Discrepancies in the Depositions Between Anthony Family Members

[eaglemom]

Cindy would prolly say it was borrowing without permission!!:crazy:

No she would say KC had permission to use it because she had borrowed it in the past (like the gas cans). Money in the wallet - no need to ask - if it is there feel free to use it. Credit cards - if I haven't locked them up - they are there for the family to use......:angel:

MOO

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I thought maybe this might be a good thread to BUMP...with what BC on The Today Show, saying that CA and GC "never lied"...nothing new with the same old, same old BS that BC always says about his clients....IMO, seems like a bit of back peddling from his statements yesterday, about them not knowing what to think....and appeared like they were even contemplating their daughters guilt more seriously....seemed like BC was trying to get them back into that "grey area" with this interview....just IMO.

 

[BeanE]

I thought maybe this might be a good thread to BUMP...with what BC on The Today Show said that CA and GC "never lied"...nothing new with the same old, same old BS that BC always says about his clients....IMO, seems like a bit of back peddling from his statements yesterday, about them not knowing what to think about everything....and appeared like they were even contemplating their daughters guilt....seemed like BC was trying to get them back into that "grey area"....just IMO.

Thank you! I couldn't find this thread lol.

Patty G recorded and uploaded this. I transcribed Brad's statement of note. It is at 4:48:

I've represented them for a year now and certainly in my representation they have not made any inconsistent statements. They have not lied. They've been truthful at every turn. And prior to my entry into the case, I believe that they also gave evidence, and were truthful at every turn.

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[Searchfortruth]

I thought maybe this might be a good thread to BUMP...with what BC on The Today Show said about his comment that CA and GC "never lied"

Bradley actually said that Cindy and George have never lied about anything ? Well, I guess, as a defense attorney, his definition of a lie is quiet different from us regular people.

I can''t even count the number of times they have outright lied, not in a secret way either, their lies were downright blatant and in your face. How defense attorneys can lie with a straight face is beyond me. Must be the money or a severe lack of conscience.

Maybe he's trying to salvage their ruined reputation for their upcoming book. This book, that is in the works, will be divied out to the PI, Bradley, the A's and their bills...(who knows how many others are standing in line).

I missed the MSNBC show on purpose, I have lost my stomach for these "people".

Where's Karma when you need him ? I hope I am around to see it make it's way to Orlando.

 

[LolaMoon08]

The MAJOR lie that Cindy told in her deposition was that she had no knowledge of Dominic going out into those woods prior to Caylee's remains were found on December 11th, 2008. She's adament about it...

BUT, not according to Lee. In his deposition he says that Cindy (prior to December 11th, 2008) told him she sent Dominic out into the woods because of the psychic tip. Lee even remembers that the conversation took place in the kitchen. He remembers this so well because he was highly mad (another word was used by him) because it didn't make sense since "Caylee was alive." Lee is adament that this conversation took place PRIOR to December 11th, 2008.

I'm sorry but I believe Lee on this one and I can not believe that Cindy flat out LIED about it and I can guarantee that if she lies about this on the stand she WILL be charged with perjury and maybe more.

There was another lie I caught Cindy in about Casey's pregnacy... I'll have to find it though. It was something about the first Doctors visit.

 

[mitzi]

Bradley actually said that Cindy and George have never lied about anything ? Well, I guess, as a defense attorney, his definition of a lie is quiet different from us regular people.

I can''t even count the number of times they have outright lied, not in a secret way either, their lies were downright blatant and in your face. How defense attorneys can lie with a straight face is beyond me. Must be the money or a severe lack of conscience.

Maybe he's trying to salvage their ruined reputation for their upcoming book. This book, that is in the works, will be divied out to the PI, Bradley, the A's and their bills...(who knows how many others are standing in line).

I missed the MSNBC show on purpose, I have lost my stomach for these "people".

Where's Karma when you need him ? I hope I am around to see it make it's way to Orlando.

Well, I guess since BC has also lied, (ie. his "little white lie" on Larry King about there not being duct tape on Caylee's mouth and nose), he apparently has devised new definitions as to what constitutes a lie. *big rolleyes*

 

[Searchfortruth]

Well, I guess since BC has also lied, (ie. his "little white lie" on Larry King about there not being duct tape on Caylee's mouth and nose), he apparently has devised new definitions as to what constitutes a lie. *big rolleyes*

When I first found out he was the A's lawyer, I felt sort of sorry for him. That has long passed.

He said to reporters, after meeting with prosecutors back in January, that Cindy and George have at times given different accounts of things. I'm sorry I can't remember the exact words, but it was something to that affect. This was after he had spoken to the state about getting immunity for his "clients".

Now, they have been totally truthful ? We'll see just how truthful they are when they have to testify at their daughter's trial...I can hardly wait !

 

[The World According]

The MAJOR lie that Cindy told in her deposition was that she had no knowledge of Dominic going out into those woods prior to Caylee's remains were found on December 11th, 2008. She's adament about it...

BUT, not according to Lee. In his deposition he says that Cindy (prior to December 11th, 2008) told him she sent Dominic out into the woods because of the psychic tip. Lee even remembers that the conversation took place in the kitchen. He remembers this so well because he was highly mad (another word was used by him) because it didn't make sense since "Caylee was alive." Lee is adament that this conversation took place PRIOR to December 11th, 2008.

I'm sorry but I believe Lee on this one and I can not believe that Cindy flat out LIED about it and I can guarantee that if she lies about this on the stand she WILL be charged with perjury and maybe more.

There was another lie I caught Cindy in about Casey's pregnacy... I'll have to find it though. It was something about the first Doctors visit.

Brilliant find. This is a direct contrast to what Dominick said to police in his interview that the pshychic called HIM and that the Anthonys had no idea until much later that he had searched the woods. No wonder he is scared to testify. No wonder the Anthonys don't want him to. His lawyer made it very clear in court Friday that if the Anthonys waive the would be confidentiality agreement, he will answer questions. Since they claim to want the truth, wouldn't that have been waived just as easily as Brad announced in open court that they simply waive any conflict of interest regarding Mark N. (who now represents Mr. Miller)? Of course it would. Good job pointing this out!!!

 

[The World According]

No, you are definitely correct. the OP was just saying that in certain firefox applications, and in google, sometimes if you have google autocomplete when you start to type something in the search bar, it will bring up options for related search terms, and that maybe Cindy accidentally clicked on how to make chloroform.

http://lifehacker.com/326824/turn-on-auto+complete-on-google

For example, when I start to type "chloroform" into the google search bar, I get an option for "how to make chloroform" even though I didn't add "how to" to the search. I could have accidentally clicked on it. The thing is, when I start to type in "chlorofil" this doesn't happen. So Cindy would still have to explain away the the exact verbage of the search, as you suggested (Unless she was searching for how to make chlorophyll, as another poster suggested, which...well, why would she?)



So I was guessing that even if Cindy tried to explain it away that way, I doubt there are any records of a chlorophyll search on her comp...regardless of ANY misspelling

When the judge reads jury instructions here in Texas regarding a witness and their veracity, he/she explains that if you (a juror) should determine that a witness lied in one part of their testimony you have the option of setting aside only that portion you deem to not be credible and believing other parts of their testimony that you do find credible ( I am paraphrasing here, of course)

OR
you may opt to discount their testimony as a whole as not credible. I believe that is what is going to happen, the latter, when the jury realizes Cindy is in save Casey mode.

If she were my client I would walk the scene all the way through with her and tell her about this potential to do way more harm than good for her daughter. It strikes me as very interesting, their short sight in all matters.:banghead:

My goodness, we were taught on the third grade debate team, consider who your audience is and ask yourself what the other team will respond if you say A, or if you say B and is that going to get you your desired result. Once the good taxpayers of the jury feel she has insulted their intelligence with these obvious lies, it is over for her.

We are not on Hope Springs Drive anymore!!!!!

 

[JoAnn_W]

One thing is guaranteed...the school guidance counselor would have notified Casey LONG before any of those times...perhaps even at the very beginning of the school year. They should supoena the school records and verify when CASEY knew...

I guess every school district is different- but my experience would be the school would have mailed home a notice- which Casey could have easily intercepted. Heck, she could have even forged Cindy's signature acknowledging receipt. JMHO


JoAnn_W

 

[Just Jayla]

How about self contradictions? George saying he and Cindy discuss 99% of what is going on yet when asked about even significant events he says no she never told him about it.

In many of these instances, I believe CA did not tell GA. In some respects, I think this depo may have been very enlightening in the sense that GA did not know as much as he thought he did.

What I am up in the air about is the JB Park story...GA says he knew nothing of it. However, wasn't it said by Leonard's crew that when KC came home from jail, GA being there at the house, that CA and KC likely concocted the JB Park tale in the bathroom, then came out to the living room and announced it? Was GA not sitting there when they told this new story?

 

[krisskross]

When the judge reads jury instructions here in Texas regarding a witness and their veracity, he/she explains that if you (a juror) should determine that a witness lied in one part of their testimony you have the option of setting aside only that portion you deem to not be credible and believing other parts of their testimony that you do find credible ( I am paraphrasing here, of course)

OR
you may opt to discount their testimony as a whole as not credible. I believe that is what is going to happen, the latter, when the jury realizes Cindy is in save Casey mode.

If she were my client I would walk the scene all the way through with her and tell her about this potential to do way more harm than good for her daughter. It strikes me as very interesting, their short sight in all matters.:banghead:

My goodness, we were taught on the third grade debate team, consider who your audience is and ask yourself what the other team will respond if you say A, or if you say B and is that going to get you your desired result. Once the good taxpayers of the jury feel she has insulted their intelligence with these obvious lies, it is over for her.

We are not on Hope Springs Drive anymore!!!!!

Excellent post TWA

Think those of us who have been following this case from day one tend to forget the things that totally shocked us in the beginning and that are likely to resonate hard with a jury, e.g 31 days, vacant apartment, phantom job, Blanchard Park switcheroo, chloroform searches. The jury will be hit with all of this stuff within a few weeks as opposed to 2 and a bit years. Their WTF factor will not be diminished. :woohoo: And fundamentally, they wont appreciate having their chains yanked by one Cindy Anthony.

 

[krisskross]

In many of these instances, I believe CA did not tell GA. In some respects, I think this depo may have been very enlightening in the sense that GA did not know as much as he thought he did.

What I am up in the air about is the JB Park story...GA says he knew nothing of it. However, wasn't it said by Leonard's crew that when KC came home from jail, GA being there at the house, that CA and KC likely concocted the JB Park tale in the bathroom, then came out to the living room and announced it? Was GA not sitting there when they told this new story?

Im surprised the JBP story doesn't get discussed more often. I think come trial the prosecution are going to fully capitilize on it. Should prove not only damning for Casey but brings into question her lawyer's hand in it and his claims she wanted to cooperate with LE. And, it totally puts the other Anthonys credability where it belongs, in the toilet.

We have Cindy Anthony telling this story July 30th 2008 to Agent Scott Bolin.The following day George mentions it too, but his version is much more fuzzy. All captured on video and audio tape whilst Casey was tucked up in jail.

During their subsequent State depositions, it seems to have slipped both Cindy and George's mind that Lee had given John Morgan a very detailed non hearsay account of his sister telling him what went down at JBP, Complete with tales of special passwords and our heroine following her nanny script. Yes folks we are to believe that Zanny was possibly controlling Casey's myspace and email accounts and had the poor wittle thing running all over town, visiting tatoo parlours and various retail outlets.

Poor old George..... he still thinks it was just a brainstorming session.

 

[Just Jayla]

Im surprised the JBP story doesn't get discussed more often. I think come trial the prosecution are going to fully capitilize on it. Should prove not only damning for Casey but brings into question her lawyer's hand in it and his claims she wanted to cooperate with LE. And, it totally puts the other Anthonys credability where it belongs, in the toilet.

We have Cindy Anthony telling this story July 30th 2008 to Agent Scott Bolin.The following day George mentions it too, but his version is much more fuzzy. All captured on video and audio tape whilst Casey was tucked up in jail.

During their subsequent State depositions, it seems to have slipped both Cindy and George's mind that Lee had given John Morgan a very detailed non hearsay account of his sister telling him what went down at JBP, Complete with tales of special passwords and our heroine following her nanny script. Yes folks we are to believe that Zanny was possibly controlling Casey's myspace and email accounts and had the poor wittle thing running all over town, visiting tatoo parlours and various retail outlets.

Poor old George..... he still thinks it was just a brainstorming session.

Ah, yes-Thank you for clearing that up re: JBP. Soooo, not only does this make GA a contradictor, it makes him a stone cold liar-He told Mr. Morgan/Mitnik that the deposition was his first time hearing anything about the JB Park story at all.
And what it frightening is that GA sounded very, very beliveable-even for the patriarch of liars. Given how out-of-the-loop he has been on other things, it seemed like he really was not let in on the park story-But he had to have been....there were other things in these depos that I knew he/CA were lying about or skirting around, but he had me for a second, I really was not sure the rest of the family had enlightened him on the park. If these people can fool me, can they fool a jury (in KC's case or in their own might-be criminal prosecutions)? I hope the state is as good at pointing out these contradictions as my fellow WS's have been!

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I've been thinking about the actual trial and what information the State will want to bring in before the jury. IMHO, they will want to present a streamlined, stick-to-the-basic-facts case. They have no need to go into all of the family's "nutter-fluffer" nonsense.

The State has a strong timeline which will be represented by the family and Casey's "friends" who were with her during the 31 days.

The defense may want to bring some of this stuff in, but if they try, the State will just have to "go to the videotapes" to show how nonsensical the stories are.

 

[ladylurker]

:wave: Long-time lurker, first time poster!

The huge discrepancy between "CA and KC had a huge fight on 6/15 where CA put her hands around KC's neck" and "CA and KC had no negative words at all that weekend whatsoever" is something I'm eager to see explained. CA would at least sound more believable if she said that they might have had a tense argument but worked it out, rather than insist that absolutely nothing happened when a neighbor heard it.

I can't imagine that fight was a one-time thing. It sounds like they had explosive fights regularly. I wonder if CA had ever done anything similar to choking KC prior to that night? If "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" as CA said, is it any wonder that KC felt justified in taking her own violent aggression out on Caylee? We know sociopathic murderers aren't created in a vacuum. CA is holding on so tightly to the "my family and I are perfect" lie because she can't admit the truth of it all... that she would be angry enough to want to strangle her daughter, and especially that her daughter would be evil enough to kill her granddaughter.

Just my opinion, of course!

 

[logicalgirl]

I've been thinking about the actual trial and what information the State will want to bring in before the jury. IMHO, they will want to present a streamlined, stick-to-the-basic-facts case. They have no need to go into all of the family's "nutter-fluffer" nonsense.

The State has a strong timeline which will be represented by the family and Casey's "friends" who were with her during the 31 days.

The defense may want to bring some of this stuff in, but if they try, the State will just have to "go to the videotapes" to show how nonsensical the stories are.

I agree with you here - and I think it's a very good idea to remember the dates of these depositions - I wager a guess if they were redone tomorrow, the depositions would sound entirely different.

 

[LolaMoon08]

The changes in the ZFG stories are going to be HUGE when presenting them to a jury. I think it is one of the more important aspects of this case.

The whole purpose for the SA wanting the 911 tapes in was to establish, to a jury come trial time, the ZFG story. The 911 operator was the first person, outside of the Anthony family, to be told that Caylee had been "kidnapped" by the nanny, Zenaida Fernadez-Gonzales. It's in Casey's own words, coming out of her mouth.

I don't know whose bright idea it was to completely change the "kidnapping" story. I mean, they didn't just make a few minor changes to clean it up a little bit... they took it to an entirely different location... a very public location... with added characters (Samantha and her children)... added the physical confrontation... added the script... Have they never heard the saying "less is more? I mean, they went from a very quiet abduction while Casey was at work and had no knowledge of it until she went back to pick Caylee up to a very public and physical abduction with a script to follow?

The only problem with Casey's original story is that everything she told LE turned out to be a lie... but it could have been a believable story. I really could have believed that Casey dropped Caylee of with the babysitter and the babysitter took off with Caylee... it has happened. More than a few times. Zenaida could have just had a miscarriage... after having many miscarriages... driving her to think that she would never have a child of her own... so she had a mental break and took off with the child she had been raising... I mean, she bought Caylee everything she could ever need while she was in her care... which I find to be really creepy. All in all... Casey did invent a very compelling character... one that I would believe if she wasn't so dang lazy. She skipped a crucial part in story structure... character development... and Cindy said Casey was a very creative writer... what-eva!

The JBP story is one of those moments when I question the Anthony's motives. By that I mean that it is one of those moments when it crosses my mind that they really do have it out for Casey.

They're basically saying that Casey just stood there and allowed these women to take off with Caylee... that she didn't fight with every inch of her soul to stop these women from taking her child? She didn't scream out for help? She didn't jump into her car (or was she out of gas?) and follow them while talking to 911 on one of her many cell phones (or did she not have 911's number because it was in her other phone at Universal?)? It's not like they held a gun to her head... and even a gun couldn't stop some parents from doing everything in their power to protect their child... even if that meant dying.

They really should have hired a ghostwriter... because they are just plain awful at storytelling.

 

[krisskross]

The changes in the ZFG stories are going to be HUGE when presenting them to a jury. I think it is one of the more important aspects of this case.

The whole purpose for the SA wanting the 911 tapes in was to establish, to a jury come trial time, the ZFG story. The 911 operator was the first person, outside of the Anthony family, to be told that Caylee had been "kidnapped" by the nanny, Zenaida Fernadez-Gonzales. It's in Casey's own words, coming out of her mouth.

I don't know whose bright idea it was to completely change the "kidnapping" story. I mean, they didn't just make a few minor changes to clean it up a little bit... they took it to an entirely different location... a very public location... with added characters (Samantha and her children)... added the physical confrontation... added the script... Have they never heard the saying "less is more? I mean, they went from a very quiet abduction while Casey was at work and had no knowledge of it until she went back to pick Caylee up to a very public and physical abduction with a script to follow?

The only problem with Casey's original story is that everything she told LE turned out to be a lie... but it could have been a believable story. I really could have believed that Casey dropped Caylee of with the babysitter and the babysitter took off with Caylee... it has happened. More than a few times. Zenaida could have just had a miscarriage... after having many miscarriages... driving her to think that she would never have a child of her own... so she had a mental break and took off with the child she had been raising... I mean, she bought Caylee everything she could ever need while she was in her care... which I find to be really creepy. All in all... Casey did invent a very compelling character... one that I would believe if she wasn't so dang lazy. She skipped a crucial part in story structure... character development... and Cindy said Casey was a very creative writer... what-eva!

The JBP story is one of those moments when I question the Anthony's motives. By that I mean that it is one of those moments when it crosses my mind that they really do have it out for Casey.

They're basically saying that Casey just stood there and allowed these women to take off with Caylee... that she didn't fight with every inch of her soul to stop these women from taking her child? She didn't scream out for help? She didn't jump into her car (or was she out of gas?) and follow them while talking to 911 on one of her many cell phones (or did she not have 911's number because it was in her other phone at Universal?)? It's not like they held a gun to her head... and even a gun couldn't stop some parents from doing everything in their power to protect their child... even if that meant dying.

They really should have hired a ghostwriter... because they are just plain awful at storytelling.

Regardless of what story Casey came up with, I think the evidence from the car would have brought us to where we are today. But inventing a character you have supposedly known for almost 4 years was the dumbest thing she could have done. And I'm glad she's so dumb cos should make it that bit easier to convict her.

Real people don't live in vacuums, they have apartments, neighbours, family, friends, acquaintances, co-workers, social security numbers, driving licenses, postmen, dry cleaners. No version of the nanny turned bad..... was never gonna fly.

The switcheroo from Sawgrass was ALL Casey imo. She thought she could tell more lies and wangle her way out of this. JBP was her attempt at explaining the vacant apartment and the fact she could not provide one single authentic address for this nanny of hers. Casey had also realised that hey... the cops actually do check out information. She knew the gig was up with Amy's check book and that she had to come up with a reason she was having a blast for the last month instead of looking for her child. So necessity being the mother of invention, she then tells Lee about timer 55 and following her script.

I thank Lee Anthony from the bottom of my heart for, being such a cr*p detective and prize d*ck. He gets my special appreciation for believing "everything his sister tells him" and sharing it all with John Morgan. :bang:

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[LiveLaughLuv]

And still the defense wants to introduce RK as a suspect!

Why are they moving away from the "zani the nanny" defense. I thought ICA locked herself into that!

All the better for once a jury hears all those different scenarios, I do believe it will be a done deal for ICA!

At the very begining of this case, Baez said, there are compelling reasons that we would hear come trial of WHY ICA failed to alert authorities of an allegedly non returned Caylee, or one taken from ICA at JBP and handed this script to follow for 30 days..I really want to hear what they come up with how they explain those 31 days away...JMHO


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