DNA Solves Cold Cases/Parabon Nanolabs & GED/Match.

[jaejae]

Again for people to read is another interesting and recent article about GEDMATCH:

The Genealogy Site That Helped Catch the Golden State Killer Is Grappling With Privacy

 

[jaejae]

Here hopefully for people is another interesting article about the use of DNA genealogy in Canada. The article also mentions a double murder in Washington State where the DNA technology inspired by the Golden State Killer case was used. If I am right this Washington case will be the first one which comes to trial and its starts next week:

How Canadian police are using genealogy to find people potentially linked to cold cases - Fort McMurray\\\\\\\'s source for news and events

 

[itsuhhkylie]

It is so nice to read about solved cases. Its easy to fall down the rabbit hole of frustration when it comes to unsolved cases. Always good to look back at solved cases and remember there is always a chance!

 

[Vern]

Thanks for the post I am aware of that. I was posting the article for people to read. I would say that a misidentification in the case that inspired the use of DNA genealogy in other cases is quite a big issue and if the wrong suspect is identified that is not protecting the public from the offender in that particular case and would in fact just case a great deal of harm to another innocent person and his family. I am in favour of killers being caught but call me old fashioned I just want to make sure it is the right person. Again as I say I want the public to be safe as well.

The case that inspired?

That would be the identification of Little Lisa to her New Hampshire relatives. Bear Brook - Terry Peter Rasmussen, not The Golden State Killer (whom I believe has also been correctly identified). I trust science.

 

[jaejae]

The case that inspired?

That would be the identification of Little Lisa to her New Hampshire relatives. Bear Brook - Terry Peter Rasmussen, not The Golden State Killer (whom I believe has also been correctly identified). I trust science.

You are entitled to your opinion but I would say that Bear Brook case was the one that Paul Holes saw and decided to use DNA genealogy in the Golden State Killer case with Barbara Rae-Venter. In my opinion the case that inspired LE to look for suspects using DNA genealogy was the Golden State Killer case. That is the case that is always mentioned and in the article posted there is the photo of the suspect in this case Joseph DeAngelo. In the Alabama double murder case LE directly mention using DNA genealogy because of the Golden State Killer case so to me the case that inspired these other cases was the Golden State Killer case where a suspect was identified using family trees from crime scene DNA. I believe in science but I do not think it is infallible and scientific methodology has to be tested and in my opinion there are quite a few subjective unscientific procedures in DNA genealogy and it may not be as scientifically sound as the way it has been presented as one hundred percent fool proof. Thanks for your post and I was really just posting the article because it is interesting and for people to read.

 

[jaejae]

This looks like another case solved through DNA genealogy:

DNA, genealogy leads to suspect in 1976 killing near LA

 

[Webthrush]

Jaejae: I’ve joined this forum relatively recently (as someone interested in genetic genealogy), so apologies if you’ve already explained this in the past (in which case maybe you can direct me to that post?), but I’m curious why you’re so skeptical of the Golden State killer case — can you explain your doubts in a few sentences, especially does it have to do with the DNA analysis itself or more with the family-tree tracking that followed the DNA analysis (…or something else entirely)?

 

[jaejae]

Jaejae: I’ve joined this forum relatively recently (as someone interested in genetic genealogy), so apologies if you’ve already explained this in the past (in which case maybe you can direct me to that post?), but I’m curious why you’re so skeptical of the Golden State killer case — can you explain your doubts in a few sentences, especially does it have to do with the DNA analysis itself or more with the family-tree tracking that followed the DNA analysis (…or something else entirely)?

Thanks for your interest and I might explain one day but I do not think now is the right time or place and I hope to just post interesting articles and videos for people (hopefully interesting). If you read my posts you will see I think or know in my mind the Golden State Killer was someone else. Just one more think Columbo is my favourite too and I might be biased but I think I would have made him proud

 

[Gardenista]

GEDmatch Update: Genealogy Database ‘Opt-in’ Numbers Climb

 

[wary]

Arrest in 43-year-old murder case stuns Wisconsin town

The murder of Ellen Matheys and David Schuldes.

Apparently solved after 43 years.

 

[jaejae]

Here is an article about GEDMATCH and the identification of a Jane Doe. I like to think of unknown victims being given an identity and given justice and there are many successful examples of this and I am sure this is one. It is my opinion though the website GEDMATCH has been used in cases where there have been some very serious misidentifications of suspects in crimes with devastating consequences for innocent people and their families and I want this to be known before the court cases begin. Again I am in support of victims and victims relatives in crime cases and have spent years researching the EAR/ONS case trying to get people told what I consider to be the truth before people pass on:

GEDmatch Helped Give 'Annie Doe' Her Name Back. Some Fear She's Among the Last as

 

[watcher9]

Arrest in 43-year-old murder case stuns Wisconsin town

The murder of Ellen Matheys and David Schuldes.

Apparently solved after 43 years.

Similar article to the man's arrest.

© The Associated Press In this April 10, 2019 screenshot taken from a video is the house where Raymand Vannieuwenhoven lived in Lakewood, Wis. Prosecutors said they used DNA and genetic genealogy to connect Vannieuwenhoven to the killings 43 years ago of a young couple David Schuldes and Ellen Matheys. Vannieuwenhoven, 82, a widower and father of five grown children had lived quietly for two decades among the 800 residents of Lakewood, a northern Wisconsin town about 25 miles southwest from the site of the murders. Now he was being held on a $1 million bond. (AP Photo/ Ivan Moreno)

Arrest in 43-year-old murder case stuns Wisconsin town

 

[Legally Bland]

Similar article to the man's arrest.

© The Associated Press In this April 10, 2019 screenshot taken from a video is the house where Raymand Vannieuwenhoven lived in Lakewood, Wis. Prosecutors said they used DNA and genetic genealogy to connect Vannieuwenhoven to the killings 43 years ago of a young couple David Schuldes and Ellen Matheys. Vannieuwenhoven, 82, a widower and father of five grown children had lived quietly for two decades among the 800 residents of Lakewood, a northern Wisconsin town about 25 miles southwest from the site of the murders. Now he was being held on a $1 million bond. (AP Photo/ Ivan Moreno)

Arrest in 43-year-old murder case stuns Wisconsin town

From that link...

Just in case anyone is under the impression that people are being charged through forensic genealogy, rather than it leading them to suspects who are investigated and charged if appropriate.
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Parabon's experts completed Vannieuwenhoven's family tree in late December. They'd found his parents, who had lived in the Green Bay area. Now detectives needed DNA samples from Vannieuwenhoven and his three brothers. Two were ruled out with DNA samples collected from one brother's trash and another's used coffee cup.

On March 6, two sheriff's deputies knocked on Vannieuwenhoven's door, pretending they wanted him to fill out a brief survey on area-policing. They told him to put the survey in an envelope and seal it with his tongue.

Detectives didn't need to visit the fourth brother. Eight days later, Vannieuwenhoven was in custody.

 

[PayrollNerd]

GEDmatch Update: Genealogy Database ‘Opt-in’ Numbers Climb

Yay! I think the “squeaky wheels” out there getting all up in arms about privacy have completely missed the point. Only when tragedy strikes close to home, will the light bulb come on for them. I truly believe DNA is more of a deterrent in crime than the death penalty.

There’s virtually no way to avoid LE getting your DNA. People leave their trash at the curb, on public property, busted. Toss a cigarette butt, busted. Get a job, handle tools, paper, laptop, whatever, busted. Get medical care but don’t bother to read the fine print on paperwork, busted. Have a kid, busted.

Stay home, burn your own trash, live under a rock, then maybe you’ll never leave your DNA anywhere. But hey, that means you won’t be committing a crime so there you have it!!

 

[Vern]

You are entitled to your opinion but I would say that Bear Brook case was the one that Paul Holes saw and decided to use DNA genealogy in the Golden State Killer case with Barbara Rae-Venter. In my opinion the case that inspired LE to look for suspects using DNA genealogy was the Golden State Killer case. ...

Barbara Rae-Venter spear-headed the Bear Brook solve of TPR, and it was that initial case success which inspired her to carry on pioneering this area. That inspiration is exactly what allowed the GSK hunters to work with her. Bear Brook, and the identification of Lisa and TPR, IS the case that started (inspired) it all. GSK is just the case that made her famous to the non-LEO and forensics world - ie: the rest of us. She was famous within those LE and forensics communities due to Bear Brook and before the GSK solve.

Barbara Rae-Venter entered the public eye with the arrest of the reputed Golden State Killer in April 2018. But Rae-Venter’s work before that had blazed the criminalistics trail in finding a long-lost serial killer dubbed the “Chameleon”—Terry Peder Rasmussen—who left an indeterminate trail of bodies stretching from an infamous New Hampshire quadruple homicide, to at least one murder in California. Rae-Venter was recently named one of Time Magazine’s “Most 100 Influential People.” She said FamilyTreeDNA’s roughly 1 million profiles would enable her current work to continue.

GEDmatch Update: Genealogy Database ‘Opt-in’ Numbers Climb

 

[jaejae]

Barbara Rae-Venter spear-headed the Bear Brook solve of TPR, and it was that initial case success which inspired her to carry on pioneering this area. That inspiration is exactly what allowed the GSK hunters to work with her. Bear Brook, and the identification of Lisa and TPR, IS the case that started (inspired) it all. GSK is just the case that made her famous to the non-LEO and forensics world - ie: the rest of us. She was famous within those LE and forensics communities due to Bear Brook and before the GSK solve.



GEDmatch Update: Genealogy Database ‘Opt-in’ Numbers Climb

Thanks for the post but we will have to agree to disagree. I understand that Paul Holes looked at the Bear Brook case and I think there may have been other cases using DNA genealogy before that one. In that case the victims DNA was used to identify an offender through family trees and he was related to them. In the Golden State Killer case the offenders DNA not a victims was used to identify a suspect. The publicity in the Golden State Killer case then directly inspired other LE to identify other suspects. It is Mr DeAngelo's face that is shown in all the reports about DNA and mentioned as inspiring the use of DNA genealogy. Thanks for the post but this is my logic and views.

 

[Legally Bland]

Thanks for the post but we will have to agree to disagree. I understand that Paul Holes looked at the Bear Brook case and I think there may have been other cases using DNA genealogy before that one. In that case the victims DNA was used to identify an offender through family trees and he was related to them. In the Golden State Killer case the offenders DNA not a victims was used to identify a suspect. The publicity in the Golden State Killer case then directly inspired other LE to identify other suspects. It is Mr DeAngelo's face that is shown in all the reports about DNA and mentioned as inspiring the use of DNA genealogy. Thanks for the post but this is my logic and views.

There were 2 phases in the Bear Brook case. The first used the victim's DNA to identify her as Dawn Beaudin. This lead them to connect the offender known as Larry Vanner/Gerald Mockerman/Curtis Kimball with the suspect known as Robert 'Bob' Evans.

They then used DNA from the offender and forensic genealogy to identify Larry/Gerald/Curtis/Bob as Terry Rasmussen.

With the help of a genealogist and other investigators, including from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, Mr. Headley identified Lisa as Dawn Beaudin, who was last seen in Manchester, N.H., in the early 1980s. Her mother, Denise, had gone missing and is believed to have been murdered by the same man who had abandoned Lisa at the trailer park, and went to prison for murder in California.

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Using similar techniques with a DNA sample from the man known as Larry Vanner who died in prison in 2010, investigators discovered the identity of the New Hampshire killer. Last year, New Hampshire authorities identified him as Terry Peder Rasmussen, who was originally from Colorado, and is now believed to have carried out killings across the country.

The Cold Case That Inspired the ‘Golden State Killer’ Detective to Try Genealogy

 

[jaejae]

Here is an article about GEDMATCH and the identification of a Jane Doe. I like to think of unknown victims being given an identity and given justice and there are many successful examples of this and I am sure this is one. It is my opinion though the website GEDMATCH has been used in cases where there have been some very serious misidentifications of suspects in crimes with devastating consequences for innocent people and their families and I want this to be known before the court cases begin. Again I am in support of victims and victims relatives in crime cases and have spent years researching the EAR/ONS case trying to get people told what I consider to be the truth before people pass on:

GEDmatch Helped Give 'Annie Doe' Her Name Back. Some Fear She's Among the Last as

I am reposting with another link to this report as I could not access the one previously posted:

GEDmatch Helped Give 'Annie Doe' Her Name Back. Some Fear She's Among the Last as Site Revamps Privacy Policy

 

[jaejae]

There were 2 phases in the Bear Brook case. The first used the victim's DNA to identify her as Dawn Beaudin. This lead them to connect the offender known as Larry Vanner/Gerald Mockerman/Curtis Kimball with the suspect known as Robert 'Bob' Evans.

They then used DNA from the offender and forensic genealogy to identify Larry/Gerald/Curtis/Bob as Terry Rasmussen.


The Cold Case That Inspired the ‘Golden State Killer’ Detective to Try Genealogy

Thanks for the interesting post but to me this was a different type of use of DNA genealogy than in the Golden State Killer as it started from the victims DNA and not the suspects. I do not want to get people going around in circles but I am not going to change my opinion that it was the Golden State Killer case that inspired LE to identify other suspects through suspects DNA and that is what they say themselves. It is the wheelchair bound photo of Mr DeAngelo that is held up as the 'poster boy image' in these cases. Quite understandably victims relatives such as in the Colonial Parkway Murders cases want their loved ones cases solved as in the Golden State Killer case and this is the inspiration.

 

[Sincerely]

I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but has anyone else wondered if this guy Vannieuwenhoven has killed others? He apparently attacked a 16-year-old female and a 17-year-old female nearly 20-years prior to these murders, and it seems that alcohol changes his personality. His impulsive behavior when drinking reminds me of the Golden State Killer in some ways.

Arrest in 43-year-old murder case stuns Wisconsin town

Similar article to the man's arrest.

© The Associated Press In this April 10, 2019 screenshot taken from a video is the house where Raymand Vannieuwenhoven lived in Lakewood, Wis. Prosecutors said they used DNA and genetic genealogy to connect Vannieuwenhoven to the killings 43 years ago of a young couple David Schuldes and Ellen Matheys. Vannieuwenhoven, 82, a widower and father of five grown children had lived quietly for two decades among the 800 residents of Lakewood, a northern Wisconsin town about 25 miles southwest from the site of the murders. Now he was being held on a $1 million bond. (AP Photo/ Ivan Moreno)

Arrest in 43-year-old murder case stuns Wisconsin town