• #61
I doubt it was suicide 9 pills may seem like alot to most people but to those familier with the horrors of additicion it does not seem to out of line (the dosage of each pill etc. would be needed to be known) also a person builds up a tolerence to opiates very quickly so what may seem like a deadly dose to some one that has only taken them occationally can be anything but for an addict.

Mixing opiates and benzodiazepines is a very deadly drug combination a many more ppl than you realize die from this. The deadliness of this combo is not well know and I wish it was better publisized. I had a close family member that passed away from this combination. The dose of either drug was not a lethal drug it is the interaction of the two.

Cocaine and opiates is also a very deadly combination. This is better know, it has been the cause of many high profile deaths such as Chris Farly, John Belushe (sp?), and river phoenix.

Mix all three together all its the proverbial tugging on superman's cape.

I definitely get this. I have been addicted to opiates and have lots of experience with oxycontin and at one point needed a daily addiction maintenance amount that would have certainly killed someone non-tolerant.

Still - the one in his mouth - he was obviously still putting them while he was nodding out. That doesn't make sense and really gives me some doubts as to whether or not this was intentional.

But you are right - we really need more information about all of it.
 
  • #62
Yes - I read the statement from his girlfriend too, Cambria.

Honestly, I am hard-pressed to think it wasn't suicide based on the facts we know. I have some experience with narcotics addiction in general and oxy in specific. Even for someone with tolerance, 9 oxys in your stomach and 1 in your mouth is NOT someone with an opiate tolerance trying to get higher. I mean, he was still eating oxys as he was nodding off for good - those are the actions of someone trying to take enough to go to sleep for ever.

I hope it wasn't suicide...but you're right; they found the 9th Oxy in his mouth and the other 8 in his stomach, so it sounds like he was just eating them one right after the other. But they also found crack, so if he mixed the crack with the Oxy plus heaven only knows what else he might have taken, that to me sounds like suicide. On the other hand, he could have had debilitating pain from the plane crash. So maybe he was just mixing things to get rid of the pain, and it was an accidental overdose. But they said there were several RX bottles there besides the crack pipe and the crack they found. The whole thing is just sad...
 
  • #63
I hope it wasn't suicide...but you're right; they found the 9th Oxy in his mouth and the other 8 in his stomach, so it sounds like he was just eating them one right after the other. But they also found crack, so if he mixed the crack with the Oxy plus heaven only knows what else he might have taken, that to me sounds like suicide. On the other hand, he could have had debilitating pain from the plane crash. So maybe he was just mixing things to get rid of the pain, and it was an accidental overdose. But they said there were several RX bottles there besides the crack pipe and the crack they found. The whole thing is just sad...

Also, the ones in his stomach were undigested. As Le Singe points out, though, there is more than one way to interpret what we know.
 
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Yes - I read the statement from his girlfriend too, Cambria.

Honestly, I am hard-pressed to think it wasn't suicide based on the facts we know. I have some experience with narcotics addiction in general and oxy in specific. Even for someone with tolerance, 9 oxys in your stomach and 1 in your mouth is NOT someone with an opiate tolerance trying to get higher. I mean, he was still eating oxys as he was nodding off for good - those are the actions of someone trying to take enough to go to sleep for ever.

I agree. I think he meant this.
 
  • #66
I agree. I think he meant this.

So do I, OLG - I think it was depression caused by his relapse more than any singular event that had happened. I am very sad about it.
 
  • #67
So do I, OLG - I think it was depression caused by his relapse more than any singular event that had happened. I am very sad about it.

I imagine after the crash he was given meds for pain and being an addict he relapsed (I know I would!). My heart is broken- he had come so far, fought so hard for his life!! RIP Adam!
 
  • #68
I definitely get this. I have been addicted to opiates and have lots of experience with oxycontin and at one point needed a daily addiction maintenance amount that would have certainly killed someone non-tolerant.

Still - the one in his mouth - he was obviously still putting them while he was nodding out. That doesn't make sense and really gives me some doubts as to whether or not this was intentional.

But you are right - we really need more information about all of it.

I am totally with you on this. I do not thik it was an accident
 
  • #69
I imagine after the crash he was given meds for pain and being an addict he relapsed (I know I would!). My heart is broken- he had come so far, fought so hard for his life!! RIP Adam!

(((OLG))) My "major" relapse was after taking pain meds post-cesarean...can't imagine how hard this must have been after the crash. We lose too many good people to addiction.
 
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When you have that many drugs in your system, how can it be classified accidental? I don't understand that ruling. I've never taken illegal drugs, and only occassionally taken any prescription drugs like those described, and even I know that what he had in his system was a lethal combination.

Can someone explain to me why that is considered accidental?
 
  • #72
Lizzy, perhaps the ruling was made based on quantities and when he took the - I would guess it was determined that he didn't take them all at once. Many users combine drugs - it is common to take ativan and/or xanax and/or klonopin to come down from or smooth out a cocaine high. Oxycodone is for longterm pain relief and vicodin is for breakthrough pain - benadryl would potentiate either of those drugs and may have been taken for that reason.

Most users who OD don't mean to and are used to ingesting multiple substances. I know that doesn't sound sane to a non-user and that's because it's not sane. But it's not overtly suicidal for a user.

To give an example from my own life. These are the drugs they found in his system: cocaine, oxycodone, hydrocodone (Vicodin), Ativan, Klonopin, Xanax, Benadryl and Levamisole (a drug used to cut cocaine with). I can think of more than one occasion when I was using that I took, over the course of a day, cocaine, oxycodone, hydrocodone, Ativan, Xanax, Benadryl, marijuana and alcohol. But in no way was I trying to kill myself - I didn't even think what I was doing was all that risky based on my tolerance and experience.
 
  • #73
Thank you SCM. So, because his intention wasn't to die, then it's accidental? Do I understand that correctly?

It's amazing what the human body can be put through and still survive. RIP Adam. What a loss.
 
  • #74
Thank you SCM. So, because his intention wasn't to die, then it's accidental? Do I understand that correctly?

It's amazing what the human body can be put through and still survive. RIP Adam. What a loss.

That's what I would think, Lizzy - if his intention was not to kill himself, then it is accidental.
 
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