Do his parents know the truth?

[otto]

IMHO, they should not just discount off-hand what Cassidy may have said. Although she's legally just an infant, some two year olds are much more astute than others.

I've raised six children. One of them, the middle daughter, was talking in full sentences, knew her alphabet inside and out, and was beginning to read words by her 2nd birthday. She could also write them.

She didn't just talk in sentences with no meaning either. We were at my inlaws and when my FIL brought out some ice cream, she told him it looked expensive. LOL, she was used to the 'store brand.'

If Cassidy is this type of child, they really should listen to what she says. Of course, I guess that's up to the courts, but they shouldn't dismiss her statements as the utterances of a baby.

JMHO
fran

I agree completely that some children are able to communicate at a very young age. When my granddaughter was barely 4 she sat beside me with a book and just started talking away. Being an a-typical grandparent, I was only half paying attention to her but when I clued in, I realized that she was reading fluently from the book. I immediately reprimanded my daughter for teaching her daughter to read at such a young age, but my daughter was innocent. Her daughter had taught herself to read. I always thought stories like that were a bit of a myth until I saw it for myself. Girls tend to be like this more than boys ... that is, more developed in language at a young age. Given how Cassidy was chatting away on the 911 tape, I think we all are pretty much in agreement that Cassidy is one of those children that was strong in language even at the tender age of 2.5 years. Sadly, a traumatic event like she has experienced can interupt the development of children on all levels.

 

[otto]

Well according to one of the 'insiders' in JYs camp (last nite) they are no where near having doubt about JY. In fact, this insider claims to know who murdered MY. I think it's safe to say at this point they don't trust LE and the media. :boohoo:

I feel very sorry for Jason that he comes from an environment where honesty and integrity are not valued. If his parents are carte blanche assuming that he had nothing to do with this, in spite of his unusual reaction to his wife's murder, then it is no wonder that (if he did this) he thought he could get away with it. I realize that we've discussed the anger angle as a possible spring board for the murder, but I'm more inclined to think that he's more like the sociopathic murderer that simply makes a rational decision that he would be better off without his wife and systematically goes through the motions of planning and executing her murder. The only long term thinking he put into the entire event was how to get away with it. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't feeling a little quesy in the hours after the murder, but nothing a good nap wouldn't cure. If his parents are okay with all of this, they should realize that they could just as easily be next on his list of financial easy-street sources.

 

[jilly]

I feel very sorry for Jason that he comes from an environment where honesty and integrity are not valued. If his parents are carte blanche assuming that he had nothing to do with this, in spite of his unusual reaction to his wife's murder, then it is no wonder that (if he did this) he thought he could get away with it. I realize that we've discussed the anger angle as a possible spring board for the murder, but I'm more inclined to think that he's more like the sociopathic murderer that simply makes a rational decision that he would be better off without his wife and systematically goes through the motions of planning and executing her murder. The only long term thinking he put into the entire event was how to get away with it. I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't feeling a little quesy in the hours after the murder, but nothing a good nap wouldn't cure. If his parents are okay with all of this, they should realize that they could just as easily be next on his list of financial easy-street sources.

It really does make you wonder what's going on. Can't remember if it was you or not but someone said they guess that McIntyre or someone in the family has maybe had a previous 'experience' with LE. Maybe someone in the family is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer's going to say is shut your mouth and you are under no obligation to speak to LE. You can tell your lawyer that you want to co-operate with LE because you've got nothing to hide and the lawyer will accompany you. It is so very suspicious in my mind that he won't even do this.

Right now the family doesn't know much because LE hasn't said anything. Even with MM - at this point it can easily be explained that they were just good friends. Maybe once some facts start coming out like he didn't even have a meeting on the 3rd (speculating here) the family will start putting 2 & 2 together.

Someone mentioned before that they think JYs attorney has probably been in contact with LE. Aside from getting the vehicle back, I really doubt that. I don't think LE has to give them particulars until one is charged. What do you think?

 

[otto]

It really does make you wonder what's going on. Can't remember if it was you or not but someone said they guess that McIntyre or someone in the family has maybe had a previous 'experience' with LE. Maybe someone in the family is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer's going to say is shut your mouth and you are under no obligation to speak to LE. You can tell your lawyer that you want to co-operate with LE because you've got nothing to hide and the lawyer will accompany you. It is so very suspicious in my mind that he won't even do this.

Right now the family doesn't know much because LE hasn't said anything. Even with MM - at this point it can easily be explained that they were just good friends. Maybe once some facts start coming out like he didn't even have a meeting on the 3rd (speculating here) the family will start putting 2 & 2 together.

Someone mentioned before that they think JYs attorney has probably been in contact with LE. Aside from getting the vehicle back, I really doubt that. I don't think LE has to give them particulars until one is charged. What do you think?

I actually thought that the police had presented questions to Jason's lawyer and that Jason would have answered some questions, but now I don't know. Sometimes the police will say things to get a reaction. It's possible that they have had some answers through the lawyer but are publicly stating that they haven't spoken with Jason because they want to get him mad enough to speak up. If Jason at least communicated through his lawyer, it would show good will and that could go a long way towards making the point that he's afraid of being framed.

In the Porco case, the police put a gps transponder on his and his mother's car. Porco removed them and returned them to the police. I wonder if Jason has removed the gps transponder ... because we know they put one on his car.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Well according to one of the 'insiders' in JYs camp (last nite) they are no where near having doubt about JY. In fact, this insider claims to know who murdered MY. I think it's safe to say at this point they don't trust LE and the media. :boohoo:

Ohmigosh, jilly! I could add an orchestra to that little violin, lol! JUST like the pees - and Scotts infamous statement: "No.... but I know who did...".

Makes you want to barf, eh, when you hear/read these things. I haven't read at CTV for a while - I'm guessing similar posts are going on here as they are over there, right? Any more cat fights there, heh???

Pssst: hugs to you, jilly-girl :crazy:

 

[jilly]

Ohmigosh, jilly! I could add an orchestra to that little violin, lol! JUST like the pees - and Scotts infamous statement: "No.... but I know who did...".

Makes you want to barf, eh, when you hear/read these things. I haven't read at CTV for a while - I'm guessing similar posts are going on here as they are over there, right? Any more cat fights there, heh???

Pssst: hugs to you, jilly-girl :crazy:

Hi Annie - Happy to see you here! :blowkiss: Hopefully this virus you have is a lesser strain because I hear it's wicked. Get well soon!

Back to topic - I would like to know who jtf is over there. According to her/him they are also in the know about all financial details. Sounds like a family member. It was wild over there the other nite - I spent about 2 hrs just reading of course! :crazy: jtf exposed rpd as a female Raleigh police officer who's source (who s/he named) is a friend of MY.

Yesterday the focus seemed to be on the Order for JY to submit to photographs etc. There's normally 72 hrs to comply to such an order but LE got that waived. The Order was issued on Nov 7 and JY complied the next day. They wanted the 72 hrs waived because they said there was evidence of a struggle and injuries could heal if there was a delay. In the end, JY had 5 days from the time of the murder to being photographed and RPD says surface wounds would heal in 5 days so it's questionable whether there'd be anything to photograph if he in fact was injured.

 

[close_enough]

Hi Annie - Happy to see you here! :blowkiss: Hopefully this virus you have is a lesser strain because I hear it's wicked. Get well soon!

Back to topic - I would like to know who jtf is over there. According to her/him they are also in the know about all financial details. Sounds like a family member. It was wild over there the other nite - I spent about 2 hrs just reading of course! :crazy: jtf exposed rpd as a female Raleigh police officer who's source (who s/he named) is a friend of MY.

Yesterday the focus seemed to be on the Order for JY to submit to photographs etc. There's normally 72 hrs to comply to such an order but LE got that waived. The Order was issued on Nov 7 and JY complied the next day. They wanted the 72 hrs waived because they said there was evidence of a struggle and injuries could heal if there was a delay. In the end, JY had 5 days from the time of the murder to being photographed and RPD says surface wounds would heal in 5 days so it's questionable whether there'd be anything to photograph if he in fact was injured.

i wouldn't doubt if RPD is a female....i made one comment questioning RPD about being Jane02, & oooh, i don't know..a page or two passed & it was the FIRST time that RPD commented that he/she is a male....(discussed a wife in the post)....BUT that was probably my mind working 'overtime' ya know??

i also believe, like you, that JTF is probably a family member...

 

[scandi]

I read that too Close, where RPD says he is male and is married. I think I've heard him infer that his wife was a sorority sister friend of Michelle's.

JTF, Oftentimes I think it is Jason. He is used to posting on sport forums and must be going bonkers about now doing nothing that we know of. I think it really ires him that boards discuss this case at great depths, and his male ego can't quite handle these thoughts being out there. He's smart and has tried to correct things to where he wants them and to throw false info out to throw us off kilt. He probably knows LE reads at CTV - they read here too as our Mod told us that when Laci went missing.

Unless it is a law clerk doing the bidding of Mr Smith, who else would go to bat for JY on such a continual basis than the man himself!

 

[jilly]

i wouldn't doubt if RPD is a female....i made one comment questioning RPD about being Jane02, & oooh, i don't know..a page or two passed & it was the FIRST time that RPD commented that he/she is a male....(discussed a wife in the post)....BUT that was probably my mind working 'overtime' ya know??

Afternoon Close - evening to you!
I remember that about JaneO2!! Come to think of it Jane never came back did she?

 

[jilly]

JTF, Oftentimes I think it is Jason. He is used to posting on sport forums and must be going bonkers about now doing nothing that we know of. I think it really ires him that boards discuss this case at great depths, and his male ego can't quite handle these thoughts being out there. He's smart and has tried to correct things to where he wants them and to throw false info out to throw us off kilt. He probably knows LE reads at CTV - they read here too as our Mod told us that when Laci went missing.

Unless it is a law clerk doing the bidding of Mr Smith, who else would go to bat for JY on such a continual basis than the man himself!

Very good points Scandi. One things for sure - Jason is not Jay's fan. LOL its probably Justin Falconer!! :crazy: No....second thought can't be Justin - too educated.

 

[raisincharlie]

Well according to one of the 'insiders' in JYs camp (last nite) they are no where near having doubt about JY. In fact, this insider claims to know who murdered MY. I think it's safe to say at this point they don't trust LE and the media. :boohoo:

Must have been just the facts and hopefully she told LE who murdered Michelle since she claims to know. Wonder why LE isn't focusing on that person ? Now we have it - LE is on the wrong track...yea, right. :slap:

 

[raisincharlie]

It really does make you wonder what's going on. Can't remember if it was you or not but someone said they guess that McIntyre or someone in the family has maybe had a previous 'experience' with LE. Maybe someone in the family is a lawyer. The first thing a lawyer's going to say is shut your mouth and you are under no obligation to speak to LE. You can tell your lawyer that you want to co-operate with LE because you've got nothing to hide and the lawyer will accompany you. It is so very suspicious in my mind that he won't even do this.

Right now the family doesn't know much because LE hasn't said anything. Even with MM - at this point it can easily be explained that they were just good friends. Maybe once some facts start coming out like he didn't even have a meeting on the 3rd (speculating here) the family will start putting 2 & 2 together.

Someone mentioned before that they think JYs attorney has probably been in contact with LE. Aside from getting the vehicle back, I really doubt that. I don't think LE has to give them particulars until one is charged. What do you think?

I don't think LE has to give the lawyer any particulars about lab results or anything of that nature until whatever the discovery rules are in NC. I did note on most of the warrants, they were marked as being copied to Roger Smith. That may be SOP for NC but I don't know that one way or the other.

I will speculate that JY's family does not believe he had anything to do with it, nor do they want to believe it. I think they will provide a solid front that the trip to Brevard was a planned event - even if he called them on 3 November to tell them he was stopping by - Just My Opinion of course.

 

[jilly]

Must have been just the facts and hopefully she told LE who murdered Michelle since she claims to know. Wonder why LE isn't focusing on that person ? Now we have it - LE is on the wrong track...yea, right. :slap:

You're right again!

 

[raisincharlie]

You're right again!

I just popped over and looked since I read your post. I see there is also the claim that valuable jewelery was taken along with the drawers from the jewelery box. Come on, I didn't fall off no turnip truck - the drawers were taken - how crazy is that ? Not buying that one. No way :doh:

 

[jilly]

I don't think LE has to give the lawyer any particulars about lab results or anything of that nature until whatever the discovery rules are in NC. I did note on most of the warrants, they were marked as being copied to Roger Smith. That may be SOP for NC but I don't know that one way or the other.

I will speculate that JY's family does not believe he had anything to do with it, nor do they want to believe it. I think they will provide a solid front that the trip to Brevard was a planned event - even if he called them on 3 November to tell them he was stopping by - Just My Opinion of course.

I have to say that if this was my son, I might be in a state of denial at this point too. I know I'd be scared silly though.

That's interesting about the warrants being copied to the lawyer. I would guess that Smith might have contacted LE and told them any communication with Young should go through him - in other words back off but to be copied with the warrants - I find that interesting. No big deal though.

 

[raisincharlie]

I have to say that if this was my son, I might be in a state of denial at this point too. I know I'd be scared silly though.

That's interesting about the warrants being copied to the lawyer. I would guess that Smith might have contacted LE and told them any communication with Young should go through him - in other words back off but to be copied with the warrants - I find that interesting. No big deal though.

I agree - no big deal. I'm sure the cya started long before the warrants were ever returned.

 

[otto]

I have to say that if this was my son, I might be in a state of denial at this point too. I know I'd be scared silly though.

That's interesting about the warrants being copied to the lawyer. I would guess that Smith might have contacted LE and told them any communication with Young should go through him - in other words back off but to be copied with the warrants - I find that interesting. No big deal though.

I think that since Jason has a lawyer, the warrants are given to the lawyer who then contacts Jason about their contents. As for disclosure, I think that the police have to disclose their evidence after charges are laid and a trial date is set.

 

[fran]

I think that since Jason has a lawyer, the warrants are given to the lawyer who then contacts Jason about their contents. As for disclosure, I think that the police have to disclose their evidence after charges are laid and a trial date is set.

During the SP trial, LE had to turn over evidence that they were using to show probable cause for SP to stand trial. That was, I believe, somewhere between 30 to 60 days prior to the preliminary hearing. Then before the actual trial began, they then were obligated to turn over ANYTHING they planned to use as evidence during trial, during the same type of time frame.

I also believe that anytime LE comes up with anything 'exculpatory,' they must turn that over to the defendents attorney.

JMHO
fran

 

[otto]

During the SP trial, LE had to turn over evidence that they were using to show probable cause for SP to stand trial. That was, I believe, somewhere between 30 to 60 days prior to the preliminary hearing. Then before the actual trial began, they then were obligated to turn over ANYTHING they planned to use as evidence during trial, during the same type of time frame.

I also believe that anytime LE comes up with anything 'exculpatory,' they must turn that over to the defendents attorney.

JMHO
fran

Thanks Fran. My legal info (and I'm not a lawyer) is from the Canadian system, which can be quite different than the US system. I think it's fairly common here for people to waive the pre-lim and go straight to trial, at which point there is full disclosure by the Crown. Exculpatory evidence must be turned over and, if not, it can be grounds for a mistrial.

 

[jilly]

During the SP trial, LE had to turn over evidence that they were using to show probable cause for SP to stand trial. That was, I believe, somewhere between 30 to 60 days prior to the preliminary hearing. Then before the actual trial began, they then were obligated to turn over ANYTHING they planned to use as evidence during trial, during the same type of time frame.

I also believe that anytime LE comes up with anything 'exculpatory,' they must turn that over to the defendents attorney.

JMHO
fran

I understand what you're saying Fran but wasn't Scott already charged before the DA was obligated to turn over anything to his attorneys?