Does this make sense?

[BlueCrab]

Do we know if the missing bit is the bit which was used to assault JBR?

If so, I would imagine it was disposed of with the cord and tape in case it had forensic evidence which could identify the killer.

Jayelles,

But if the tip of the paintbrush handle had forensic evidence on it, and the remains of the tip are the wooden shards found on the basement floor, then the forensic evidence would still be on the shards. I wonder if the wooden shards are the source of DNA-X?

BlueCrab

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles,

But if the tip of the paintbrush handle had forensic evidence on it, and the remains of the tip are the wooden shards found on the basement floor, then the forensic evidence would still be on the shards. I wonder if the wooden shards are the source of DNA-X?

BlueCrab

I doubt it - because you have the wood in one hand, the knife in the other and you don't necessarily touch the end the shards are from.

Someone suggested a rouce for DNA-x recently and I thought it was a good suggestion. I wish I could remember what it was!

 

[ellen13]

According to who? His parents?

Anyway...S.P. wasn't a sadistic sexual predator either...psychopath, yes. Sex offender..nope.

Violent sexual deviance isn't something that goes away. It tends to escalate

I never thought SP was a sex offender, neither do I think Burke is. I never thought Burke did the whole EA thing either. However, I do think Burke and SP
were interested (SP with his and affairs) and yes, I do believe Burke
molested jon benet, even if it was just out of a curiosity-not uncommon for some children, considering there difference in age. He was not even a teen.

 

[BlueCrab]

I doubt it - because you have the wood in one hand, the knife in the other and you don't necessarily touch the end the shards are from.

Someone suggested a rouce for DNA-x recently and I thought it was a good suggestion. I wish I could remember what it was!

Jayelles,

The source of DNA-X could have been from saliva and would have still been on the shards whittled from the end of the stick.

 

[Voice of Reason]

The tip of the handle is missing and there were wooden shards from the handle on the basement floor.

BlueCrab,

Please don't just make stuff up. True, there were wooden shavings on the floor. However, noone (except you) has ever identified them as "wooden shards from the handle" of the paintbrush. This is how bad rumors get started. Not everyone on this board knows all the facts, and when you make statements like that, they think they are facts.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab,

Please don't just make stuff up. True, there were wooden shavings on the floor. However, noone (except you) has ever identified them as "wooden shards from the handle" of the paintbrush. This is how bad rumors get started. Not everyone on this board knows all the facts, and when you make statements like that, they think they are facts.

VOR,

That's true; I should have inserted the word "likely" somewhere in that sentence. However, sometimes a conclusion can be reasonably assumed. For instance, if there's a knife; and there's a wooden stick that has been whittled upon; and there's a pile of wooden shards; then a reasonable conclusion is that the shards came from the wooden stick.

 

[tipper]

I thought the shards were by the paint tray and DNA-X was found in the wine-cellar.

 

[Voice of Reason]

VOR,

That's true; I should have inserted the word "likely" somewhere in that sentence. However, sometimes a conclusion can be reasonably assumed. For instance, if there's a knife; and there's a wooden stick that has been whittled upon; and there's a pile of wooden shards; then a reasonable conclusion is that the shards came from the wooden stick.

I disagree. Burke was known for whittling wood and leaving the shavings around the house. This is why his knife was hidden for a while. Given these facts, I would think that finding shavings on the ground points to no piece of wood in particular. If he was not known for whittling wood, and these shavings were found in the basement, then I would agree with you.

 

[rashomon]

rashomon,

Please don't lock me in. It's a THEORY that tries to explain the physical evidence (the contraption wrapped around JonBenet's neck). I have no set theory. But to answer your question, YES, children could have constructed the EA device -- with the previous tutoring of an older teen. EA devices are usually the product of males in their teens or early twenties, and there are several likely tutor suspects in this case I could point a finger at.

The EA device on JonBenet obviously didn't work as the slip knot on the ligature likely tightened up but then didn't loosen when it was supposed to and JonBenet was accidentally asphyxiated. Almost all EA and AEA devices have safety mechanisms designed into them -- to timely release the ligature and guard against accidental hangings. The poor design of the EA device suggests the builder(s) didn't know for sure how to construct it -- especially the safety mechanism.

So far as to why the tip of the paint brush handle is missing, how about YOU or someone else stepping up to the plate and providing a theory on why it's missing. Making believe the mysterious missing tip evidence doesn't exist will not advance the understanding of the case.

BlueCrab

The first time I ever heard about erotic asphyxiation was some years ago when Michael Hutchence (sp?) a British rock musician, was found hanged in his hotel room and the forensic evidence indicated that he had engaged in EA (in that case auto-erotic asphyxiation).

Now what bothers me in tying AE to John Benet is:
AE is practiced to enhance sexual pleasure in the person who is being asphyxiated. (anyone correct me if I'm wrong).

Therefore, as far as I understand it, EA can't be forced on a victim.
Simple as that. If it is forced on a victim, it can't be called EA anymore.

Of course people can experiment with bonding scenarios etc, but again this has NOTHING to do with AE.
And of course there are sexually deviant killers who strangle or garotte their victims to get themselves sexually aroused, but this too has NOTHING to do with AE, it is something completely different.

So an EA scenario would imply that JB willingly consented to being erotically asphyxiated in order to enhance her sexual pleasure. A six-year-old!!


And in terms of the missing paint brush tip: How big was that paint brush tip? Maybe the whole paint brush tip simply came apart as that handle was broken (how old was the paintbrush? Maybe already brittle?). A rough cleaning of the crime scene could have been done, splinters or pieces of wood collected and easily have been flushed down the toilet.
Or this could have been a paintbrush from which the handle had already broken off a long time before. There are many possible scenarios.

Jmo, but far more interesting than the missing paint brush tip are the fibers from Patsy's read jacket found in the paint tray.

 

[narlacat]

QUOTE>>The first time I ever heard about erotic asphyxiation was some years ago when Michael Hutchence (sp?) a British rock musician, was found hanged in his hotel room and the forensic evidence indicated that he had engaged in EA (in that case auto-erotic asphyxiation).<<

Just for the record Michael Hutchence was an Australian. He went out with Paula Yates who was British.
His family was mortally embarrassed and refused to believe what had happened to him. They would rather have the public believe he had problems that resulted in his suicide, than what actually happened.
Paula and Michael were into all sorts of things that were not very wholesome and as a result both are dead.

 

[UKGuy]

QUOTE>>The first time I ever heard about erotic asphyxiation was some years ago when Michael Hutchence (sp?) a British rock musician, was found hanged in his hotel room and the forensic evidence indicated that he had engaged in EA (in that case auto-erotic asphyxiation).<<

Just for the record Michael Hutchence was an Australian. He went out with Paula Yates who was British.
His family was mortally embarrassed and refused to believe what had happened to him. They would rather have the public believe he had problems that resulted in his suicide, than what actually happened.
Paula and Michael were into all sorts of things that were not very wholesome and as a result both are dead.

All very sad, Paula had 'issues' to deal with, yes folks, so who was Paula's father?

 

[narlacat]

All very sad, Paula had 'issues' to deal with, yes folks, so who was Paula's father?

I don't know who her father was.
And I'm probably getting confused.....was her mother Yootha Joyce??

 

[UKGuy]

I think, UK Guy, that it was balled up on the counter in her bathroom. Patsy said that she fussed with a jumper that was soiled and this occurred outside JB's bedroom, in her laundry area. First thing we have Patsy saying that JB was wearing the turtleneck, then she changed her story. Although the pics have never been released, we have been told that JB wore the white Gap top to the White's that evening. So, if Patsy's initial statements are true, then JB went to the White's in the Gap top, came home and changed her clothes for some reason. Then, she was redressed into the Gap top. I've always thought her clothes held the clues as to what really happened.

Nehemiah,

Yes I tend to agree. It was a combination of the white blanket she was wrapped in and issues over her clothing e.g. the underwear count on the search warrants etc, that made me consider that the wine-cellar was more elaborate staging than circumstance.

It may be that Patsy wanted JonBenet to wear the red top the following day enroute to their vacation, so maybe they had a dress session?

She may have been doing JonBenet's hair in her bedroom, or maybe those hair-ties are a consequence of her death, its difficult to sequence events, and to separate what could be redressing from actual clothes worn.

Whichever way you run it though someone lost it, garrotting or head blow, either one just does not appear accidental, so I feel JonBenet was being silenced!

 

[Nehemiah]

Nehemiah, She may have been doing JonBenet's hair in her bedroom, or maybe those hair-ties are a consequence of her death, its difficult to sequence events, and to separate what could be redressing from actual clothes worn.

The hair ties are interesting to me, because they were blue. We've been told that JB wore a white top, black vest, and black pants to the White's party. I can't imagine that Patsy would fix JB's hair with blue hair ties, that did not match her outfit. That is a no-no.

 

[ellen13]

Unless Patsy had changed her ponytail ties to match the next day's outfit

while she was up eating pineapple to save herself a step in the morning.

Wouldn't a red turtleneck and navy blue pants or blue jeans go together?

 

[aussiesheila]

BlueCrab, in the autopsy report Dr Meyer states, "this wooden stick is irregularly broken at both ends", he does not say it was whittled.

That's what I thought, and now everyone is talking about whittled pieces of wood all over the basement floor! Where did this belief originate?

And where did the belief that there was a paintbrush handle in her vagina originate? I have never read anywhere else other than on this forum that this was so.

 

[aussiesheila]

Also, the paintbrush isn't all that bizarre of a piece of evidence. It was near where the murder took place and was used to both sexually assault JBR and as a part of the garrotte. Then, part of it disappeared, probably to hide DNA evidence.

Why do you think the paintbrush was used to sexually assault JonBenet? Is there any evidence for that?

 

[aussiesheila]

Seeker,

The wooden paintbrush handle looks whittled on to me. The tip of the handle is missing and there were wooden shards from the handle on the basement floor.

Patsy says her paintbrushes were relatively new and none were broken. But the one used to make the EA device looks like it's a million years old. Why?

BlueCrab

But how can you be certain that the wooden shards on the basement floor are from the wooden paintbrush handle in the ligature?

Couldn't the wooden paintbrush handle in the ligature have been brought in from somewhere else?

Couldn't the wooden shards on the basement floor have come from Burke's whittling of some other object some time prior to that night? And prior to when LH-P hid his whittling knife?

 

[aussiesheila]

I don't know who her father was.
And I'm probably getting confused.....was her mother Yootha Joyce??

Was she really Paula's mother? I didn't know that. She drank herself to death. Probably another victim of a pedophile.

 

[aussiesheila]

All very sad, Paula had 'issues' to deal with, yes folks, so who was Paula's father?

Remind me please, who did turn out to be Paula's father?