Does Anyone here think Casey Anthony is innocent?

[Foxxtrot]

What has only been a few weeks? Caylee missing, Caylee found in the woods, Caylee laying in a box?

Caylee being found in the woods.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I guarantee you I have read as much of the documents as you have if not more.

I never said they had a bombshell!

Can I ask how you could have read more?

 

[costalpilot]

When forensic experts challenge forensic evidence, they are challenging the tests, opinions, and analyses of other forensic scientists and experts, not trying to 'discredit the state'. Forensic evidence can be, and often is, flawed, and just because the results and analyses have been produced on behalf of the state, that does not make them automatically 100% accurate.

As to the question for this thread, it depends on what we are referring to when talking about the possibility that KC is innocent. IMO there is strong proof that KC was the last person with Caylee and was present when she died. There is also strong evidence that Caylee's body was in the trunk of Kc's car for a period of time and that KC then hid it where it was eventually found. She has also clearly lied to police and everyone else and has stolen from AH.

So do I think she is innocent of all the above? NO!
Do I think she bears no blame for Caylee's death? NO!
But she is charged with the premeditated and intentional murder of her child, and as yet the available evidence has not convinced me that she is guilty of that.

good post

if its not intentional, its an accident, no?

if its an accident, how in the world could she have carried on as she did after Caylee was no longer seen by anyone?

Could a mother, even a psychopath, witness her daughters death and then carry on as if the weight of the world had been lifted from her shoulders? (tattoo time, my daughter died accidentally so I'm gonna commemorate the event with a "The Good Life" tattoo?

IMO her entire behavior tells us that her daughters death was not only not a shock to her, but a good result for her life as she envisioned it.

the only way that is not the case, imo, is if she were actually crazy, which she obviously isn't.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Losing her child was horrible and even more so after the way she was found. Casey had to have a sedative when she was told about finding Caylee back in December. I know it has only been a few weeks but isn't she allowed to smile at her attorneys? Grab a pen and have a smirk on her face? Casey is tough IMO and has a tough exterior to hide behind.

This is yet another reason I believe her to be guilty. Back when all of the searches were going on there were many occasions that the server was down because they found "something" but couldn't tell us what, or if it was the baby. We all remember the fiasco with LP in the water. In all of those occasions, KC was said to have shrugged her shoulders or wasn't interested at all and just went back to her cell, but this time, days and days before we had DNA that it WAS Caylee, as soon as she heard where she had to be sedated. Now, if she wasn't guilty and really didn't know where her baby was, how did she know this was her but was unconcerned the other times? I for one would be losing it every time they found anything wanting to know if that was my precious baby...EVERYTIME, not just when they really found her. She knew the other times that it wasn't Caylee because she put her where she was found.

 

[CPP]

Sorry, I believe she is guilty and that the evidence will prove it.

 

[costalpilot]

EXACTLY!!!

My dog died suddenly in October right in my living room. I can tell you to this day how many days it has been since I have not had him in my life. I can tell you the exact time he took his last breath. I keep playing that half hour over and over again in my head.....even three and a half months later. This was my DOG....I could not imagine one of my children. THEN go out and party and shake my fanny and act like I do not have a care in the world. This woman is either guilty as h*ll, or has no soul....I am voting BOTH. How could you mistake the day you last seen your kid....oh was it June 9....or June 15th....on I do not know. It was sometime in June...that crazy Zanny took my baby. The Dingo ate my baby, that would of been more believeable. :furious:

There is NOTHING I can think of that makes her look not guilty. I am someone who tries to find the good in everybody and I just cannot find anything good about Casey Anthony.

I think the defense has nothing to go on and even Cindy and George said that when the truth comes out we will think Casey is mother of the year, we just have not heard everything....we DID see the tapes of their visits and I have not found one thing that Casey told them that makes me think she is not guilty, let alone MOTHER OF THE YEAR. Actually I have not seen one thing that makes me think she cares.

Bravo...how bout ' DAUGHTER OF THE YEAR'


guess not.

 

[JustanotherJane]

I believe she's guilty but I would listen to anything she had to say with an open mind. Oh, What's that? She's not talking?

Her silence is deafening.

 

[Pattymarie]

Boy, do I agree with you. Based on the evidence so far, it all points to Casey. I wonder if anyone in this family, by telling the real truth, would change the evidence?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Right, there is a lot to be learned by the duct tape.

If Casey is guilty of this crime then they will find it on the duct tape. She hasn't been proven to be too smart so far so I doubt she was smart enough to keep all prints and DNA off the tape.

There is going to be more besides the duct tape to tie this back to Casey, imo. Casey's shoes/boots, Casey's belt, Casey's car (soil samples, lint from laundry bag), possible prints/DNA on the toy horse (matching set at home), page matching the sticker (partial print on sticker perhaps), laundry bag and blanket could have Casey's hair, lint from her car, DNA, and dog hair. The vacuum cleaners used to clean the car should be very rich for evidence to tie to the dump site, too. AND there is nothing from a stranger on any of the above items...

The list of things to connect back to the A fam house, to the car, and to Casey goes on and on. (And these are only things we are aware of in SWs and doc dumps...so there is definitely more we are not privy to which they found!)

When the forensic evidence is laid out and the defense cannot find a way to explain them, to discredit them, or to get them kicked out plus the rest of the case put together with her actions, lies, and 31 Days...it is over.

 

[Kat]

I do not automatically assume people guilty just because they're arrested and the DA and and Nancy Grace say so-- look how the prosecutor and NG behaved over jumping to conclusions about the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players! And in Illinois we've seen a bunch of people actually on Death Row who were later PROVED innocent!
So I try to maintain a healthy skepticism over what is said in the media.

But in this case it is pretty hard to have any lingering doubts that Casey might be an innocent victim in this. It's the combination of the forensic evidence plus her behavior and lies plus the interviews of others. Baez says there is much more of the story we have not heard, and I look forward to hearing it but frankly I can imagine no combination of circumstances they have hinted at that would fit with both her innocence and the evidence we have seen so far under Florida's unusually open "Sunshine Laws" .

There ARE times when the family of a kidnap victim are afraid to call LE because of threats to the victim. There are times when someone tries to investigate on their own. But in those cases there would usually be some record of how the threats were made. Plus they would usually confide in someone about the horrible ordeal, for emotional support or to get help investigating ....and if they were investigating there would be some evidence that they WERE doing that as opposed to hanging out with a lover and partying. I think it would be quite unusual that none of their friends had observed any sign of worry or sorrow.
If someone temporarily took Caylee "to teach her a lesson" as she told Cindy, and she was not so worried because she believed she was going to be brought back by August, then when that didn't happen and time kept going by, why would she not then honestly cooperate with LE to track that person down?

BUT those scenarios (or others in which she gave the baby away to someone) don't explain why her car has elements of human decomp and a hair with a death band....and statements from her friends that she had said SHE left the car at Amscot, and that she had previously talked about a terrible smell in the car (are we to suppose 2 terrible smells? First "squirrels", then human decay?)

I believe she's guilty, but I don't know exactly what happened or how premeditated it was, and in playing devil's advocate with myself, I can still imagine a slight possibility of accident - especially if under circumstances of extreme neglect or abuse, such as leaving her locked in a hot car or a drug OD -- something Casey would have realized there was no way she would appear sympathetic if she told the truth.
I realize of course there are things that point toward premeditation, like the web searches and the duct tape. But she could have been fantasizing a few months earlier about killing Caylee or her parents and made those web searches, and still there could have been an accident. As for the duct tape, it seems to me there is a definite possible reason it could have been put on after death: to stop fluids draining from the mouth.

I am not saying I believe it was an accident, just that I can still see a possibility. I am just HOPING the tape was either put there after death or at least that poor Caylee was never concious of it -- it makes me sick to think how terrified she would have been for her mother to brutally grab her and tape her face like that -- or perhaps to have awoken from a chloroformed stupor and found herself locked in the trunk with tape over her mouth.
(was the tape over the nose as well as the mouth? In that case it's unlikely she would have awoken at all if she were knocked out when it was done)

When I've heard people express things like she should be guilty until proven innocence, I feel people are letting their hatred for Casey override an important principle. I see absolutely nothing wrong that the prosecution are the ones who must prove their case. That is one of the foundations of Anglo-American law. And if it sometimes results in the guilty getting off, that is terrible but I don't think it is so terrible as numbers of innocent people spending years behind bars, being marked for life by that conviction and imprisonment, or even being murdered by the state. Those who feel that more innocent people being locked up or executed is a fair trade off for making it easier to convict the guilty, must be unable to imagine themselves or their loved ones being in that position - -- but that's how some of the wrongly convicted have felt before it happened to them. I see no reason to lessen the safeguards and make people prove their innocence.

Thank you for sharing your well thought out post Ariane. Welcome to WS too. You eloquently said ~ what I kind of mumbled about in comparison in a post on this thread. Welcome and I look forward to reading your thoughts in the coming days on WS

 

[angeleleven]

This is yet another reason I believe her to be guilty. Back when all of the searches were going on there were many occasions that the server was down because they found "something" but couldn't tell us what, or if it was the baby. We all remember the fiasco with LP in the water. In all of those occasions, KC was said to have shrugged her shoulders or wasn't interested at all and just went back to her cell, but this time, days and days before we had DNA that it WAS Caylee, as soon as she heard where she had to be sedated. Now, if she wasn't guilty and really didn't know where her baby was, how did she know this was her but was unconcerned the other times? I for one would be losing it every time they found anything wanting to know if that was my precious baby...EVERYTIME, not just when they really found her. She knew the other times that it wasn't Caylee because she put her where she was found.

GOOD POINT!

And my answer to the thread...I believe she is guilty. IMO 100%

 

[Khaki_Pants]

I am going to touch on the grief that ppl have from the loss of a PET....

We lost our ten yr old family dog, who grew up with my kids, A little over a year ago. It was very emotional, her being sick around christmas, and then I had to bury her on New Year's Eve, (my birthday). That is no easy feat up in the winterous north. It was tragic to I entire family. We even buried her with her favorite things, and a few photos. We all cried as we took turns shoveling. We cried for weeks aftrer. Grief is not an easy thing to hide. It affects your entire being.

Well today, (don't make fun of me here! ) I lost one of my chickens. Now let me explain, these are my girls. we hang out in the summer, and I am constantly entertained by their antics. I even, hehe, make a band around each of their legs with different color nailpolish every couple weeks so I can tell them apart better! My point is, and I do have one, that if something as trivial as a hen can become an important part of my small live, It is inconceivable to me to see a Mother have NO emotional reaction to the loss of her child! I am very upset at the loss, even though *it's JUST a chicken!*

One more thing...I currently have a dog that is MIA! We are going nuts! We have called neighbors, the animal control agent, local buisnesses, gone for long walks around the town and through the woods, and are working on flyers. We are searching for any and all clues and are beside ourselves!

So, ya, the 31 day bit kinda did it for me, and it's only been reenforced 100x100 fold. I would like to be surprised and find out that there is another explanation that is going to be *unveiled*, but I just can't see it happening. I do think there is a lot more that was going on in KC's life that is going to be revealed, and I think it is shady. I believe that because she has 2 years that needs to be accounted for as far as hers and Caylee's whereabouts. There is the POSSIBILTY that she lied to everyone about her real job because she was really a mascot for the local stadium and had to wear a giant hotdog suit while selling refreshments to fans, and she couldn't bear the shame? It's POSSIBLE...But I don't think both her and Caylee would fit in the suit? ....hmmmmm

But even though there is the potential of shady dealings being exposed, I do not think they render all the other evidence moot.

K, I'll stop rambling now.
~Khaki

 

[anastacia129]

I have done extensive Reverse Speech analysis (do an internet search to learn more about RS) on Casey and others in the case. I have found approximately 48 speech reversals on Casey alone. My conclusion is there is more going on in this case than is known. Based upon some of Casey's speech reversal's I don't think your "hallucinations" as to what could have happened are that far fetched.

Casey's reverse speech analysis indicates she is scared to her core, and has referenced more than once "boy" and "boys" being involved. I believe she may also have revealed a name. She even indicated in a reversal if given a chance she would have shown her parents where Caylee was. If she killed her daughter, why would she want to reveal Caylee's location to them?

Based upon her reverse speech analysis, I believe there is a scenario where reasonable doubt could be found, and that others are involved.

Web Site Links:
Websleuths: Backward State Site
Backward State: Casey Anthony
You Tube: Watch the videos - Casey Anthony: "I'm Not The Despot", Casey Anthony: "Boys Did This"

If her regular speech pattern contains nothing but lies, I am willing to bet the reverse speech patterns are also "fabrications".

 

[costalpilot]

Looks to me, that there are people out there, who can make a case for doubt. I don't know if it is reasonable doubt, but doubt. So with that said, I hope to God there is a print or KC's hair stuck to that duct tape.

my bolding.

I haven't seen ONE PERSON even make a case for "doubt" and I'm reading the whole thread. I've seen people say they have doubt, but I've not seen one argument for it. Not even a transparent, ineffective one.


Making a case would be: I have doubt and here are the facts that cause me to be doubtful. Haven't seen it here.

edit: I just saw a post on p. 19 about"reverse speech analysis" that offers an argument. Not a good one, but its an argument.

 

[gitana1]

You are right. Nobody can understand that but again there has been no trial and the information that is being put out to the public is being done for a reason. No one really knows what will come out on the defense side that might turn this thing all upside down. Just my thoughts

OOPs! Had to edit!
It's a question of logic. Guilty people always have "secret" info that will come out at trial. But, there's never anything there. I'm thinking of SP's defense. We were promised all sorts of stuff pointing to his innocence, but nothing came out except that which pointed to his guilt.
Yes, the defense does not have to prove a thing. But, they have nothing, of that I'm sure and without anything, the prosecution will not have a difficult job of proving their case.
This game of "I have a secret" is nothing but annoying, makes JB look arrogant and childish and is insulting to our intelligence. IMO!

 

[Jersey*Girl]

There is going to be more besides the duct tape to tie this back to Casey, imo. Casey's shoes/boots, Casey's belt, Casey's car (soil samples, lint from laundry bag), possible prints/DNA on the toy horse (matching set at home), page matching the sticker (partial print on sticker perhaps), laundry bag and blanket could have Casey's hair, lint from her car, DNA, and dog hair. The vacuum cleaners used to clean the car should be very rich for evidence to tie to the dump site, too. AND there is nothing from a stranger on any of the above items...

The list of things to connect back to the A fam house, to the car, and to Casey goes on and on. (And these are only things we are aware of in SWs and doc dumps...so there is definitely more we are not privy to which they found!)

When the forensic evidence is laid out and the defense cannot find a way to explain them, to discredit them, or to get them kicked out plus the rest of the case put together with her actions, lies, and 31 Days...it is over.

and you can add a couple thousand sick personal pictures to that list too!

 

[gitana1]

Me too! I know I could be a juror in this trial. I love the process and find it very intriguing to analyse.

Lordy, I could not do it!

 

[anastacia129]

I believe that when she originally disposed of Caylee, the remains stunk. KC expected somebody else to find Caylee, while KC was "away" doing who knows what, and CA or LE would have to "break the news to her"---all those calls "Where is Caylee?" "Oh, she's at Disney World with Zanny."--"No, you'd better come home. We've found her body in the woods" "Oh No! It can't be! I just spoke to them yesterday and everything was fine!"--see where I'm going?? It never crossed her mind that cell records and pings would track her moves. She'd already been researching the sim card/lost numbers bit. She had it all worked out...but nobody found the baby....
She didn't call LE because the imaginary babysitter would vanish AFTER Caylee was found. Until then, everyone was on a happy vacatuion and the whole scene would come as a huge shock to KC. Friends would rally to support her, mom and dad would comfort her, just like in the movies...

Yes, but when they found her in the woods, her body would have been far more decomposed than 24 hrs, which is when kc said she last spoke to her.

 

[costalpilot]

No I do not. I actually expect him not to say anything at all, but since he has he has me very curious.

I can understand him saying his client will have her day in court but to come out and say with such an emphatic tone that she is innocent baffles me.

that tone is getting less emphatic every day, imo. He barely got it out last time I saw him say it. I don't believe he believes it in the least and I don't think he's smart enough to realize he would be better off just saying his client will have her day in court.

jmo.

 

[Foxxtrot]

After reading all these documents what do you think the defense will present at trial?

I know that you wished for anothers fingerprints on the tape but the Pros could explain that away as KC kept the tape from someone else. (ie Amy H)

If not a 'bombshell' what are you expecting? I am not being snarky, I would really like to know.

I have no idea what they will present. I can only guess that it will be the nanny theory. IMO Casey can still get away with the nanny theory if they do it right.

I don't wish for anothers finger prints to be on the tape, only that if there are other prints then IMO that if huge reasonable doubt.

If I understand you correctly you are saying that if there is another persons prints on the tape then the prosecution can say it is there because Casey stole the tape with the prints already on them. If that is right then I don't understand because you would have to intentionally peal the tape back put your prints on it and then lay the tape back down on the roll. Why would someone do that?

I'm expecting JB to come in with a defense that shows some logic.