Does this make sense?

[Seeker]

ellen13,

Yes, I do have a theory on the use of the paintbrush handle and the cords tied to it. However, it's sort of on the extreme side of possible theories on how the paintbrush handle may have been employed. But here goes:

The missing tip (one or two inches long) of the paintbrush handle could have been whittled into the shape of the head of a penis. During the post-murder staging, the goal appears to have been to hide and eliminate all sexual aspects of the crime (the wiping down of the body, the changing of the panties, etc) to direct suspicion away from house members. Therefore, the obscene carving on the end of the stick had to be removed, and was, presumably by whittling it off. The shards of it would be the shards found on the basement floor near the wine cellar door.

I believe JonBenet could have been strung up into an obscene sexual position and displayed by the perp using the nylon cords to help keep her in place. If you measure the distance between the ligature around JonBenet's neck to her crotch it is about 17 inches. The tail end of the ligature cord with the stick tied onto it also measures 17 inches. In this theory the perp posed JonBenet in a semi-fetal position with the stick in the vagina and the cord taut between the ligature around the neck and the stick in the vagina.

Also, it is likely the ligature around JonBenet's wrists and the ligature around her neck was one continuous length of cord, thus allowing her to be propped up and posed. When John found her (probably some time around 3 or 4 AM) he cut her down creating two separate lengths of cord (one around the wrists and one around the neck). This is why there is a frayed end on each of the two cords.

BlueCrab

I believe the liver mortis would show this to be an improbable scenario.

If John was up at 3 or 4 am to cut her down why not dispose of the body at that time out in the woods somewhere. It's not like Boulder is that large of a town and he could even have walked to a nearby dumpster and dropped her in (depending on when the light dusting of snow fell he could have quietly done either of these things). I believe there was a dumpster at the church less than 3 blocks away...

 

[UKGuy]

ellen13,

Yes, I do have a theory on the use of the paintbrush handle and the cords tied to it. However, it's sort of on the extreme side of possible theories on how the paintbrush handle may have been employed. But here goes:

The missing tip (one or two inches long) of the paintbrush handle could have been whittled into the shape of the head of a penis. During the post-murder staging, the goal appears to have been to hide and eliminate all sexual aspects of the crime (the wiping down of the body, the changing of the panties, etc) to direct suspicion away from house members. Therefore, the obscene carving on the end of the stick had to be removed, and was, presumably by whittling it off. The shards of it would be the shards found on the basement floor near the wine cellar door.

I believe JonBenet could have been strung up into an obscene sexual position and displayed by the perp using the nylon cords to help keep her in place. If you measure the distance between the ligature around JonBenet's neck to her crotch it is about 17 inches. The tail end of the ligature cord with the stick tied onto it also measures 17 inches. In this theory the perp posed JonBenet in a semi-fetal position with the stick in the vagina and the cord taut between the ligature around the neck and the stick in the vagina.

Also, it is likely the ligature around JonBenet's wrists and the ligature around her neck was one continuous length of cord, thus allowing her to be propped up and posed. When John found her (probably some time around 3 or 4 AM) he cut her down creating two separate lengths of cord (one around the wrists and one around the neck). This is why there is a frayed end on each of the two cords.

BlueCrab

BlueCrab:

The missing tip (one or two inches long) of the paintbrush handle could have been whittled into the shape of the head of a penis.

Just what purpose would that serve? Is this another item the experienced pedophile forgot to bring along, so resorted to crafting one at the crime-scene? Or are you indirectly suggesting the perpetrator may have been a female, and found it neccessary to construct a wooden phallus?

If

the goal appears to have been to hide and eliminate all sexual aspects of the crime

Why was the EA Device left for all to see, yet the remaining cord and any excess tape, along with her underwear removed?

The blood on her size-12 underwear, and her internal injuries make it inevitable that the police will consider the possiblility that her death was sexually motivated?

So where is the percentage in removing the carved phallus, yet leaving the EA Device and her blood stained injuries. Why not as Seeker suggested remove the body from the crime-scene altogether, then any sexual motivation can probably never be discovered?


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[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab:



Just what purpose would that serve? Is this another item the experienced pedophile forgot to bring along, so resorted to crafting one at the crime-scene? Or are you indirectly suggesting the perpetrator may have been a female, and found it neccessary to construct a wooden phallus?

If


Why was the EA Device left for all to see, yet the remaining cord and any excess tape, along with her underwear removed?

The blood on her size-12 underwear, and her internal injuries make it inevitable that the police will consider the possiblility that her death was sexually motivated?

So where is the percentage in removing the carved phallus, yet leaving the EA Device and her blood stained injuries. Why not as Seeker suggested remove the body from the crime-scene altogether, then any sexual motivation can probably never be discovered?


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UKGuy,

IMO the EA device was constructed by children about two days before the murder -- around the 23rd. If the end of the wooden handle was whittled into a phallus, it was not done Christmas night because of the time restraints.

The EA device was likely left imbedded in JonBenet's neck because it looked like an elaborate garrote and was a part of the shock the perp appears to have wanted to create. The marks left on the neck after the EA device was removed would obviously be from a 1/4" wide cord and the cops would be searching for the cord anyway. The killer knew the cord couldn't be traced to a Ramsey. I think the perp also likely posed JonBenet obscenely, and the cord and stick were a necessary part of the posing.

The blood on the underwear was postmortem seepage after she had been wiped down and changed into clean underwear (the size 12/14's) in an effort to hide all sexual aspects of the crime. The killer obviously wasn't aware of the seepage. I doubt if the perp was even aware of autopsies.

The body wasn't removed from the house because Mother Nature intervened and put down an unexpected dusting of snow that would have left the killer's footprints from the house AND BACK AGAIN. The perp was trapped in his own house with a body and a ransom note that now didn't make any sense. Mother Nature made sure the snow didn't melt before the cops got there by bizarrely dropping the temperature to below 10 degrees that night.

BlueCrab

 

[capps]

So how did the possible fifth person leave with all the incriminating evidence .... bicycle?

 

[Voice of Reason]

Just what purpose would that serve? Is this another item the experienced pedophile forgot to bring along, so resorted to crafting one at the crime-scene?

That made me laugh...

 

[Voice of Reason]

The EA device was likely left imbedded in JonBenet's neck because it looked like an elaborate garrote and was a part of the shock the perp appears to have wanted to create.

I thought that your theory revolved around accidental strangulation through EA? This sounds like you're suggesting a more deviant, premeditated situation. I don't know...sometimes your theory makes a lot of sense, but other times I have a hard time accepting it (e.g., carving a wooden penis, a massive coverup involving the entire colorado court system)

 

[ellen13]

I don't think John could have brought himself to dump her body anywhere.

 

[BlueCrab]

I thought that your theory revolved around accidental strangulation through EA? This sounds like you're suggesting a more deviant, premeditated situation. I don't know...sometimes your theory makes a lot of sense, but other times I have a hard time accepting it (e.g., carving a wooden penis, a massive coverup involving the entire colorado court system)

VOR,

Yes, the killing was more than likely accidental, but with a grisly coverup to make it appear a family member didn't do it. It's only one theory from among dozens of theories that tries to explain the strange evidence. For instance, why would the perp whittle off the end of the wooden stick? The logical explanation is he was trying to hide something. It's a bizarre piece of evidence that requires a bizarre explanation. It can't be explained by ignoring it.

BlueCrab

 

[BlueCrab]

I don't think John could have brought himself to dump her body anywhere.

ellen13,

I don't think neither John nor Patsy would have considered dumping JonBenet's body. But male children might have considered it.

BlueCrab

 

[rashomon]

UKGuy,

IMO the EA device was constructed by children about two days before the murder -- around the 23rd. If the end of the wooden handle was whittled into a phallus, it was not done Christmas night because of the time restraints.
BlueCrab

So you seriously believe that children constructed an erotic asphyxiation device and whittled the tip of the paintbrush handle into the head of a penis???

 

[Wuschel]

So you seriously believe that children constructed an erotic asphyxiation device and whittled the tip of the paintbrush handle into the head of a penis???

My opinion, rashomon.

I don't think that small children have the sexual background to know what erotic asphyxiation is. The paintbrush theory (whittling it) sounds even more far fetched.

Besides, isn't erotic asphyxiation about a person choking themselves to enhance their own sexual pleasure? In this case, poor JB was strangled and I doubt that she had any sexual intentions, bless her.

I hate to write these things, just thinking of that little girl in connection with erotic games makes me ill.

Wuschel

 

[Seeker]

BlueCrab, in the autopsy report Dr Meyer states, "this wooden stick is irregularly broken at both ends", he does not say it was whittled. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet3.html
How long do you think that paintbrush was before it was broken at both ends? I estimate it was probably no longer than 7-8" and that most of what was broken off was the side that held the brush as the word Korea was able to be seen clearly. The words Made In Korea would have begun near to the brush I think as all the paintbrushes I have also start with the wording from the brush end up towards the top of the handle. Not downward from the top towards the brush end. They never found the brush end either did they?

Plus the way the knot was tied there would be no way for them to use it in any EA game. The cord would have to have been twisted on by the handle, yet there is no indication that it was. Unless the cord was tied into the knot after JonBenet was strangled with it.

Also if you believe that Mother Nature intervened to keep anyone from leaving the house then that also blows your scenario about there being another boy there that night. No footprints remember?

 

[Seeker]

I don't think John could have brought himself to dump her body anywhere.

Why not? He carried her up from the basement away from his body like a plank of wood, laid her down on the living room floor next to the x-mas tree and then he and Patsy left the house never to return....

I'd think that if he could treat her body like that and just abandon her in that way, then he surely could have abandoned it somewhere else to take the heat off of the family.

 

[ellen13]

I certainly believe that BR was sexually inappropriate with Jon Benet, and possible had been for an amount of time. I still can't grasp that Burke did the erotic asphyxiation thing. Perhaps an older friend of Burke's could have, a friend of JAR, or John and Patsy staged it. I don't think I will ever believe that BR had
grasp on EA. I mean, I didn't learn about EA until I was an adult. There's got to be something more to JAR's semen on that blanket in the suitcase. I would love to know how fresh it was. I mean, did he do that when he was there on the 23rd, or did he do that 5 years prior. Do we know if they can tell how old a sample is.

 

[Voice of Reason]

VOR,

Yes, the killing was more than likely accidental, but with a grisly coverup to make it appear a family member didn't do it. It's only one theory from among dozens of theories that tries to explain the strange evidence. For instance, why would the perp whittle off the end of the wooden stick? The logical explanation is he was trying to hide something. It's a bizarre piece of evidence that requires a bizarre explanation. It can't be explained by ignoring it.

BlueCrab

You said that they left the EA devive "imbedded" in JBR's neck. How do you accidentally "imbed" it in the first place?

Also, the paintbrush isn't all that bizarre of a piece of evidence. It was near where the murder took place and was used to both sexually assault JBR and as a part of the garrotte. Then, part of it disappeared, probably to hide DNA evidence. Of all the bizarre pieces of evidence out there (3 page ransom note, body left inside the house, stun gun(?) marks, etc.), this one seems fairly simple to explain.

 

[rashomon]

Originally Posted by ellen13
I don't think John could have brought himself to dump her body anywhere.

[seeker] Why not? He carried her up from the basement away from his body like a plank of wood, laid her down on the living room floor next to the x-mas tree and then he and Patsy left the house never to return....

I'd think that if he could treat her body like that and just abandon her in that way, then he surely could have abandoned it somewhere else to take the heat off of the family.

Very good point, seeker!
They left their dead child lying there and just walked away. This is highly unusual (and imo incriminating) behavior because normally parents struck by such a tragedy resist leaving the body of their child.

 

[tipper]

Very good point, seeker!
They left their dead child lying there and just walked away. This is highly unusual (and imo incriminating) behavior because normally parents struck by such a tragedy resist leaving the body of their child.

Dorthy Moxley stayed in her chair the whole time. She didn't resist having Martha's body be taken away.

The Ramseys were told they had to leave.

 

[narlacat]

Yeah well, I've heard all about Patsy's performance that day when JonBenet's body was found, speeches...throwing herself on JonBenet's body....hysterics, but I've yet to read one story about Patsy having to be dragged away from her daughter's body later on that day. No wailing, no dramatics, no performance....nothing.
The Ramsey's just got up....and walked out. Just like that.
Bet they didnt even look back.

 

[Seeker]

Dorthy Moxley stayed in her chair the whole time. She didn't resist having Martha's body be taken away.

The Ramseys were told they had to leave.

But Martha's body was not found in the home by her parent either and she was NOT only 6 years old....

Dorothy never even saw Martha's body until much later. You can't compare the actions of a parent who never even saw their dead childs body to one who not only did, but handled it as well then disgarded it like it was trash to be left lying around until someone else cleaned it up for them.

The Ramseys were not forced out of their home, nor were they ever blocked from re-entering it.

 

[Nehemiah]

BlueCrab, in the autopsy report Dr Meyer states, "this wooden stick is irregularly broken at both ends", he does not say it was whittled. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jonbenet3.html
How long do you think that paintbrush was before it was broken at both ends? I estimate it was probably no longer than 7-8" and that most of what was broken off was the side that held the brush as the word Korea was able to be seen clearly. The words Made In Korea would have begun near to the brush I think as all the paintbrushes I have also start with the wording from the brush end up towards the top of the handle. Not downward from the top towards the brush end. They never found the brush end either did they?

This was posted last February:

The opposite end of the paint brush handle is missing and appears to have been completely whittled off. It was just the tip. It would have been close to impossible to have manually broken such a short piece off the handle without a vise and pliars -- it had to have been whittled off with a sharp knife. But WHY?

The shards from the whittling were on the floor just outside of the wine cellar door. The handle appears to be about 1/2" to 5/8" in diameter, when compared to the white cord, which we know is 1/4" wide. The whittling off of such a short piece of the handle obviously wasn't necessary to the design of the ligature handle. The whittling seemed instead to be motivated by a desire to destroy possible evidence on the tip of the handle. But what evidence?