Does TH's FB give us any clues?

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OK - I thought I was an a TO, and now think I am not on a TO - but I have ZERO problem with the fact I could be, because media has been messing with me a bit, and I have expressed frustration, and I want to clarify what my issues are, regarding TH's FB in the media versus what could be closer to truth.

One thing I have to say, because I truly do need a break if nothing new is coming up - and my guilt over my opinions is taking a toll - is that, regardless of what one hears, if you are a "googler" or have an fb page, since day one of this case, many of us all visited TH's public page.

1.) If you live on the East Coast: Reminder: please keep in mind that when viewing any public page of any West Coaster, posts will show as posted in EAST COAST TIME. No one seems to understand this, I have a pet peeve here.

2.) Approved Media says TH was obsessed with FB. My Observation: TH's page is now private, but I am wondering if her "friend" membership grew exponentially in the days after Kyron went missing, while still public - and if her friend base and participation grew in the week Kyron went missing, from those reaching out after they heard about her son, and before other public Missing Kyron forums were created - if so, should there be a logical problem with this? I don't necessarily have a bias against this activity happening.

3.) Approved Media says TH was always on FB, including posting a picture of Kyron with his science project the morning her vanished. My Observation: The picture we all see with Kyron in front of his science project was posted Pacific Coast Time, within the timeframes of alibi, if there is one - my issue on this for this thread is the west coast/east coast, and accuracy vs. rumor. I don't have a link to support this photo that is WS/LE/media approved, but wildfire is rampant on timeframes, and if you never saw the original, you may believe what you will. My issue with this as an alibi is on hold.

4.) Approved Media says TH was addicted to FB games. My Observation: She could have received "gifts" from a facebook game throughout the day. I cant stand video games, or FB game/application fans at all, but posts like this do (A) not mean this was more important than her children, (B) not give any proof that she was goofing around on FB the day Kyron went missing. Most likely, she received "gifts" in a game - more importantly, her wall would have shown reciprocation - like her participating in response, and if nothing showed a participation in any game until her page went private, that's what we've got. This is brought up in media, and its up for speculation. I am speculating that perceived activity is being misinterpreted.

5.) Approved Media says TH bee-lined it to FB regarding telling an already increasing friend-list that she was "hitting the gym". My Observation: TH may not be the smartest tool in the shed, but let's just say: what if she did take time to "like" every single person's post on her wall, got on the FB not every day, but like every other day. After many days passed like this, she posted she was "hitting the gym." If that's a little crossing the line, I want to link this:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html

Most likely in my opinion, this would be the day TH made this comment, and media captured it, having followed her movements. It's local KATU video dated 6/10, and she's not alone, Kaine is also hitting the gym. I'd like people to think about this in the midst of all this flurry. Kaine also hit the gym. Who knows if she hit the gym before this, but, she didn't FB anything regarding the gym till around this time frame. Judge as you will - I have no problem, I have also judged. But it is VERY different from "hitting the gym: say 8:00 pm the night Kyron went missing, which is what media is implying. By this video, I personally think that what we are speculating on - info on a private page - was posted arounf this time, and it makes sense to me.

6.) Approved Media says TH took too much time to change her profile picture:

Hello. Kaine *** may have changed his many days before the TH did (My opinion, after she "hit the gym"), or around then **** but this is where TH's profile becomes private. Until then, all of us were allowed and okay to stop by and scope out her scene. But TH waited far beyond any other family member to change her pic - all family private profiles did this, and even private profile pictures are pubic information. This is also an observation made by approved media. People's profile pictures are always available. Not matter what can be seen, the time frame of profile picture changing is fair game in my mind, and in TOS. Kaine's profile has always been private, but there is no privacy about profile pictures. He changed his right away, and Th did not.

My questions: How is it so easy to take all of the above and still make it sound like TH is an FB fanatic, and media franticly portraying a Facebook obsessed mother?

Why is it not possible to think TH was NOT "always" on Fb as the media seems to portray? Was it because she was also accepting "friend requests" from people across the nation helping out or wanting to give her support? Going online?

What I see is someone who had the whole continent on her page within 24 hours, and potentially was trying to accept this, but still should have changed her profile picture, regardless. The child that is missing is what made people reach out to her via FB. That said, she didn't actually play games or make updates, and her first big post ("hitting the gym") is very "iffy" to many. But even moreso, media implying that it was posted the day Kyron went missing, which is untrue from my understanding, is misleading from what could be closer to Up For Speculation behavior. Basically, that's the issue I am having with reports. Anyone getting bombarded may potentially behave the way TH did in the early days.

Minus NOT changing her profile picture to the "Kyron is Missing" poster until AFTER people freaked out about the gym comment,*** my assessment*** a week later. This is my focus.

Once we got to critique the "hitting the gym" comment, TH went private...and FINALLY changed her profile pic. To me, THAT'S more telling. Given FB media stories, and how it all plays out, what is the most fishy to everyone else here? I mostly see that it was that she didn't change her FB profile picture, when many friends posting words of comfort had done so, including her husband.

To what extent would you be updating FB if you were in her position?

PDX, DF.
 
We are not hinting about what may be on a Private FB that you have bookmarked are we?
The parameters of this thread list where you may draw information from to discuss SM's FB and it does not include that you may use a bookmarked private FB which you are viewing. :nono: That includes information about the Dads current FB which is private.
 
We are not hinting about what may be on a Private FB that you have bookmarked are we?
The parameters of this thread list where you may draw information from to discuss SM's FB and it does not include that you may use a bookmarked private FB which you are viewing. :nono: That includes information about the Dads current FB which is private.

I assume that this is partially in reference to my response this morning, so I have deleted it. I apologize, I was just trying to provide reasonable explanation as to why something may not necessarily be as strange as it appears on the surface.
 
Good point about the *both* of them rushing past the media! I remember seeing that too, actually I think it was the first time that I ever saw either one of them. Now I did think that was odd, rushing the way they did and not a word...not even a "Thank you for your concern. We'll talk about everything at the next press conference" or something?

I doubt the media would have allowed them to get away with something as short and sweet as that.
 
I can understand that but for me what was weird all her daughters pictures had Horman on whereas Kyrons just said " Kyron" like he wasnt one of them.

Just a thought on this...maybe when TH originally started tagging her pics, she tagged with her daughter's 1st & last name, but hadn't put up any pics of Kyron. When she did end up putting up some pics of Kyron, she wasn't really thinking about it and only tagged Kyron with his 1st name. Now when she goes in to tag pics, the tags are inconsistent with one another, since they are cached as such, but she's never bothered to fix it. JMOO

With regard to this though, I am pretty meticulous and that would bother me a great deal, so I would take the time to fix it.

Another thought is that maybe DY requested that she not put Kyron's full name on her FB, when she tags pics of him, and TH is simply complying with that request. JMOO
 
We're going to open up discussion on TH's Facebook. Her FB is private and WS rules are that when a social network page is private - IT IS PRIVATE.

What we can do now is discuss TH's Facebook if it is mentioned in the main stream media. Here's a list of sources you may draw from using links:

Main stream media, including Willamette Week

Television

The Levi Page Show

ETA: Links to comments made by our members during the time the FB was public


If you know of another source to be considered, contact us privately and we'll look into it for you.

Remember, TH is not a POI and LE has asked us to be kind when posting on the internet. We can discuss suspicious behavior, but we can't bash or accuse anyone of a crime, or anything along that line. No matter what you believe, think of TH as innocent as you post peculiar behavior.

We are not discussing what we see, or saw unless it is reported in the news, on HLN, Levi, in the papers.

So talking about what you are seeing or saw if it hasn't been in the news media spotlight is not allowed.

ETA by Kimster: ETA: Links to comments made by our members during the time the FB was public
 
OK - I thought I was an a TO, and now think I am not on a TO - but I have ZERO problem with the fact I could be, because media has been messing with me a bit, and I have expressed frustration, and I want to clarify what my issues are, regarding TH's FB in the media versus what could be closer to truth.

One thing I have to say, because I truly do need a break if nothing new is coming up - and my guilt over my opinions is taking a toll - is that, regardless of what one hears, if you are a "googler" or have an fb page, since day one of this case, many of us all visited TH's public page.

1.) If you live on the East Coast: Reminder: please keep in mind that when viewing any public page of any West Coaster, posts will show as posted in EAST COAST TIME. No one seems to understand this, I have a pet peeve here.

2.) Approved Media says TH was obsessed with FB. My Observation: TH's page is now private, but I am wondering if her "friend" membership grew exponentially in the days after Kyron went missing, while still public - and if her friend base and participation grew in the week Kyron went missing, from those reaching out after they heard about her son, and before other public Missing Kyron forums were created - if so, should there be a logical problem with this? I don't necessarily have a bias against this activity happening.

3.) Approved Media says TH was always on FB, including posting a picture of Kyron with his science project the morning her vanished. My Observation: The picture we all see with Kyron in front of his science project was posted Pacific Coast Time, within the timeframes of alibi, if there is one - my issue on this for this thread is the west coast/east coast, and accuracy vs. rumor. I don't have a link to support this photo that is WS/LE/media approved, but wildfire is rampant on timeframes, and if you never saw the original, you may believe what you will. My issue with this as an alibi is on hold.

4.) Approved Media says TH was addicted to FB games. My Observation: She could have received "gifts" from a facebook game throughout the day. I cant stand video games, or FB game/application fans at all, but posts like this do (A) not mean this was more important than her children, (B) not give any proof that she was goofing around on FB the day Kyron went missing. Most likely, she received "gifts" in a game - more importantly, her wall would have shown reciprocation - like her participating in response, and if nothing showed a participation in any game until her page went private, that's what we've got. This is brought up in media, and its up for speculation. I am speculating that perceived activity is being misinterpreted.

5.) Approved Media says TH bee-lined it to FB regarding telling an already increasing friend-list that she was "hitting the gym". My Observation: TH may not be the smartest tool in the shed, but let's just say: what if she did take time to "like" every single person's post on her wall, got on the FB not every day, but like every other day. After many days passed like this, she posted she was "hitting the gym." If that's a little crossing the line, I want to link this:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96033344.html

Most likely in my opinion, this would be the day TH made this comment, and media captured it, having followed her movements. It's local KATU video dated 6/10, and she's not alone, Kaine is also hitting the gym. I'd like people to think about this in the midst of all this flurry. Kaine also hit the gym. Who knows if she hit the gym before this, but, she didn't FB anything regarding the gym till around this time frame. Judge as you will - I have no problem, I have also judged. But it is VERY different from "hitting the gym: say 8:00 pm the night Kyron went missing, which is what media is implying. By this video, I personally think that what we are speculating on - info on a private page - was posted arounf this time, and it makes sense to me.

6.) Approved Media says TH took too much time to change her profile picture:

Hello. Kaine *** may have changed his many days before the TH did (My opinion, after she "hit the gym"), or around then **** but this is where TH's profile becomes private. Until then, all of us were allowed and okay to stop by and scope out her scene. But TH waited far beyond any other family member to change her pic - all family private profiles did this, and even private profile pictures are pubic information. This is also an observation made by approved media. People's profile pictures are always available. Not matter what can be seen, the time frame of profile picture changing is fair game in my mind, and in TOS. Kaine's profile has always been private, but there is no privacy about profile pictures. He changed his right away, and Th did not.

My questions: How is it so easy to take all of the above and still make it sound like TH is an FB fanatic, and media franticly portraying a Facebook obsessed mother?

Why is it not possible to think TH was NOT "always" on Fb as the media seems to portray? Was it because she was also accepting "friend requests" from people across the nation helping out or wanting to give her support? Going online?

What I see is someone who had the whole continent on her page within 24 hours, and potentially was trying to accept this, but still should have changed her profile picture, regardless. The child that is missing is what made people reach out to her via FB. That said, she didn't actually play games or make updates, and her first big post ("hitting the gym") is very "iffy" to many. But even moreso, media implying that it was posted the day Kyron went missing, which is untrue from my understanding, is misleading from what could be closer to Up For Speculation behavior. Basically, that's the issue I am having with reports. Anyone getting bombarded may potentially behave the way TH did in the early days.

Minus NOT changing her profile picture to the "Kyron is Missing" poster until AFTER people freaked out about the gym comment,*** my assessment*** a week later. This is my focus.

Once we got to critique the "hitting the gym" comment, TH went private...and FINALLY changed her profile pic. To me, THAT'S more telling. Given FB media stories, and how it all plays out, what is the most fishy to everyone else here? I mostly see that it was that she didn't change her FB profile picture, when many friends posting words of comfort had done so, including her husband.

To what extent would you be updating FB if you were in her position?

PDX, DF.

If anyone scrutinized my FB page, I'd probably be in trouble, lol. I have probably a hundred game links sent to me, but I don't play any games. Because I love aquariums and many of my FB friends are into them as well, I have a lot of gifts from that game. My page makes it look like I'm on all the time, when in reality I may visit my FB page once a week if even that often. Also, I have 6 kids and 6 grandkids, but I only have pics of my one son's wedding. It's only because he just got married and I was posting up some pics for friends. Also, for some reason my "friends" like to send me margaritas...often on Fridays as a welcome to the weekend type of thing. I would guess folks would think I'm a big time drinker, when the opposite is actually true: I rarely ever drink alcohol. The only thing I think is a bit off is the not changing the pic right away, but I don't really see that as sinister...she may just not have thought about it. I'm not sure I would have.
 
Just a thought on this...maybe when TH originally started tagging her pics, she tagged with her daughter's 1st & last name, but hadn't put up any pics of Kyron. When she did end up putting up some pics of Kyron, she wasn't really thinking about it and only tagged Kyron with his 1st name. Now when she goes in to tag pics, the tags are inconsistent with one another, since they are cached as such, but she's never bothered to fix it. JMOO

With regard to this though, I am pretty meticulous and that would bother me a great deal, so I would take the time to fix it.

Another thought is that maybe DY requested that she not put Kyron's full name on her FB, when she tags pics of him, and TH is simply complying with that request. JMOO

Could also be that Kyron's last name is different from DY and by tagging only his first name that didn't make that fact so glaringly obvious on DY's facebook page when the pics showed up.
 
If anyone scrutinized my FB page, I'd probably be in trouble, lol. I have probably a hundred game links sent to me, but I don't play any games. Because I love aquariums and many of my FB friends are into them as well, I have a lot of gifts from that game. My page makes it look like I'm on all the time, when in reality I may visit my FB page once a week if even that often. Also, I have 6 kids and 6 grandkids, but I only have pics of my one son's wedding. It's only because he just got married and I was posting up some pics for friends. Also, for some reason my "friends" like to send me margaritas...often on Fridays as a welcome to the weekend type of thing. I would guess folks would think I'm a big time drinker, when the opposite is actually true: I rarely ever drink alcohol. The only thing I think is a bit off is the not changing the pic right away, but I don't really see that as sinister...she may just not have thought about it. I'm not sure I would have.
Reality Orlando, I'm right there with you. God forbid (!!) that my son went missing and people tried to speculate about me based on my FB comings and goings and postings. I would hate to think what they might infer.

As an example, last year, we had to put our beloved 9 year old dog to sleep because he had terminal cancer. It was heart wrenching, even though we knew we were doing the right thing for him. I never posted about it, his cancer, or anything related to it on my FB page. at. all. I never changed my profile photo to one of my dog or change it at all. I did email close friends and call and talk to people about it over the phone and also in person. I'm a pretty open person but writing anything on my FB status update about my dying (and then dead) dog felt so insincere to me. But if you were going to use my FB postings as an indicator of my "true feelings", you would have thought that I didn't care about him or the situation at all, which could not have been further from the case. I know comparing a dog to a child is a stretch at best, but what I'm trying to allude to is that it is really hard to get inside someone's head based just on what they were putting up on FB, IMO.
 
Another thought is that maybe DY requested that she not put Kyron's full name on her FB, when she tags pics of him, and TH is simply complying with that request. JMOO

I don't put pictures of my kids on FB for privacy reasons. If anyone else did, and they identified my kids by their full names, I would be furious. Lucky for me, that has never happened.

I think you have made an excellent point, especially considering that TH's FB page was public.
 
Hello CharlestonGal,

You wrote:
I've often wondered what Terri's FB would have looked like had it been her daughter missing instead of Kyron. Would she still be "hitting the gym" and "liking" and "poking"?

It's impossible to know, of course. But I do wonder.

Absolutely... I absolutely wonder the same thing you do!!!

God forbid that the precious little girl had shown up missing AND I absolutely get what you are saying. Would Terri have had "smiley faces" punctuating her varying FB posts, would she have made glib responses to poking from another FB member, such as how it is addicting, etc.? Would she have not been begging for help from anyone and everyone to find her OR have been frantically running to look for her?

I would have to say "NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT!" I cannot believe for a moment that, based on what I have witnessed, Terri would not have been blown to bits by the disappearance of her little girl.

It is the above that has me scratching my head...
 
Greetings,

[bbm]

was she 'liking' and 'poking' after he went missing?
I did look at her FB in the early days but didn't notice that kind of stuff

Yes...and smiley facing... There were a number of things showing up in her responses that were notable, and uncomfortable.

I watched this.
 
We're going to open up discussion on TH's Facebook. Her FB is private and WS rules are that when a social network page is private - IT IS PRIVATE.

What we can do now is discuss TH's Facebook if it is mentioned in the main stream media. Here's a list of sources you may draw from using links:

Main stream media, including Willamette Week

Television

The Levi Page Show

ETA: Links to comments made by our members during the time the FB was public


If you know of another source to be considered, contact us privately and we'll look into it for you.

Remember, TH is not a POI and LE has asked us to be kind when posting on the internet. We can discuss suspicious behavior, but we can't bash or accuse anyone of a crime, or anything along that line. No matter what you believe, think of TH as innocent as you post peculiar behavior.

Just a little bumpity bump!:angel:
 
Respectfully bbm - that was my initial thought at the beginning Celt. Because that was the only explanation I could come up with, that made any sense to me, because in my heart, as a grieving mother who has lost a child in tragic circumstances, I just knew there was something wrong with it.

I also wonder if that wasn't the reason for the cell pings on the island. Maybe it had nothing to do with Kyron.
 
I have a question regarding the Facebook time stamps.

I have seen in the past, that myself and other members of a group, all within the same time zone, would have the time stamp of another time zone, 3 hours difference. Sometimes, the incorrect time would stay on the message permanently, and sometimes it would correct itself.

I always thought it was a Facebook glitch, but now after reading here, am completely unsure. The time a message is posted is quite relevant, in cases like Kyron's.

Any thoughts?
 
So does that mean adoptive parents should have less attachment?
People make remarks to me on that line all the time.

Are you as attached to your adoptive children as your biological children? My answer? YES 100% they are ALLL my children and I LOVE THEM ALL equally. Could not imagine my life with out ANY of them. A Piece of me WOULD be missing if any of them was missing.

But in the end some people would feel that way I guess I just can't imagine that

I agree with you!! I love all my children equally, and each one is driving me EQUALLY crazy!!! When you love and raise a child, by birth or adoption, its one and the same. IMO
 
BBM...

It's more of what she DIDN'T post. Missing Info of Kyron. I find that odd. You share you're going to the gym, but not PLEASE help look for our little boy. Check your barns, porches, backyards...

Odd...
I would be writing on everyones wall!!

From the Nancy Grace Transcript of tonight's show:

Now also, Nancy, according to the stepmother`s Facebook page, some people have scrutinized her because within six days time she had put on her Facebook page that she was going to the gym and not until the sixth day did she put a photograph up of Kyron.

GRACE: What does that say to you, Lillian Glass?

GLASS: It says a lot, Nancy. Because when somebody has a missing child that they love, they`ll do anything. They`ll scream from the highest mountain to find that child. And the fact that she waited so long, that`s a huge red flag.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/22/ng.01.html

exactly.....
 
UPDATE:

You may link to comments made by members in the earlier threads about TM's FB page while it was still open. I don't have the time today to see where those posts are located, but I'm sure you great sleuthers will find them.
 
Wouldn't LE be able to find out the exact time anything was posted on FB, just by looking at her computer?
 
I hadn't seen the original FB post. I just did, though, and realize the "hitting the gym" line was taken out of context. There's more to the sentence, and it was in answer to another post.
 
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