Does Anyone here think Casey Anthony is innocent?

[Jolynna]

Devon, to follow your line of reasoning and assume it were an accident, Casey's attitude is such because she is a coward and a liar, why would she not fess up before now to save her own skin? The DP could go back on the table. Who wouldn't speak up IF it were due to negligence?

I agree.

Also nothing about "duct-taping" Caylee's mouth is indicative of "fear" or depression. That is a bold action in my book.

Casey's strut isn't even off in the Blockbuster video.

MOO

 

[Foxxtrot]

What evidence or reason would prove to you that she is not guilty of killing Caylee or at the very least felony child abuse/neglect which resulted in the death of a child?

I am truly interested. I just can't come up with anything that puts everything we already know together with something that will turn all that into her being innocent.

Another persons finger print or DNA on the duct tape.

But I think she is guilty of child abuse and neglect. Probably a whole lot more but the prosecution hasn't released enough for me to sit here and say she is 100% guilty. I still need to hear from the defense.

 

[Jolynna]

Another persons finger print or DNA on the duct tape.

But I think she is guilty of child abuse and neglect. Probably a whole lot more but the prosecution hasn't released enough for me to sit here and say she is 100% guilty. I still need to hear from the defense.

Another person's DNA or fingerprint on the ADHESIVE side of the duct tape would create reasonable doubt for me, too.

 

[Skully]

Another persons finger print or DNA on the duct tape.

But I think she is guilty of child abuse and neglect. Probably a whole lot more but the prosecution hasn't released enough for me to sit here and say she is 100% guilty. I still need to hear from the defense.

I can't wait to hear what this defense could possibly be :waitasec:

 

[Ariane]

I do not automatically assume people guilty just because they're arrested and the DA and and Nancy Grace say so-- look how the prosecutor and NG behaved over jumping to conclusions about the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players! And in Illinois we've seen a bunch of people actually on Death Row who were later PROVED innocent!
So I try to maintain a healthy skepticism over what is said in the media.

But in this case it is pretty hard to have any lingering doubts that Casey might be an innocent victim in this. It's the combination of the forensic evidence plus her behavior and lies plus the interviews of others. Baez says there is much more of the story we have not heard, and I look forward to hearing it but frankly I can imagine no combination of circumstances they have hinted at that would fit with both her innocence and the evidence we have seen so far under Florida's unusually open "Sunshine Laws" .

There ARE times when the family of a kidnap victim are afraid to call LE because of threats to the victim. There are times when someone tries to investigate on their own. But in those cases there would usually be some record of how the threats were made. Plus they would usually confide in someone about the horrible ordeal, for emotional support or to get help investigating ....and if they were investigating there would be some evidence that they WERE doing that as opposed to hanging out with a lover and partying. I think it would be quite unusual that none of their friends had observed any sign of worry or sorrow.
If someone temporarily took Caylee "to teach her a lesson" as she told Cindy, and she was not so worried because she believed she was going to be brought back by August, then when that didn't happen and time kept going by, why would she not then honestly cooperate with LE to track that person down?

BUT those scenarios (or others in which she gave the baby away to someone) don't explain why her car has elements of human decomp and a hair with a death band....and statements from her friends that she had said SHE left the car at Amscot, and that she had previously talked about a terrible smell in the car (are we to suppose 2 terrible smells? First "squirrels", then human decay?)

I believe she's guilty, but I don't know exactly what happened or how premeditated it was, and in playing devil's advocate with myself, I can still imagine a slight possibility of accident - especially if under circumstances of extreme neglect or abuse, such as leaving her locked in a hot car or a drug OD -- something Casey would have realized there was no way she would appear sympathetic if she told the truth.
I realize of course there are things that point toward premeditation, like the web searches and the duct tape. But she could have been fantasizing a few months earlier about killing Caylee or her parents and made those web searches, and still there could have been an accident. As for the duct tape, it seems to me there is a definite possible reason it could have been put on after death: to stop fluids draining from the mouth.

I am not saying I believe it was an accident, just that I can still see a possibility. I am just HOPING the tape was either put there after death or at least that poor Caylee was never concious of it -- it makes me sick to think how terrified she would have been for her mother to brutally grab her and tape her face like that -- or perhaps to have awoken from a chloroformed stupor and found herself locked in the trunk with tape over her mouth.
(was the tape over the nose as well as the mouth? In that case it's unlikely she would have awoken at all if she were knocked out when it was done)

When I've heard people express things like she should be guilty until proven innocence, I feel people are letting their hatred for Casey override an important principle. I see absolutely nothing wrong that the prosecution are the ones who must prove their case. That is one of the foundations of Anglo-American law. And if it sometimes results in the guilty getting off, that is terrible but I don't think it is so terrible as numbers of innocent people spending years behind bars, being marked for life by that conviction and imprisonment, or even being murdered by the state. Those who feel that more innocent people being locked up or executed is a fair trade off for making it easier to convict the guilty, must be unable to imagine themselves or their loved ones being in that position - -- but that's how some of the wrongly convicted have felt before it happened to them. I see no reason to lessen the safeguards and make people prove their innocence.

 

[cuppy199]

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If there really was a big blow out between CA and KC during the previous evening, and if they had all been swimming before that as CA claims then it's possible that they were both too distracted/distressed/angry to remember the pool ladder.

'Mom, you don't know what my involvement is in stuff?'

Or there was no accident and she used the ladder to get over the fence And as far as that statement KC said to CA I cant count how many times I have said that to my parents.Thats a way to guilt them. Looks to me though CA didnt take the bait to well.Maybe because KC has pulled it before:waitasec:

 

[costalpilot]

ok guys, was just sharing my thoughts and you gave me more to ponder. I agree with the mothers, probably wouldn't be out partying either. Admit that is strange unless she was forced to do it for some reason. Just sharing thoughts. All I know is I'm not convinced yet, looks probable, but there;s another side to hear at trial and she may not be 100 percent guilty.

my bolding.


so, THIS, is the first time you have been introduced to the idea that her partying behavior was suspicious?

frankly, thats hard to believe, unless you've just returned to earth from the space station.


please explain how a person is not 100% guilty? or, 100% innocent of an act?

While your at it, please explain how a mother could have her daughter kidnapped and not tell a single soul about it for 31 days?


While your at it, now that everyone knows Caylee is dead, pease explain why her mother still refuses to tell police everything she knows about the "kidnapping"? Since Caylee is dead, wouldn't you think KC would want the KILLER to be apprehended?

The ONLY way to help bring the "KILLER" to justice would be to tell the cops everything you know about the disappearance?

But KC still refuses to talk to police????? why is that? Doesn't she want the KILLER to be found?

 

[Foxxtrot]

All you have to do is read the available information that has been released in this case. Although KC's attitude is a component of the story, it is by no means, the whole story. Look at the whole package. If the defense had some **bombshell** that proved KC was innocent, don't you think they would have produced it by now?

All the evidence, lies, attitude, lies, logic and lies points to only one person....KC.

I guarantee you I have read as much of the documents as you have if not more.

I never said they had a bombshell!

 

[Ariane]

Oops, I got something wrong: I wrote "If someone temporarily took Caylee "to teach her a lesson" as she told Cindy". According to what Cindy told the FBI, Casey had told Lee this. It was I think part of that story about the "timer55" password which was supposedly a code for 55 days from the abduction to Caylee's b-day. but I believe computer forensics showed the password had been changed in May, so it couldn't be based on something "Zani" or whoever had said at the time of the "abduction"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3059857#post3059857

 

[Ariane]

Oops, I got something wrong: I wrote "If someone temporarily took Caylee "to teach her a lesson" as she told Cindy". According to what Cindy told the FBI, Casey had told Lee this. It was I think part of that story about the "timer55" password which was supposedly a code for 55 days from the abduction to Caylee's b-day. but I believe computer forensics showed the password had been changed in May, so it couldn't be based on something "Zani" or whoever had said at the time of the "abduction"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3059857#post3059857

 

[Jolynna]

my bolding.


so, THIS, is the first time you have been introduced to the idea that her partying behavior was suspicious?

frankly, thats hard to believe, unless you've just returned to earth from the space station.


please explain how a person is not 100% guilty? or, 100% innocent of an act?

While your at it, please explain how a mother could have her daughter kidnapped and not tell a single soul about it for 31 days?


While your at it, now that everyone knows Caylee is dead, pease explain why her mother still refuses to tell police everything she knows about the "kidnapping"? Since Caylee is dead, wouldn't you think KC would want the KILLER to be apprehended?

The ONLY way to help bring the "KILLER" to justice would be to tell the cops everything you know about the disappearance?

But KC still refuses to talk to police????? why is that? Doesn't she want the KILLER to be found?

:clap::clap: Good post!

 

[costalpilot]

I have a feeling the reason Baez says we don't have the whole story yet is because HE doesn't have the story yet either. He's still making one up.

:dance:

 

[lin]

I think the circumstantial evidence is overwhelmingly against her innocence and I'll wait for the jury's vote. But, something that has bothered me since Caylee was found - if KC was such a planner and deceiver - why did she discard Caylee in that way so close to home? There are hundreds of places where this poor child could have been placed and never - ever -found again.

I have seen KC accused of many, many things. However, being smart or industrious were not on that list.

 

[Lil'E]

No, I think KC did this on here own.

 

[Paintr]

I guarantee you I have read as much of the documents as you have if not more.

I never said they had a bombshell!

After reading all these documents what do you think the defense will present at trial?

I know that you wished for anothers fingerprints on the tape but the Pros could explain that away as KC kept the tape from someone else. (ie Amy H)

If not a 'bombshell' what are you expecting? I am not being snarky, I would really like to know.

 

[Jolynna]

I have seen KC accused of many, many things. However, being smart or industrious were not on that list.

That is true.

Also, according an article by Diane Dimond, mothers who murder usually leave their children close to home.

A study of mothers who murder reveals most dispose of their children's bodies in "a womb-like way." The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children reports the victims are often found carefully wrapped in plastic or submerged in water and the bodies were usually found within ten miles of the family home.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-dimond/a-missing-child-a-silent_b_124535.html

 

[Foxxtrot]

I didn't say sending in a priest would help (it wouldn't, imo). I asked if you needed to see a video of the actual murder occurring with a priest standing in the video to testify to what he saw happen to Caylee before you believe she was guilty.

Oh, my bad. Sorry....

Of course, there is more evidence which is being witheld by OCSO, the FBI, and the SA's Office. The doc dumps only include what is considered the "fluff" of this case and they do not have to release what is ongoing or pertinent to the trial. I have no doubt from what has been released that the things held back are going to be iron clad evidence of her guilt.

I hope you are right. If it is Casey then I want the prosecution to have all the evidence to convict her so that there isn't any doubt.

Any guesses as to what else they may have?

 

[HRCODEPINK]

In MHO Casey is a very self-serving person. If there were a snowball's shot n he that she would get out, she would sing like a canary! This person is looking at probably a year or more waiting for a trial and I don't know about you guys but if I were in the same situation I would tell what I knew to free myself---no bones about it. Jail is hardly the Fusion nightclub----she has fewer and fewer fans all the time! SHE IS GUILTY AS SIN! IMO!:behindbar

Speaking of her having fewer and fewer fans...maybe when people stop donating to her commissary if there is a shred of innocence or accident maybe then she will talk. I doubt there is anything that she can say that won't qualify for 1st degree, tho.

 

[Foxxtrot]

A sleuth on here said that maybe she tore the tape with her teeth. I thought that a good possibility. Trace amounts of her dna from saliva on the inside of the tape?

Right, there is a lot to be learned by the duct tape.

If Casey is guilty of this crime then they will find it on the duct tape. She hasn't been proven to be too smart so far so I doubt she was smart enough to keep all prints and DNA off the tape.

 

[Foxxtrot]

But since KC supposedly knew exactly where Caylee was (with the Nanny at all these fun places) for a month and she had not seen her or had contact with her, would there actually be a chance of transference after such a long period of time?

If the nanny had Caylee and killed her the 15/16th and disposed of her body by the 17/18th, then okay.

But since KC insisted to everyone that Caylee was alive and well and with the Nanny for the whole month before she admitted she was missing, that would mean that the Nanny would not have killed her until after KC received the phone call from Caylee. By then, I would think that most prints and hairs from KC would have been long gone, brushed away, washed away, etc. That would make it a little harder.

Wow, I am not sure if that made any sense. But basically, even with transference, KC has lied her way into a corner in this scenario that she can't get out of either IMO.

It made sense to me and your right, any hairs of Casey's that would have been on Caylee would have surely been washed off or brushed out. I had not thought about the time frame.

The only other thing that I can think of for the defense to come up with is that Casey had given the nanny a bag of clothes and her hair could be on any of those clothes including the ones found at the site. Makes for a harder argument but still possible I guess.