DNA Doe Project - General Discussion #3

[djanga]

There is a new article about Kurt’s identification and I think from this article and also online records about him, he was actually 62 not 45. I am glad it was an easy identification for the DDP!

Homeless Man Who Died In Golden Gate Park, a Notorious Hater and Attacker of Dogs, Gets ID'd Via DNA

A homeless man in his 40s who was found dead in his sleeping bag near Metson Lake in Golden Gate Park in 2021 has been positively ID'd through DNA and forensic genealogy.

sfist.com

 

[djanga]

I think I found the Montreal River John Doe 2017 case you cited

Canada's Missing | Case details

The description on the Canadian unidentified persons website mentions:
"Biogeographic Ancestry testing predicts that this unidentified male is of European ancestry."

Sounds like they are making some headway

Not sure if there's a WS thread for Montreal River John Doe 2017?

I can create a thread for him later! He is listed as being in an early stage (extraction of DNA) on the DDP’s pinned post (but it has not been updated for 2 months). However from his profile you found it looks like his DNA was already uploaded to the family DNA databases. There will be a new spreadsheet update next week, maybe he will be added there.

 

[djanga]

CANADA - Canada, Montreal River Harbor, Lake Superior, Ontario, WhtMale, 50-100,camping supplies and Canadian currency dated 2016

https://www.services.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/missing-disparus/case-dossier.jsf?case=2017047335&id=4 On July 30, 2017, skeletal remains were found at the Montreal River Harbor located on Lake Superior. The location is approximately one hour north of Sault Ste. Marie on Highway 17. The Ontario Forensic...

www.websleuths.com

New thread for Montreal River Harbor John Doe

 

[djanga]

https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/2023/03/16/ramapo-college-students-identifying-bergen-nj-human-remains-police/69964290007/

It sounds as Palisades Interstate Park Cliff John Doe 2006 is in active research now!

“"I can't predict the future," said Cairenn Binder, the director of the certificate program. "But I hope that they'll be able to identify the John Doe from New Jersey whose DNA we already have."

Palisades Interstate Park Cliff John Doe 2006 | DNA Doe Project

dnadoeproject.org

 

[iamshadow21]

https://eu.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/2023/03/16/ramapo-college-students-identifying-bergen-nj-human-remains-police/69964290007/

It sounds as Palisades Interstate Park Cliff John Doe 2006 is in active research now!

“"I can't predict the future," said Cairenn Binder, the director of the certificate program. "But I hope that they'll be able to identify the John Doe from New Jersey whose DNA we already have."

Palisades Interstate Park Cliff John Doe 2006 | DNA Doe Project

dnadoeproject.org

No thread yet for this Doe that I can find on WS.

 

[djanga]

No thread yet for this Doe that I can find on WS.

Two new threads created

NJ-Fort Lee, Palisade Interstate Park, Whtmale, 44-64, previous fractures to face and right ribs, missing front tooth, 2006, UP1512

https://dnadoeproject.org/case/palisades-interstate-park-cliff-john-doe-2006/ On April 6, 2006, the skeletal remains of a man were found at the base of cliffs above Henry Hudson Drive within the Palisades Interstate Park in Fort Lee, New Jersey. He was estimated to be between 44-64 years old...

www.websleuths.com

TX-Austin, Redbud Trail, Whtmale, 20-35, suicide, eyeglasses, a Bible, 10-speed bicycle

https://dnadoeproject.org/case/redbud-trail-john-doe-1998/ On May 27, 1998, an employee of the local water treatment plant was driving near Redbud Trail in Austin, Texas, when he discovered the body of a man hanging from a tree. The trail is a half mile loop popular with hikers located near...

www.websleuths.com

 

[djanga]

If somebody has listened to the podcast, can you clarify if the DDP is working on her case as well?

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[Melt71]

I'm not sure if this is a mistake, but Mr. X and the Hartford Circus Fire victims aren't on the pending page anymore. If you still have a direct link you can access the pages but they aren't showing up in the list. I want to say it's a mistake, since when that happened with Alachua County John Doe, I think his page was fully closed.

Edit: Columbia County Jane Doe isn't there either, I'm pretty sure this is a mistake.

Must have been fixed now, there are 21 cases listed as Pending and these are the bottom 4 on the list; I didn't use the link to go in.

• 1944 Hartford Circus Fire Jane Doe ME/C 2109, NamUs #UP59502 at lab for additional extraction.
• Bones 20 Jane Doe 2003 (WA) NamUs #UP9930 back in sequencing.
• Caledonia Columbia Co Jane Doe 1982 (WI) NamUs #UP12533 at lab for sequencing.
• Johnson Co "Mr X" John Doe 1972 (TX) NamUs #UP11445 at lab for additional extraction.
--- ON HOLD ---
• 1944 Hartford Circus Fire Jane Doe ME/C 4512, NamUs #UP59504 On hold for next extraction attempt.

 

[summergirl1]

It sure would be interesting to get those circus fire victims identified..

 

[DSCrime]

Just checked the Doe-Nate Cases on DDP site & it seems that Freeborn County John Doe 2015 is very close to getting fully funded

Freeborn Co John Doe 2015 - DNA Doe Project Cases

MN - MN - Albert Lea, I-90, WhtMale 40-55, UP13731, garnet/ruby ring, clothes, coins 1965-1992, Apr'15

 

[djanga]

Must have been fixed now, there are 21 cases listed as Pending and these are the bottom 4 on the list; I didn't use the link to go in.

• 1944 Hartford Circus Fire Jane Doe ME/C 2109, NamUs #UP59502 at lab for additional extraction.
• Bones 20 Jane Doe 2003 (WA) NamUs #UP9930 back in sequencing.
• Caledonia Columbia Co Jane Doe 1982 (WI) NamUs #UP12533 at lab for sequencing.
• Johnson Co "Mr X" John Doe 1972 (TX) NamUs #UP11445 at lab for additional extraction.
--- ON HOLD ---
• 1944 Hartford Circus Fire Jane Doe ME/C 4512, NamUs #UP59504 On hold for next extraction attempt.

The pinned post was updated last time 3 months ago So, I think it can be that some of the information is not relevant any longer. But I think doggybag2355 refered to the Pending section of the DDP website, as a few of the old pending cases disappeared from it

Pending Cases | DNA Doe Project

dnadoeproject.org

 

[doggybag2355]

Just checked the Doe-Nate Cases on DDP site & it seems that Freeborn County John Doe 2015 is very close to getting fully funded

Freeborn Co John Doe 2015 - DNA Doe Project Cases

MN - MN - Albert Lea, I-90, WhtMale 40-55, UP13731, garnet/ruby ring, clothes, coins 1965-1992, Apr'15

I think both the new Ohio cases are funded

 

[doggybag2355]

The pinned post was updated last time 3 months ago So, I think it can be that some of the information is not relevant any longer. But I think doggybag2355 refered to the Pending section of the DDP website, as a few of the old pending cases disappeared from it

Pending Cases | DNA Doe Project

dnadoeproject.org

I’m still pretty sure it’s just a case of them not showing up for some reason

 

[djanga]

I’m still pretty sure it’s just a case of them not showing up for some reason

I hope so! i really hope Mister X will be identified soon.

 

[djanga]

I have just listed to the episode of the Fall Line Podcast advertised by the DDP, very interesting! Highly recommended. A lot of insight from Cairenn Binder on the proccess of identification and working on difficult cases. She has also mentioned about a couple of cases where the DDP released the information about possible regions of interest and possible family names and mentioned thag a couple of these Does were tentively identified. I think Cairenn refers to Phoenix Jane Doe whose Namus and DoeNetwork profiles have been removed recently.
P.s. The DDP is not working on Leo Jane Doe

 

[djanga]

Though she had very high matches, her case was very difficult due to endogamy, the DDP appealed to public on different occasions hoping that somebody in Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico will recognize her. Recently her Namus and Doenetwork profiles were removed.

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[djanga]

Joan has updated the spreadsheet, no new cases added, but two Does have new highest matches:

Redondo Jane Doe (CA) has a new highest match of 487.8 cM, before was 144.5 cM

Adam Doe has a new highest match of 53.1 cM before was 48.3 cM

 

[iamshadow21]

Joan has updated the spreadsheet, no new cases added, but two Does have new highest matches:

Redondo Jane Doe (CA) has a new highest match of 487.8 cM, before was 144.5 cM

Adam Doe has a new highest match of 53.1 cM before was 48.3 cM

That's a big jump for Redondo! (Still don't really understand the numbers, but I know higher is better!)

 

[djanga]

An update about Wohler County John Doe

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Here is his thread and Namus profile

CA - CA - Forestville, WhtMale 18-50, UP93104, Leather Clothes, Dec'94

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Date Body Found December 31, 1994 Location Found Forestville, California County Sonoma County Race/Ethnicity White/Caucasian Sex Male Estimated Age Group Adult-Pre 50 Height 5"11"-6"11" (71-73 inches), Estimated Weight Cannot Estimate...

www.websleuths.com

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[doggybag2355]

The Pending cases page was restructured, and now the 3 missing cases are back. Also interestingly, Suzanne's NamUs is already down.