Do You Think Susan Will Ever Be Found?

[carmenugt]

'anybody have a link to the documents? I cant find them .Thanks

 

[laytonian]

I can't tell you if Susan Powell will ever be found. I hope she will be, but I have a feeling she won't.

Here's one thing that bothers me, she was last seen in Utah, and they're looking in Salem, OR?

There are at least a dozen counties that you can go through to get to Salem, and almost every one of them in less populated than Marion county.

In fact I was thinking about it, and I decided to fill out a handy-dandy little map of county lines and the rough population of each of them.

(snipped maps)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what those maps are supposed to tell us.

 

[Laughing]

The maps indicate just how much uninhibited, undeveloped, unsupervised empty space was available for the disposal of Susan's body.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Given the weather that night, he did not go south down 15 and then across Soldiers Summit. IF he had gone east on 80 he would have been seen by all the traffic cams at Parley's Canyon. North, even on Redwood Rd there would be traffic cams. The same thing west on 80. I have always wondered why no video/stills of vehicle on these roads. We drove all of them looking for cams. If he went left out of his cul de sac that night he would go from Chowning Rd to 3500. Left would take him through Magna and right to Bangerter Hwy and Redwood. He had to be on camera. IMHO We have driven every possible route out of his cul de sac. If he went right out of there he still had to end up on main roads.

 

[EmmaliLucia]

(snipped maps)

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what those maps are supposed to tell us.

Like Laughing said, they show all the places he could have hidden her. There are several counties within a few hours drive that are bigger than some East coast states and have less than 10,000 people in them (And 10,000 is a fairly small town, at least in my opinion)


The vehicle he was in showed that he travelled 600 miles, right? There are a lot of really desolate places within 300 miles of Salt Lake City.

 

[gwenabob]

I can't tell you if Susan Powell will ever be found. I hope she will be, but I have a feeling she won't.

Here's one thing that bothers me, she was last seen in Utah, and they're looking in Salem, OR?

There are at least a dozen counties that you can go through to get to Salem, and almost every one of them in less populated than Marion county.

In fact I was thinking about it, and I decided to fill out a handy-dandy little map of county lines and the rough population of each of them.

True. But the property they are looking at near Salem is a farm that was inhabited at the time by cousins of the Powells. That makes a big difference. Privacy.

 

[gwenabob]

I hope Susan's remains will be found one day. There is so much territory to cover it is like finding a needle in a barn full of hay. I understand the Cox's need to keep looking, I would too.
It is sad to read the comments in many of the recently posted articles online. Wow. There are so many misguided folks that have their minds tangled in peripheral unsubstantial trivia and not on the fundamental issues of the case.

In a nutshell to me, the bottom lines are:
The Powell family have some really deep seated dysfunctionality.

Susan should have left JP, but unfortunately her strong religious beliefs and her desire to make the marriage work kept her from taking the leap out.

bbm, sbm

Good post. I just wanted to point out that Susan also had FEAR working against her. She was afraid of Josh. He had made statements that she would never get custody of the boys and he would fight so hard she wouldn't have a penny left if she tried to divorce him. She knew how drawn out, messy, and expensive Josh's parents' divorce was. Steven destroyed Josh's mother. Susan knew she would be in for the same treatment under Steven's expert tutelage.

I think she also feared for her safety and the boys' safety. And now we see she had good reason for that fear, didn't she. It was more than religion and perseverance that kept her in that marriage.

 

[pip]

bbm, sbm

Good post. I just wanted to point out that Susan also had FEAR working against her. She was afraid of Josh. He had made statements that she would never get custody of the boys and he would fight so hard she wouldn't have a penny left if she tried to divorce him. She knew how drawn out, messy, and expensive Josh's parents' divorce was. Steven destroyed Josh's mother. Susan knew she would be in for the same treatment under Steven's expert tutelage.

I think she also feared for her safety and the boys' safety. And now we see she had good reason for that fear, didn't she. It was more than religion and perseverance that kept her in that marriage.

You are quite right.

 

[MsFacetious]

A few things:
The rental car showed 800 miles. That's why they are searching a 400 mile stretch.

It would not matter if he was caught on a traffic camera, those don't record.
I would not avoid traffic cameras if I was committing a crime... especially not in a common vehicle.

http://commuterlink.utah.gov/

I know in a much earlier thread we established where I-80 was closed that night.
I believe it was Evanston? We ruled out Wyoming for this reason. He wouldn't have gotten that far.
(Though that didn't stop me from looking when I was in Wyoming. You never know for sure.)
I don't know if we looked for the day the rental car was used. I can't find it now.

He would not have even made it up Parley's (I-80) that night in a minivan with no chains.
I was up in Salt Lake that night a mile from Parley's in a 4 wheel drive truck and BARELY made it home.

When looking at where I COULD drive in a snowstorm... I-15 is really the only viable option.
I-84 gets much uglier because of the wind and how deserted it is. I can't see going that way in a storm.
However, it might be POSSIBLE. While I-80 was not even a possibility given his vehicle.

I think he may have gone to Tremonton that night, then when he had the rental car... moved her further north. :twocents:

I will look more tonight and see if I can find where we discussed this before.
I will also try to look up the road closures for when he had the rental car.


Family of missing mom launching 400 mile search

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loc...cle_bc1b2aae-c893-11e2-88f2-0019bb2963f4.html

 

[thefragile7393]

bbm, sbm

Good post. I just wanted to point out that Susan also had FEAR working against her. She was afraid of Josh. He had made statements that she would never get custody of the boys and he would fight so hard she wouldn't have a penny left if she tried to divorce him. She knew how drawn out, messy, and expensive Josh's parents' divorce was. Steven destroyed Josh's mother. Susan knew she would be in for the same treatment under Steven's expert tutelage.

I think she also feared for her safety and the boys' safety. And now we see she had good reason for that fear, didn't she. It was more than religion and perseverance that kept her in that marriage.

That is what keeps many people in abusive relationships....religion can play a part definitely too but in this case Gwena I agree. In infuriates me to no end that JP was so evil and in this life got away with it.

 

[time]

A few things:
The rental car showed 800 miles. That's why they are searching a 400 mile stretch.

It would not matter if he was caught on a traffic camera, those don't record.
I would not avoid traffic cameras if I was committing a crime... especially not in a common vehicle.

http://commuterlink.utah.gov/

I know in a much earlier thread we established where I-80 was closed that night.
I believe it was Evanston? We ruled out Wyoming for this reason. He wouldn't have gotten that far.
(Though that didn't stop me from looking when I was in Wyoming. You never know for sure.)
I don't know if we looked for the day the rental car was used. I can't find it now.

He would not have even made it up Parley's (I-80) that night in a minivan with no chains.
I was up in Salt Lake that night a mile from Parley's in a 4 wheel drive truck and BARELY made it home.

When looking at where I COULD drive in a snowstorm... I-15 is really the only viable option.
I-84 gets much uglier because of the wind and how deserted it is. I can't see going that way in a storm.
However, it might be POSSIBLE. While I-80 was not even a possibility given his vehicle.

I think he may have gone to Tremonton that night, then when he had the rental car... moved her further north. :twocents:

I will look more tonight and see if I can find where we discussed this before.
I will also try to look up the road closures for when he had the rental car.


Family of missing mom launching 400 mile search

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/loc...cle_bc1b2aae-c893-11e2-88f2-0019bb2963f4.html

If you find out about the road closings, that may be critical. And, could he have stopped for a while then went on? Or went South towards Las Vegas or down Hwy6 to Great Basin National Park/Ely (only saying that because he had a map of it on his computer) IDK. This drives me nuts. I would like to know what other maps they found on his computer.

Police could not decrypt a lot of information on Josh Powell’s computers, but found some information about her benefits from a previous employer, a reference to obtaining a storage computer, maps of Ely, Nev., as well as other places.

Also, wondering if the <cough cough> affair he had was with a woman from Wendover. Do we know where she lived? It almost seems to me that those three things go together 'Dating'/Escort/Wendover

Police put a GPS tracker on Josh Powell&#8217;s minivan four days after Susan disappeared. They followed him from West Valley City to a Wendover, Nev., strip club.

Police were contacted by a woman who claimed she had a sexual relationship with Josh Powell (they later said she was not cooperative). Police also said they had a tip that Josh Powell had hired an escort, but could not corroborate it.

http://fox13now.com/2013/05/24/wire...ew-details-in-susan-cox-powell-disappearance/

 

[MsFacetious]

We are going to Topaz on Friday.
As always, I will keep an eye out... though I don't think for a second she is south. :twocents:

 

[MsFacetious]

This is the route that Google Maps tells you to take from West Valley to Topaz Mountain...
that would be most likely to be clear in the winter.

These pictures are from right after Topaz Mountain to almost Eureka.
After passing the turn off to Topaz Mountain (heading BACK towards West Valley) on Hwy 6.

I still don't believe Josh went to all the trouble to dig a grave in December.
Putting her anywhere out there... not even very far from the road... would still make it difficult to find her.
If I was going to dump a body out by Topaz Mountain, I wouldn't bury it... I'd put it out there.

 

[time]

We are going to Topaz on Friday.
As always, I will keep an eye out... though I don't think for a second she is south. :twocents:

I agree, but it doesn't hurt at this point to consider alternatives and think out of the box. Also, I'm wondering if Josh did not drive anywhere near 400 miles away... but then again, I'm not sure where he would have driven all those extra miles.

Thank you so much for the pictures.

 

[MsFacetious]

I get lost going everywhere.
I could drive 100 miles, drop a body... then go 100 miles out of my way because I got lost on the way back.
Seriously... I ALWAYS get lost. It's ridiculous.

Maybe Josh drove 100 miles... then dropped off Susan...
Drove around aimlessly for another 100 miles or so... then headed back.

 

[time]

I get lost going everywhere.
I could drive 100 miles, drop a body... then go 100 miles out of my way because I got lost on the way back.
Seriously... I ALWAYS get lost. It's ridiculous.

Maybe Josh drove 100 miles... then dropped off Susan...
Drove around aimlessly for another 100 miles or so... then headed back.

I think that could be possible ... or he drove 100 miles and then went somewhere else. He also has a habit of trying to evade LE so maybe he did some weird nonlinear path. IDK. I tend to think he must have handed off something to his brother since Michael seemed so worried about destroying the car. I'm just not certain that was a body. Maybe it was clothes, murder weapon, blanket.

 

[EmmaliLucia]

Okay so my mom keeps telling me this story and I have never heard anyone mention it here:


When Susan went missing what supposedly happened was Josh and his sons went camping and it was in the middle of the winter, correct?

ANYWAYS, when the kids started talking they started saying things about how they saw their mom in a rug and Josh was carrying her away.

If that is what the kids said then has every last inch of where they went camping been examined?

 

[MsFacetious]

We don't know for sure where they went "camping", that's the problem.

 

[rachaellouise]

I honestly think Josh did drive something like 100 miles in a random direction (nowhere with personal ties to him) to dump Susan in brush or something like that. Sick, sick sick.

 

[time]

I honestly think Josh did drive something like 100 miles in a random direction (nowhere with personal ties to him) to dump Susan in brush or something like that. Sick, sick sick.

I think that is very possible. Maybe he gave Michael the location who then picked her up and moved her. I can't see Michael being so worried about his car unless he thought there was at least a smidgen of evidence possible. But I don't think the place is necessarily logical, e.g., a path somewhere between Michael and Josh's locations.