to revive him and get his heart and lungs going in 2 minutes? Unbelievable. This cannot be the reason a woman was murdered. What a nightmare.

In the interview it also points to 'specific times'. Dina and Nina have now both made public statements referencing Wednesday afternoon or Thursday as when they were told the extent of Maxie's injuries. I can understand the confusion with all that was happening to them. However Jonah somehow knew before them and made the alleged un-retrievable voicemail to Rebecca at 12:30am Wednesday morning.

NINA: So it was a, Max had a consult on Wednesday and this was really, this was after Rebecca had passed, that he had this cardiac consult and that he had a MRI to find out the extent of the damage Wednesday morning was when we found out, Wednesday morning afternoon was when we found out the actual extent of the damage. And it was shocking.

 

[jjenny]

As I recall, that's what Rebecca's sister said-when they talked in the evening Rebecca was hoping that Max would recover and Max was having a test in the morning. Then she goes on and kills herself before even finding out the results of the test, according to police because of the phone call telling her Max's condition worsened. First of all, I don't see evidence anything actually worsened since Max arrived at the hospital at night when Rebecca got that phone call. What doctor would even be in the hospital at that late time to tell Jonah about this worsening, and before the MRI?
Second of all, why didn't Rebecca wait on the results of the test before killing herself?

 

[*Lash*]

We have no clue what they have on Rebecca in the SDSO file. Whatever it is, it is something that the SDSP thought the Zahaus would rather not make public. We don't really know if there is any violence in her history in Germany, do we? And what about all that time she was married to Neil when they were skipping out on landlords? Did she even work then? There is nothing out there on her for that period. Zilch. Unless she was using a name other than Zahau or Nalepa.


And respectfully, I have not heard ANY friends of Rebecca's come out in the media. Did she have any close women friends? I've only heard the one doctor's good opinion of her, but another said she was fired. And I've only heard Mary and Snowden say good things about her. And I've read almost everything. BTW, I don't count comments on news articles...

Hi CuriousGeorgia! Do you have a source on Rebecca skipping out on landlords? Actually in my opinion it is not important. It is not relevant to either of the alleged homicide investigations. Do you have a source that Rebecca was fired? IIRC she left her job as an ophthalmic technician to spend more time with Shacknai and his children.

 

[*Lash*]

It would have gotten Dina out of Jonah's life. And we know Rebecca did not like Dina.

How do we know Rebecca did not like Dina?

 

[*Lash*]

Sorry, still catching up on a fast-moving thread and having checked in on this case only sporadically,,,

Not directed at you, just jumping off:

Has any official source provided unequivocal evidence to prove where Jonah and/or Dina was at the time?

This is not in ANY WAY to imply I suspect them, I am just curious and as I said, trying to catch up.

Jonah was supposedly at the gym down the street. The gym is now closed. As it stands now, we don't know if CPD, AB or Dina's investigative team verified his alibi.