Does the flu shot really work?

Did you get a flu shot this season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 408 56.7%
  • No, I don't think they work

    Votes: 143 19.9%
  • No, they are not safe

    Votes: 93 12.9%
  • No, I have a health issue that doesn't allow it

    Votes: 21 2.9%
  • Other: please explain

    Votes: 55 7.6%

  • Total voters
    720
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Miami (AFP) - This US winter season's flu vaccine has been just 23 percent effective at preventing doctor visits for people of all ages, according to health authorities' early estimates out Thursday.

Its lack of punch is being blamed on multiple strains of the H3N2 virus that are circulating and making people sick, but that were not included in this season's vaccine.

http://news.yahoo.com/flu-shot-just-23-percent-effective-us-180817997.html
 
Funny I should stumble into this question right after I read this article:

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cd...uenza-outbreak-on-fully-vaccinated-navy-ship/

I am a regular reader of a health newsletter that emphasizes nutritional supplements. It is written by a doctor who strongly suggests NOT taking the flu shot. His main reasons are that the flu shots contain small amounts of unwanted and potentially dangerous substances (mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde) and that they are not effective ENOUGH to warrant the risks posed by the unwanted substances the vaccine contains.

Oddly, he argues that the flu shots are least needed by young healthy people with strong immune systems and also least effective on some who need it most, the elderly, because the immune systems of the elderly are weaker and less responsive to the stimulation that the vaccine may offer. Then you have to factor in the hit-and-miss guesswork of the annual vaccine formulations that may or may not actually help protect against the strain of flu you are likely to encounter.

I stopped taking the annual vaccine at least 6 years ago while also improving my diet. Then I started adding vitamins and other nutritional supplements. I have not had any problems with the flu during this period. I have had several colds during this period, a couple of which were pretty strong ones that may or may not have been caused by the flu virus, but so far no full blown, knock-me-out cases of the flu. Knock on wood.

Interesting. I started taking a fair amount of nutritional supplements religiously, about 5 years ago. The center pont being a multivitamin and chelated mineral from USANA that a co-worker swore had stopped her Grandfathers cancer in it's tracks. While I don't believe that it will really hold off cancer (I think it was a conicidence, he was undergoing conventional treatment as well), I must say that I think it has made a difference in my health. However, I also religiously get the flu shot every year, generally in early Fall. \

In the last 5 years I had a stomach bug that had me vomiting constantly for about 24 hours, a little tired the next day and good to go on the third day. I also had one day where I just felt exhausted. Not just sleepy, but really unable to function. Putting on make up wore me out. I spent the better part ot the day in bed sleeping, got up around 4:00 P.M and was back to work and good to go the next day.

That is it. Not a single cold, not a single flu, really nothing else at all. I just turned 60 and work some pretty long hours, and while I am not at all overweight it is not because I eat a particularly well balanced diet, because I don't.

I can attribute the lack of flu to the shots, but not having had a single cold in over 5 years, I have to think is the supplements.
 
In Delaware, the influenza viruses are rampant. DH is a GP and has diagnosed 5 cases in the last week, including his partner. Tamiflu helps with the symptoms and is purported to reduce the iris by at least 1 day. There are a multitude of viruses being spread so please take good care.
 
.... plus stay away from people who have the flu ... I swear some folks seem to like coughing and spewing viruses
wherever they can .... they should at least partly quarantine themselves.

We dont catch the flu from any other source.

We need more enlightenment on HOW NOT TO SPREAD THE FLU

... instead of all the publicity and hype about vaccines

My thinking anyway.

best wishes

Seriously!!!

My 80+ year old mother refuses to get the flu shot. She firmly believes in natural immunity. She's never had the flu. She does however eat an immaculate diet free of hormones and chemicals that are difficult to pronounce.


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If someone sneezes directly into your mom's face (which happens), no diet would prevent her from getting ill. If she was already immune to the particular strain, then yes.

Glucose tablets work great on hypoglycemia! I keep a bottle in my bedroom, and one in my purse. They are $1.99 for a bottle. Please get you a bottle and keep it with you!

Thank you so much for this information. I have bad low blood sugar at times and never was told about glucose tablets.

Is it ok to tag a comment onto an old-ish thread? Newbie here. First post.

I don't get the flu shot. I got it once--about 10 years ago--and that was the only one I've ever had. Our family stays healthy in other ways: whole foods (cooking from actual food ingredients, from scratch--no convenience foods, including bread, unless it's an emergency or we're eating out, which is rare!), local raw honey, plenty of sunshine, plenty of sleep, lots of water, and chiropractic. We brush our teeth and see our dentist regularly (the mouth is the gateway of illness!), and we take vitamins as needed. We almost never use antibiotics, so our bodies are able to heal well on the rare occasions that we need them.

So...it's pretty easy for us to remain healthy.

Allergies are another story. We have lots of yellow pine pollen that flies through the air around here, and it causes some running of the nose and itching of the eyes--but no flu!

No amount of healthy eating can prevent a flu virus from infecting you if it comes into contact with your mucous membranes. Being fit may make you stronger to fight an illness or perhaps make you less susceptible to colds (which might take hold better if someone's defense are down) or may make the severity of the symptoms less. But athletes have been downed by the flu and young, perfectly healthy people in the prime of their lives have died from it.

Allergies are immune system disorders so healthy diet and lifestyle may not keeping you as free from risk as you may think.

I think those who avoid the flu may also be simply better at washing their hands and not touching their faces. I don't get sick that often but I'm extreme with hand washing and avoiding coughing people, etc. I will move in the theater if someone is sneezing or coughing behind me. I literally run from coughing or sneezing people in the market, etc. I had to take my mom to he ER on New Years day because she had a violent cold that was suddenly choking her and nothing was open. I asked for and wore a mask in the ER the whole time (hours) to avoid others infecting me.

So, I don't get sick too often.

But I have reason to be worried because I have asthma and a serious flu or even cold can kill me.

I can remember a few times having the classical flu. As a child (fever, exhaustion, chills, achy, sick as a dog) once and once severely as an adult during the raging epidemic of 96' or 97'. That last flu destroyed me. My whole family was bedridden for two weeks such that no one could take care of anyone else. It reminded me of the scene in the Little House in the Prairie book when the Ingalls family gets Malaria or Scarlet fever. It was intense.

I had fevers, incredible night sweats with water simply pouring out of the middle of my chest like a sieve, and I could not move for two weeks. I actually did not fully recover for several months - about 6 months or so. It took so long to get better I began to believe I had AIDS or cancer or a million other diseases I could come up with. Nope, just the flu.

I was young and didn;t think much about it happening again but I did then realize the flu could be much worse than you think.

In the last several years, I have been getting the flu shot pretty consistently because I'm not in my 20's anymore, I have asthma and I can't afford to miss work and I;m more paranoid now! Of course the flu shot works. Always? No. One young, healthy gal about to get married recently died a few days after getting a flu shot. The shot did not cover the strain she contracted, it appears, or it was too late to develop immunity. She developed sepsis went from healthy to dead within a couple of days of getting the flu. It was horrible.

Whether it works typically depends on the timing of the shot, what strain you are exposed to and whether it was covered in the vaccine that year (although a couple kids have died from the same strain the vaccine covered), but I will do whatever I can to lower my odds of getting it or getting it hard, because I don't want to die. Having asthma increases my risk.

I got sick twice, after flu shots. Once was just a 24 hour reaction- a bit achy, lethargic. Nothing major. It happened the day after the shot and it went away.

The second time I was sick for a few days - also lethargic and achy and slightly feverish, but nothing life-altering. I believe the first one was a reaction to the shot and the second one I may have been exposed to another strain of flu.

I have had no other reactions from any other vaccine and I've also now had the pneumonia shot, whooping cough, etc. Just an achy arm that isn't bad if I rub it and move it around a lot after the shot.

I think the risk of harm to anyone (except certain small kids) from most vaccines is miniscule and minor when compared to the risk of contracting the disease the vaccine is trying to prevent. So I try hard to increase my odds of staying healthy, in all ways, including vaccines.
 
Recent deaths:

1. Elementary aged child, October 2014, triangle area of North Carolina. http://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticl...ath-reported-in-nc-a-566393.html#.VMW8MyztvTo
2. Ayzlee McCarthy, 3, December 28, 2014, Iowa.http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../02/flu-deaths-iowa-young-girl-dies/21214315/
3. At least two other kids in Iowa last year. (See above link).
4. More than 100 kids last season, in the US, 90% who had not been vaccinated. http://www.today.com/parents/kids-who-died-flu-last-season-most-skipped-vaccine-1D80157067
5. A child in Milwaukee, January 2015: http://www.wisn.com/news/state-reports-pediatric-flu-death-in-milwaukee-county/30561970
6. Nine people in Travis County Texas, this flu season, including a child this month: http://kxan.com/2015/01/15/child-dies-from-flu-in-travis-county/
7. 15 month old Korbyn Michael Rigole, Bristol, TN, January 2015. http://www.wcyb.com/news/family-in-shock-after-child-dies-following-flu-diagnosis/30504354
8. A 2 year old boy in Ozaukee County, WI, December 25, 2014. http://fox6now.com/2015/01/14/child-from-ozaukee-county-has-died-from-the-flu/
9. A 12 year old girl from Milwaukee, New Years Day: (See link above).
10. Shannon Zwaninger, 17, December 9, 2015, Owatonna, Minnesota. http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/31/health/flu-epidemic/
11. A 4 year old boy, Port Isabel, TX. (See link above).
12. Mikey Guallpa, 6, Boone County, KY, December 20, 2014. http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/...-dies-days-after-flu-diagnosis-287349821.html
13. Emersyn "Emmy" Waddle, 5, Moore, OK, January 21, 2015. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/01/...s-after-being-diagnosed-with-flu-st/21134090/
14. 47 other deaths during the flu season as of January 23, 2015. (See link above).
15. A baby from Western NY, this month: http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=1151789#.VMXEICztvTo
16. A baby from Erie County, NY this month. http://www.buffalonews.com/city-reg...ounty-dies-from-complications-of-flu-20150120
17. 4 children in Clark County, NV: http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/27906527/4th-child-in-clark-co-dies-as-result-of-flu
18. 837 flu deaths nationwide as of the second to last week (51st week) in December, 2014. http://jacksonville.com/breaking-ne...c-florida-and-most-states-837-deaths-reported

You know, how many deaths did we have from Ebola in this country so far? And how many pages, how many threads were devoted to that disease? Just total panic and fright. 10 threads of about 45 pages each since October 2014. That'450 pages or so.

But this disease? About two and a third pages devoted to the flu epidemic this season.

I don't get it. This is serious. And even though the vaccine this year isn't that effective (only about 23% generally, only 12% or so for me), why aren't more people at least talking about it?

I note it seems that the Influenza type A strain is the deadliest. One moment healthy, the next feeling ill, a couple days later, just sick as a dog and then bam - dead.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I was told by a friend that in the NE, particularly NYC, people wear these badges showing if they are vaccinated or not, and that if you're not, its not looked upon favorable by others. Jmo
 
Recent deaths:

1. Elementary aged child, October 2014, triangle area of North Carolina. http://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticl...ath-reported-in-nc-a-566393.html#.VMW8MyztvTo
2. Ayzlee McCarthy, 3, December 28, 2014, Iowa.http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st.../02/flu-deaths-iowa-young-girl-dies/21214315/
3. At least two other kids in Iowa last year. (See above link).
4. More than 100 kids last season, in the US, 90% who had not been vaccinated. http://www.today.com/parents/kids-who-died-flu-last-season-most-skipped-vaccine-1D80157067
5. A child in Milwaukee, January 2015: http://www.wisn.com/news/state-reports-pediatric-flu-death-in-milwaukee-county/30561970
6. Nine people in Travis County Texas, this flu season, including a child this month: http://kxan.com/2015/01/15/child-dies-from-flu-in-travis-county/
7. 15 month old Korbyn Michael Rigole, Bristol, TN, January 2015. http://www.wcyb.com/news/family-in-shock-after-child-dies-following-flu-diagnosis/30504354
8. A 2 year old boy in Ozaukee County, WI, December 25, 2014. http://fox6now.com/2015/01/14/child-from-ozaukee-county-has-died-from-the-flu/
9. A 12 year old girl from Milwaukee, New Years Day: (See link above).
10. Shannon Zwaninger, 17, December 9, 2015, Owatonna, Minnesota. http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/31/health/flu-epidemic/
11. A 4 year old boy, Port Isabel, TX. (See link above).
12. Mikey Guallpa, 6, Boone County, KY, December 20, 2014. http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/...-dies-days-after-flu-diagnosis-287349821.html
13. Emersyn "Emmy" Waddle, 5, Moore, OK, January 21, 2015. http://www.aol.com/article/2015/01/...s-after-being-diagnosed-with-flu-st/21134090/
14. 47 other deaths during the flu season as of January 23, 2015. (See link above).
15. A baby from Western NY, this month: http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=1151789#.VMXEICztvTo
16. A baby from Erie County, NY this month. http://www.buffalonews.com/city-reg...ounty-dies-from-complications-of-flu-20150120
17. 4 children in Clark County, NV: http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/27906527/4th-child-in-clark-co-dies-as-result-of-flu
18. 837 flu deaths nationwide as of the second to last week (51st week) in December, 2014. http://jacksonville.com/breaking-ne...c-florida-and-most-states-837-deaths-reported

You know, how many deaths did we have from Ebola in this country so far? And how many pages, how many threads were devoted to that disease? Just total panic and fright. 10 threads of about 45 pages each since October 2014. That'450 pages or so.

But this disease? About two and a third pages devoted to the flu epidemic this season.

I don't get it. This is serious. And even though the vaccine this year isn't that effective (only about 23% generally, only 12% or so for me), why aren't more people at least talking about it?

I note it seems that the Influenza type A strain is the deadliest. One moment healthy, the next feeling ill, a couple days later, just sick as a dog and then bam - dead.

[h=1]Napa flu death is 5th in Bay Area[/h]
By Stephanie Lee
[h=5]Published 5:49 pm, Saturday, January 24, 2015[/h]http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Napa-flu-death-is-5th-in-Bay-Area-6038265.php
 
Funny I should stumble into this question right after I read this article:

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cd...uenza-outbreak-on-fully-vaccinated-navy-ship/

I am a regular reader of a health newsletter that emphasizes nutritional supplements. It is written by a doctor who strongly suggests NOT taking the flu shot. His main reasons are that the flu shots contain small amounts of unwanted and potentially dangerous substances (mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde) and that are not effective ENOUGH to warrant the risks posed by the unwanted substances the vaccine contains.

Oddly, he argues that the flu shots are least needed by young healthy people with strong immune systems and also least effective on some who need it most, the elderly, because the immune systems of the elderly are weaker and less responsive to the stimulation that the vaccine may offer. Then you have to factor in the hit-and-miss guesswork of the annual vaccine formulations that may or may not actually help protect against the strain of flu you are likely to encounter.

I stopped taking the annual vaccine at least 6 years ago while also improving my diet. Then I started adding vitamins and other nutritional supplements. I have not had any problems with the flu during this period. I have had several colds during this period, a couple of which were pretty strong ones that may or may not have been caused by the flu virus, but so far no full blown, knock-me-out cases of the flu. Knock on wood.

BBM

I wonder if he or one of his family members were one of the hundreds that die every year from the flu, if the vaccine would then worthy of the so called unknown risks. Much less the hundreds of thousands hospitalized from severe flu complications. But how many suffer from these "risks" from the vaccine? Not even close to the number that die from influenza.


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I didn't save the notes , but the other day I came across a medical study that said...

--Out of 100 people in the USA 4 will get the flu if they were not vaccinated

--Out of 100 people who were vaccinated only 1 will get the flu

They then used those figures to state a person has a 75% more of chance to get the flu if they are not vaccinated ... sounds scary at first glance , it is technically true , but it is also a play on numbers.

I look at it a different way .... to vaccinate 100 people in order to prevent flu in only 3 people sounds like a big campaign which produces miniscule results

And to look at it in the truest sense 96% of the people were never ever going to get the flu in the first place

Yet I suppose if I got one of those nasty strains of flu I would regret not getting the shot

Link please. This is absolutely false. Heard of the 1918 flu pandemic when 5% of the worlds population died? Hundreds of millions were infected. These stats are BS.


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BBM

I wonder if he or one of his family members were one of the hundreds that die every year from the flu, if the vaccine would then worthy of the so called unknown risks. Much less the hundreds of thousands hospitalized from severe flu complications. But how many suffer from these "risks" from the vaccine? Not even close to the number that die from influenza.

315,000,000 is the population of the USA

200,000 are hospitalized (flu)

3000 - 40,000 die (flu) (mostly elderly)

Any way you calculate it , the flu only affects a small percentage of the population
 
Link please. This is absolutely false. Heard of the 1918 flu pandemic when 5% of the worlds population died? Hundreds of millions were infected. These stats are BS.


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I read a fascinating book about this called the Great Influenza. Scared the you know what out of me. 20 to 40% of the world's population became ill. 50 million people died.

The book explained that more people died from Influenza in 24 months than AIDS did in 24 years. It killed more people in a year than the Black Death did in 100. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/great-influenza-john-barry/1100549921?ean=9780143036494

It's weird to me what we choose to panic about and what we don't. Ebola? Hantavirus? SARS? Americans go insane with fear and paranoia. But the flu? Nah. Even though 5 to 20% of Americans get it per year, as opposed to no percent of these other diseases we freak about, people act like that doesn't matter.

It's illogical to me.

As to all these dangerous chemicals, they are contained in vaccines in trace amounts that don't come close to the exposure we get from common household itmes or from antibiotics, etc., that accumulate over a lifetime.

The arguments that, for example, "they're killing us with formaldehyde", are silly and would be similar to stating that we are being destroyed by soap because it contains lye and lye which is a caustic, corrosive chemical that can burn through skin!

Well yeah, lye is caustic. But not in small amounts. And yeah, formaldehyde is dangerous. But we are exposed to vastly more in one sitting from things like paint and fingernail polish than we are exposed to via vaccines over a lifetime. So this is just silly.

And listen. I am not actually dismissive or scornful of "anti-vaxxers". I am not dismissing "antivaxxer" positions. Frankly, I myself actually have real concerns about the possibility that constantly causing immune system reactions in certain, susceptible small children with young immune systems and developing brains, may be problematic. When media reports repeat over and over again that it has been disproved absolutely that MMR, for example, is linked to autism, I don't know that that is quite true. It has been irrevocably proven that thimerosal/mercury in the vaccine cannot cause autism, but I've read other reports about different connections and have not convinced me.

I also think that the medical establishment can go overboard with things to bad effect (remember the catastrophic over-prescribing of antibiotics?), or just get things horribly wrong until new science shows how wrong they were (the miasma over the germ theory of illness, lobotomies, prescribing downers to people with depression, thalidomide, anesthesia-free surgeries on infants because they feel no pain, etc.).

So I am not 100% pro-anything the medical establishment tells us is good, even vaccines. I just think we need to use common sense in our country.

Vaccines do work. They lessen the instances of death and debilitation greatly. Measles used to kill 2.6 million per year, globally. That's a holocaust. But vaccines reduced global measles deaths by 75%, which would be more if poor, third world areas that do not have access to the vaccine, could use it.

So we need to be rational. And at least talk about it the flu and vaccines. And logically weigh the risks against potential benefits of the flu vaccine.

I just don't understand why there is so much hysteria about diseases that are mathematically insignificant while there are almost frantic efforts to prove that an illness such as the flu is not much of a danger at all and that vaccines are not worth the risk. The difference in reaction makes no sense.
 
315,000,000 is the population of the USA

200,000 are hospitalized (flu)

3000 - 40,000 die (flu) (mostly elderly)

Any way you calculate it , the flu only affects a small percentage of the population

When you add in how many people lose money and how many businesses lose revenue as a result of this illness, I don;t think you can say that. 5 to 20% of our population catches the flu each year. That's huge. That's up to 63 million people each year!

No way is that insignificant. If I had those odds of winning the lottery, for example, man would I be playing!!!

It sucks to be sick. It's horrible. So for those who fall ill and do not die or go to the hospital, it is still a very negative complication in their lives. Loss of work. Loss of money. Having to find babysitters. Feeling awful. Etc.

I don;t think it's useless to reduce the risk of getting that.
 
(Latest article)

TORONTO - This year's flu vaccine offers little or no protection in Canada against becoming sick enough to require medical care, a study published Thursday suggests

So probably the most important message to get out now is for high-risk individuals not to count on vaccine to have protected them this season," she said, noting those steps include avoiding people who are ill


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ar...tudy--290225681.html?cx_navSource=d-more-news
 
I absolutely believe the flu shot works! College age son came down with influenza Christmas Eve. Luckily it was between semesters and he was home with us - we took him to the doctor/urgent care three times in one week. He tested positive for influenza, was put on Tamiflu and within three days had pneumonia as a complication of influenza. Temperature was over 101 for five days, soared to 103.8. He was frighteningly ill. Neither my husband or I caught the flu from him even though we were monitoring and caring for him that entire week. All three of us had flu shots at different times and different pharmacies - but my son later told me the nurse administered his incorrectly and some of the vaccine leaked onto his arm rather than being injected. So he obviously did not have the benefit of a full dose.

Is there a moral to this story? Yes - for what it is worth I, personally, highly recommend flu shots!
 
We all had the flu shot and my daughter came down with the flu (got the shot in september, she got the flu last week) and it only lasted 3 days but she was sick as a dog for 1.5 of those. I believe it would have beem much worse if she hadnt had the shot. None of the rest of us got it from her.
 
Today in the Dutch news:

De Telegraaf reports:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/article23654090.ece

Translation

This year, the flu shot barely works. A major part of the nearly three million Dutch people who have received the vaccine has at most 10 to 20 percent protection against circulating influenza virus.

Hundreds of thousands with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer or lung diseases, especially the elderly, now face additional health risks. This, while the flu injection should have given them protection.

Virologists admit the dramatically poor effectiveness of the flu vaccine this year. RIVM virologist Dr. Adam Meijer calls the situation alarming. Prof. dr. Ab Osterhaus of the University of Utrecht calls the vaccine a mismatch. "The protection should have to be at least 70 to 80 percent."

BBM


:gaah:


I've been on the fluy shot for some years now, after the flu hit my lungs and I got no air.
GP advised me to get the shot and to use an inhaler twice every day of the year.
I'd like to think that I have double protection :)
Still, for what it is worth statistically, many people that i know report that they are not feeling well.
Like you don't have the flu but you do not not have the flu either.

I hope they'll do better with predicting the flu for the shot of the coming year.
 
Of those stats listed in numerous posts above, I'd be interested to know how many of those people were otherwise perfectly healthy. Meaning, no auto-immune diseases, no prior sicknesses going on at the same time, etc etc.
 
More results in:

This year's flu vaccine offered little or no protection in Canada: study

TORONTO - This year's flu vaccine offers little or no protection in Canada against becoming sick enough to require medical care, a study published Thursday suggests.

The research, based on data from British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, found the vaccine offers most people virtually no protection against the strain that's causing the lion's share of the illness this year, H3N2.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ar...--290225681.html?cx_navSource=d-popular-views
 
315,000,000 is the population of the USA

200,000 are hospitalized (flu)

3000 - 40,000 die (flu) (mostly elderly)

Any way you calculate it , the flu only affects a small percentage of the population

As Gitana said, transfer those stats to ebola, then look at the hysteria and panic that ensued. It was ridiculous.

Of course the flu shot works. It's science.

I find it so interesting and tragic that diseases like whooping cough and measles are becoming more prevalent because of how uneducated people are with regards to vaccinations and disease. How can we, as a society, turn this stupid trend around? And I'm not just speaking about the US, it is happening here in Australia too.
 

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