Dog who mauled 4 year old has online support

  • #21
The dog needs to be sent to a sanctuary where he will be kept away from children and anyone he could harm. Then he needs to be rehabilitated and accessed again after a long period of rehabilitation. Perhaps he should stay in a sanctuary the rest of his life if he can't be made safe to live in an indoor home with responsible people. The dog should not be adopted out to just any home because that would be far too dangerous. I have 3 pit bulls and they all love kids and any child could take a bone away from them with no problem. They have never tried to bite anyone. I feel so bad for the little boy who was chewed up by the dog. He never should have been allowed around a chained dog. When my son was young, he was attacked by a neighbor's German shepherd and the dog ripped his leg open down to the bone. He had to have 2 layers of stitches to close the wound and had to take antibiotics and he still has a scar. To this day, he is afraid of German shepherds even my own who is a gentle girl (but 90 pounds and looks like a wolf).
 
  • #22
There are lots of dogs in shelters that are not vicious, so I fail to see why this dog should not be euthanized. It's dangerous.
It maimed the child for life.
As for blaiming the babysitter, the child was not alone. Child was playing the yard with other children.
Dog was on a long chain. Unfortunately the child run into the area where dog could reach him.
 
  • #23
After thinking and reading about this tragedy.... if that dog were to be kept alive, it would have to be treated like a dangerous animal for the rest of its' life --- like a bobcat at the zoo. Kept confined , with room to run ,and food and shelter -- but otherwise left alone without human contact.

It seems like this is a dog that will never be able to be trusted.
I may be wrong ; but that's my opinion.
Dogs who will attack a person have lost the ability to differentiate between prey (like a wild rabbit ), and people. I fear this dog may now see humans as a food source.

It's possible that the merciful thing to do might very well be euthanasia. Sorry to say that as I have pets and am very attached to them.
The blame lies not with the dog, but at the humans who chained it, did not socialize with it, and allowed a 4 year old to play with it !

I mostly agree with you. However, there are some animals (just like there are some people) who cannot be rehabilitated. It isn't all "nurture"; some of it is genetic.
 
  • #24
There are lots of dogs in shelters that are not vicious, so I fail to see why this dog should not be euthanized. It's dangerous.

It maimed the child for life.

As for blaiming the babysitter, the child was not alone. Child was playing the yard with other children.

Dog was on a long chain. Unfortunately the child run into the area where dog could reach him.


In another's yard!


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  • #25
I do not believe a dog ever develops a taste for humans.


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  • #26
My Dobermans would never set as much of a toe off my property. Come in my front door without me opening it for you and inviting you in, you're getting bit.

Mine would not take food from you or obey you, they were trained not to.
I had guard dogs for a reason. I respect the breeding and the work they are meant to do.

People need to understand dogs and respect them before approaching or owning a big dog that can kill you. any dog ... But especially big ones that can KILL you.






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  • #28
Presumably not fenced.


So ... The dog was in his own yard. The dog was visible. The babysitter failed. She was the adult that was supposed to be in control of the child.

I also don't see this as any sort of choosing the dog over the child.
What happened to this child was beyond horrific, and honestly ... He's truly lucky to be alive.

The dog was being a dog, the child was being a child. The person watching the child failed.




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  • #29
So ... The dog was in his own yard. The dog was visible. The babysitter failed. She was the adult that was supposed to be in control of the child.

I also don't see this as any sort of choosing the dog over the child.
What happened to this child was beyond horrific, and honestly ... He's truly lucky to be alive.

The dog was being a dog, the child was being a child. The person watching the child failed.




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No, the dog was being a dangerous dog.
Dog mauled a child.
We don't consider this kind of behavior acceptable in dogs.
 
  • #30
Most dogs won't maul a child even if he comes into its yard. I wouldn't describe that behavior as just "being a dog." My dogs might bark if a young child ran into our yard, but they would never bite and most certainly would not maul a child. They wouldn't bite a big scary man for that matter. We haven't trained them to be attack dogs, though.

I don't know if this dog is naturally vicious, has been trained to attack, or just so damaged by its treatment, but I doubt the owners can claim no fault here even if a child crossed into their yard. The article also said that this same dog killed a puppy which had wandered into its yard.
 
  • #31
Most dogs won't maul a child even if he comes into its yard. I wouldn't describe that behavior as just "being a dog." My dogs might bark if a young child ran into our yard, but they would never bite and most certainly would not maul a child. They wouldn't bite a big scary man for that matter. We haven't trained them to be attack dogs, though.

I don't know if this dog is naturally vicious, has been trained to attack, or just so damaged by its treatment, but I doubt the owners can claim no fault here even if a child crossed into their yard. The article also said that this same dog killed a puppy which had wandered into its yard.


The dog was eating his bone, the child tried to take it.

It's stupid to assume every dog owner is a responsible one that has appropriately socialized their dog, bomb proofed all food aggression tendencies.

I can't tell you how many times I cringe when people bring little children to the dog park, or veterinarian office waiting rooms and allow their children to run around, run up to strange dogs and get right in their face... It's beyond stupid. IMO it's an horrific situation begging to happen that's 100% preventable.

People would look at you like you're crazy if you ask them would they be okay with their toddler hanging out with a complete stranger wielding a gun. Yet, they'll bring a toddler to a dog park full of huge dogs belonging to complete strangers.

ALL healthy dogs have teeth and are capable of biting.


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  • #32
The dog needs to be sent to a sanctuary where he will be kept away from children and anyone he could harm. Then he needs to be rehabilitated and accessed again after a long period of rehabilitation. Perhaps he should stay in a sanctuary the rest of his life if he can't be made safe to live in an indoor home with responsible people.

Respectfully snipped, and BBM.

And also respectfully, why?

Why should THIS particular dog be afforded such lavish, expensive treatment? How is that compassionate to the dog, who has virtually NO capacity to understand why he behaved the way he did?

Why invest this amount and quality of resources into an animal with this little prediction of having a positive outcome at the end?

The prediction of risk vs benefit ratio, IMO, does not predict that this animal would clearly benefit from this level of treatment.

I am fine with holding the owner responsible for the poor treatment and poor socialization of this animal. But I do not see a clear benefit to investing the resources into quarantining, and attempting to rehabilitate, THIS particular dog. I believe this dog is irreparably damaged, and I would never trust it around people. It is forever unpredictable. It is very sad, but the most ethical and humane outcome, IMO, is to make it comfortable, and administer euthanasia.

Dogs are not people, with the ability to reflect and process the consequences of their actions. A dog's cognitive ability is quite limited, in terms of "understanding" their behavior. They can be trained to act in a certain way, but once their survival instincts over ride that training, in a violent manner, they are, IMO, forever unpredictable.

I'm sorry, but I seriously disagree with any ideas or plans to shelter, rescue, or rehabilitate this particular dog. I believe euthanasia for this animal is the most compassionate care.
 
  • #33
Respectfully snipped, and BBM.



And also respectfully, why?



Why should THIS particular dog be afforded such lavish, expensive treatment? How is that compassionate to the dog, who has virtually NO capacity to understand why he behaved the way he did?



Why invest this amount and quality of resources into an animal with this little prediction of having a positive outcome at the end?



The prediction of risk vs benefit ratio, IMO, does not predict that this animal would clearly benefit from this level of treatment.



I am fine with holding the owner responsible for the poor treatment and poor socialization of this animal. But I do not see a clear benefit to investing the resources into quarantining, and attempting to rehabilitate, THIS particular dog. I believe this dog is irreparably damaged, and I would never trust it around people. It is forever unpredictable. It is very sad, but the most ethical and humane outcome, IMO, is to make it comfortable, and administer euthanasia.



Dogs are not people, with the ability to reflect and process the consequences of their actions. A dog's cognitive ability is quite limited, in terms of "understanding" their behavior. They can be trained to act in a certain way, but once their survival instincts over ride that training, in a violent manner, they are, IMO, forever unpredictable.



I'm sorry, but I seriously disagree with any ideas or plans to shelter, rescue, or rehabilitate this particular dog. I believe euthanasia for this animal is the most compassionate care.


Why not? Especially considering the willingness of qualified sanctuaries and behaviorists willing to take him.
Thousands of unwanted dogs are killed everyday, this one apparently is wanted.


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  • #34
The dog was eating his bone, the child tried to take it.


ALL healthy dogs have teeth and are capable of biting.


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I agree about the biting. That's a huge difference from mauling to the point of killing.
 
  • #35
Why not? Especially considering the willingness of qualified sanctuaries and behaviorists willing to take him.
Thousands of unwanted dogs are killed everyday, this one apparently is wanted.


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I may have missed that any particular entity has offered to take him under circumstances which would protect society. I thought it was just a petition of people who don't want him euthanized.

If the public isn't paying for it, and the new facility can guarantee that this dog will never hurt another innocent person, then I guess it wouldn't bother me, though I agree with others that there seems to be very little outrage expressed for the sweet and not aggressive dogs which are euthanized daily and who are every bit as entitled to life as this dog is.
 
  • #36
I may have missed that any particular entity has offered to take him under circumstances which would protect society. I thought it was just a petition of people who don't want him euthanized.



If the public isn't paying for it, and the new facility can guarantee that this dog will never hurt another innocent person, then I guess it wouldn't bother me, though I agree with others that there seems to be very little outrage expressed for the sweet and not aggressive dogs which are euthanized daily and who are every bit as entitled to life as this dog is.


Oh I'm outraged by the mass killing of terrific dogs daily in overcrowded shelters. Again, that's the price animals pay for the stupid incompetence of humans.

I'm outraged this child wasn't supervised and almost died as a result of a negligent babysitter. Its the same with the babysitter the other day whose failure led to twins drowning on her watch. ( lack of watching actually) It wasn't the swimming pools fault!!!

I think that's what upsets me about this situation. By placing ALL the blame on the dog ....further turning pit bulls into some sort of genetically evil blood thirsty beasts...when it's the humans faults entirely does NOTHING to educate or encourage responsible dog ownership, the importantance of SUPERVISING children interacting with dogs at ALL times.
Killing this dogs serves no purpose than to demonize the dog, further damaging large dogs reputations while absolving the ones who were 100% at fault.



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  • #37
Pets certainly do have value than humans, nowadays...
 
  • #38
Killing this dogs serves no purpose than to demonize the dog, further damaging large dogs reputations while absolving the ones who were 100% at fault.



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Well, it also makes it impossible for this aggressive dog to hurt anyone else.

The lack of supervision was a contributing factor, NO DOUBT, but there is definitely something wrong with this dog, whether or not the problem was inherent in the dog or created by training or abuse. The vast majority of dogs in this exact situation are going to give a warning bark or even bite when someone takes their bone, but they are not going to attempt to kill the offender.
 
  • #39
I do not believe a dog ever develops a taste for humans.


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RSBM

I have often wondered that myself. After a dog bites someone to the point where he/she gets a taste of human blood, does it lose its' natural inclination to prefer dog food or whatever ?
Just curious.
In the past, I'd read that some animals became more dangerous after attacking a person, because they started to see them as equal prey, instead of owners/masters.

The photo of the dog showed what appeared to be an undernourished animal ; imo.
 
  • #40
Disgusting!!! My dog was nearly killed a couple of months ago by two vicious malamutes that ganged up in her in front of me!!! They were spared being put down by the city, despite the fact that 10 days later they attacked and bit the pool woman- one gash alone required 15 stitches. I think it's utterly disgusting that anyone would support a vicious dog!!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

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