Dominic Casey: Motion to Strike Notice of Deposition & Motion for Protective Order#2

[LambChop]

I also think KC is driven to do whatever will make her mother unhappy. Remember Kio stating in her depo that KC said her mother did not want her hispanic friends in the house or something to that effect. Of course KC could have been lying to Kio. Did KC pick JB just because he was hispanic to basically "thumb her nose at her mother"??? She was dating RM but telling her mother she was seeing Jeff. The fact that GA and CA do not like JB may speak for itself. But I'm going off topic here. I think CA feels DC betrayed her and anyone telling the truth has betrayed her. CA wants you to tell her what she wants to hear. jmo

 

[faefrost]

I also think KC is driven to do whatever will make her mother unhappy. Remember Kio stating in her depo that KC said her mother did not want her hispanic friends in the house or something to that effect. Of course KC could have been lying to Kio. Did KC pick JB just because he was hispanic to basically "thumb her nose at her mother"??? She was dating RM but telling her mother she was seeing Jeff. The fact that GA and CA do not like JB may speak for itself. But I'm going off topic here. I think CA feels DC betrayed her and anyone telling the truth has betrayed her. CA wants you to tell her what she wants to hear. jmo

This is one of those things that always drives me crazy with this case, and beautifully illustrates how and why KC got away with so much for so long. (And I appologize Lambchop, I don't mean to pick on you for this. Everyone does it).

The big problem that most normal people have, is they do not immediately dismiss any information that originates with or comes exclusively from KC. Even when we know she is a "diabolical" liar, we still ferret away her statements and try and in some way blend them into reality.

In this case that statement to Kio, by KC that her mother hates Hispanic people, or didn't want them in the house. Now CA may or may not have her own personal petty bigotries. But attributing anything coming out of KC's mouth is just not a sign of such. KC used that particular lie as a way of keeping her various groups of friends compartmentalized. No one friend ever saw the entirety of her life,a nd therefore her lies. She could be a diferent person with each group. It was part of maintaining her fantasy life. It had no basis in reality.

But we normal people are not wired like sociopaths. So when we encounter one, our brains don't know quite how to respond. We are wired to default to believing what people say. And even when it is complete bs, our brains still record it,a t least in part, as fact, and it shapes our ideas and impressions. Marketing folks and Politicians use this failing in humanity all of the time in order to get what they want or encourage people to buy what they are selling. A sociopath cuts right through normal people like a hot knife through butter because of this. Even when you know the sociopath is lying, normal people do not dismiss the information. This is why we still see arguements around here over whether George and Lee molested KC, over whether Cindy hates hispanics, who "Zanny" really is, the list goes on. These are all things that were 100% made up by the murdering sociopath behind all of this in order to feed her fantasy. But our brains just can't let go of them.

 

[countzero]

This is one of those things that always drives me crazy with this case, and beautifully illustrates how and why KC got away with so much for so long. (And I appologize Lambchop, I don't mean to pick on you for this. Everyone does it).

The big problem that most normal people have, is they do not immediately dismiss any information that originates with or comes exclusively from KC. Even when we know she is a "diabolical" liar, we still ferret away her statements and try and in some way blend them into reality.

In this case that statement to Kio, by KC that her mother hates Hispanic people, or didn't want them in the house. Now CA may or may not have her own personal petty bigotries. But attributing anything coming out of KC's mouth is just not a sign of such. KC used that particular lie as a way of keeping her various groups of friends compartmentalized. No one friend ever saw the entirety of her life,a nd therefore her lies. She could be a diferent person with each group. It was part of maintaining her fantasy life. It had no basis in reality.

But we normal people are not wired like sociopaths. So when we encounter one, our brains don't know quite how to respond. We are wired to default to believing what people say. And even when it is complete bs, our brains still record it,a t least in part, as fact, and it shapes our ideas and impressions. Marketing folks and Politicians use this failing in humanity all of the time in order to get what they want or encourage people to buy what they are selling. A sociopath cuts right through normal people like a hot knife through butter because of this. Even when you know the sociopath is lying, normal people do not dismiss the information. This is why we still see arguements around here over whether George and Lee molested KC, over whether Cindy hates hispanics, who "Zanny" really is, the list goes on. These are all things that were 100% made up by the murdering sociopath behind all of this in order to feed her fantasy. But our brains just can't let go of them.

BINGO! You said this perfectly. I have tried to rely to others what it is like dealing with these people and when they are blood relatives, it ain't easy to tear ones self away from them. But for sanity's sake I did it.

Compartmented relationships is necessary for them to keep the manipulation going. Once anyone in a specific group of acquaintances (they don't have Friends), figures out what is really going on, the sociopath moves on to a new set of friends. Sometimes these sociopaths are basically harmless with their lies as they will embellish some past history of themselves to blend into a new group.

ICA might have been somewhat ok if she had been born into any other family who called her out on her lies.

Ok, I went o/t so to get back on topic Dom is a scary one in that he too blends in with any given situation. He asserted himself into this case thinking the outcome would make him $$$ but he soon found out it was more. He knows more but I am not sure how much, for if he actually does have knowledge from CA about the specifics of Caylee's murder, CA would definitely keep him close to her, regardless of her dislike of him.

Then again, Dom could be playing this for all he can get out of it after the trial is over. Another low life living off of Caylee added to the long list.

 

[Solace]

I also think KC is driven to do whatever will make her mother unhappy. Remember Kio stating in her depo that KC said her mother did not want her hispanic friends in the house or something to that effect. Of course KC could have been lying to Kio. Did KC pick JB just because he was hispanic to basically "thumb her nose at her mother"??? She was dating RM but telling her mother she was seeing Jeff. The fact that GA and CA do not like JB may speak for itself. But I'm going off topic here. I think CA feels DC betrayed her and anyone telling the truth has betrayed her. CA wants you to tell her what she wants to hear. jmo

Cindy is out and out bizarre - she actually tells the FBI that one of the reasons Casey stayed away so long was she met up with Jeff Hopkins and Jeff's mom was watching the baby (with cancer) I might add and that Casey and Jeff were thinking of getting married.

If that is not bizarre enough, Cindy asks Casey if she is still interested in lawschool when she gets out and maybe Lyon could help. The woman needs shock treatments.

 

[steadychick]

Ok, I went o/t so to get back on topic Dom is a scary one in that he too blends in with any given situation. He asserted himself into this case thinking the outcome would make him $$$ but he soon found out it was more. He knows more but I am not sure how much, for if he actually does have knowledge from CA about the specifics of Caylee's murder, CA would definitely keep him close to her, regardless of her dislike of him.

Then again, Dom could be playing this for all he can get out of it after the trial is over. Another low life living off of Caylee added to the long list.

This goes to the question earlier about whether or not DC was ever paid for any work that he did. IIRC he was not. However, IIRC he went with Brad and the A's to New York to discuss a book deal. It was the one that Brad denied, but I think it was confirmed that they had met with a publisher. IMO Dominic, like many in this case, was counting on the payoff coming after the trial and was collaborating with the A's on a book and who knows what else.

 

[steadychick]

Thinking about Dominic Casey ..... the way it was left on Dec. 11, 2009 , Judge S. told LDB to go ahead with her Investigative Interview (which Baez could not attend).
LDB said that she did not "HAVE to file" a transcript of the deposition.
Judge S. said she did not HAVE to file it either. Only if she was going to "use" it, it would be filed. He said a lot of transcripts are NOT filed.
So ....... I imagine Dom did do a interview/depo with Linda D. B., and the transcript of it has not been filed.
If Dom had not done it by now, LDB would have filed some strong Motions to Compel him to do it and to hold him in contempt of court for disobeying the Judge's Order.
Dominic IS on the State's Witness List.

Dec 16, 2009 deposition was cancelled because it was no longer a "regular" deposition - it was relabelled as an "Investigative Interview" - which the public has not heard any more about. But, Judge S. told LDB that she could still utilize that time/date if she wanted to.

Dominic hastily moved out of his rented office space January 2010.

Tennis is no longer DCasey's attorney as of 5/7/2010

And Dom's Foreclosure case is set for a Hearing on August 13, 2010.
The last activity in the case was on May 11th when Dom got the records he was asking for.
http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CivilDocket/case_detail_3.jsp?CaseNo=2008CA006234


RAW HEARING: Part 1
http://www.wftv.com/video/21930588/index.html

Dec 11, 2009 Hearing - anniv Caylee found

(Dominic's attorney) Ms Tennis first - motion to strike & protective Order

Tennis
(4:44) Once the deposition is filed with the court, it is public record which is the other reason why Mr. Casey does not want to be involved in any part of the system that will lead to his exploitation, frankly.......

Tennis
(9:07)
the other difference is that a transcript of a deposition MUST be filed in open
court and obviously, even if you decided to .....I've never seen one that
wasn't

Burdick
(9:15) It's not ....I don't have to file it

Judge
(9:18) no, I mean, they generally are ... I don't get one every time though ...

Tennis
(9:22)
unless the Court entered an Order sealing it, I believe that it would be filed

Judge
(9:27) plenty of times it is not, I guess it's just if it's going to be used, it's filed, but there are plenty of times that it is not. Having said that, Ms Drane Burdick anything
else from you.

Judge
(13:15) ..... go ahead and issue the investigative subpoena and go at it that way. If you want to utilize the time that you set aside previously, that's fine with me. [Dec. 16, 2009]

Baez
(14:57) ... we would just make it a moot issue and list him
as a witness and then they can go ahead and take their deposition

Judge
well, that's where we stand, because under 2704, I can't
overrule a Statute, it's their investigative power and they have the authority
to do that. If you choose to work
something out, that's fine with the court.
I'm not exactly sure about what it is your're seeking and you don't have
to tell me at this point. You've just
said it's not during his tenure with Mr. Baez.
So, having said that, for our purposes here today, the court would
basically tell you to go ahead and utilize your subpoena power under that
statute, and if you can all agree on a deposition and it's content, you don't
need to seek leave of the court, just notify me about what's happened.

(15:56)Tennis
Will do

I'm left confused by this interchange. Is the judge saying that, if the States decides to call Dominic as a witness at trial, that they then must release the transcript of the investigative interview? If so, what is the latest date that we can expect to see it released? I just can't imagine that he won't be questioned at trail.

 

[Solace]

this is one of those things that always drives me crazy with this case, and beautifully illustrates how and why kc got away with so much for so long. (and i appologize lambchop, i don't mean to pick on you for this. Everyone does it).

The big problem that most normal people have, is they do not immediately dismiss any information that originates with or comes exclusively from kc. Even when we know she is a "diabolical" liar, we still ferret away her statements and try and in some way blend them into reality.

In this case that statement to kio, by kc that her mother hates hispanic people, or didn't want them in the house. Now ca may or may not have her own personal petty bigotries. But attributing anything coming out of kc's mouth is just not a sign of such. Kc used that particular lie as a way of keeping her various groups of friends compartmentalized. No one friend ever saw the entirety of her life,a nd therefore her lies. She could be a diferent person with each group. It was part of maintaining her fantasy life. It had no basis in reality.

But we normal people are not wired like sociopaths. So when we encounter one, our brains don't know quite how to respond. We are wired to default to believing what people say. And even when it is complete bs, our brains still record it,a t least in part, as fact, and it shapes our ideas and impressions. Marketing folks and politicians use this failing in humanity all of the time in order to get what they want or encourage people to buy what they are selling. A sociopath cuts right through normal people like a hot knife through butter because of this. Even when you know the sociopath is lying, normal people do not dismiss the information. This is why we still see arguements around here over whether george and lee molested kc, over whether cindy hates hispanics, who "zanny" really is, the list goes on. These are all things that were 100% made up by the murdering sociopath behind all of this in order to feed her fantasy. But our brains just can't let go of them.

excellent post on sociopaths.

 

[AZlawyer]

I'm left confused by this interchange. Is the judge saying that, if the States decides to call Dominic as a witness at trial, that they then must release the transcript of the investigative interview? If so, what is the latest date that we can expect to see it released? I just can't imagine that he won't be questioned at trail.

Dom's attorney confused the issue by equating the "filing" of the transcript with it becoming public record. A filed transcript does become a public record--but so does an unfiled transcript, in a state like Florida with the Sunshine Laws! I do not believe ANY of the transcripts we have read have been filed with the court. Normally, a transcript would be filed shortly before trial if a party believes they might want to use it at trial, e.g., for cross-examination of the witness.

If Dominic has been interviewed, and if a transcript was created, and if the media's public records requests are broad enough to cover it, the transcript should be released.

 

[LambChop]

Dom's attorney confused the issue by equating the "filing" of the transcript with it becoming public record. A filed transcript does become a public record--but so does an unfiled transcript, in a state like Florida with the Sunshine Laws! I do not believe ANY of the transcripts we have read have been filed with the court. Normally, a transcript would be filed shortly before trial if a party believes they might want to use it at trial, e.g., for cross-examination of the witness.

If Dominic has been interviewed, and if a transcript was created, and if the media's public records requests are broad enough to cover it, the transcript should be released.

Question: If the interview revealed implications that someone else may have violated a law and there was no proof directly connecting that information to KC but it may bring charges later to another person would they be able to hold up on releasing the transcript until a later date?????

 

[The World According]

Cindy is out and out bizarre - she actually tells the FBI that one of the reasons Casey stayed away so long was she met up with Jeff Hopkins and Jeff's mom was watching the baby (with cancer) I might add and that Casey and Jeff were thinking of getting married.

If that is not bizarre enough, Cindy asks Casey if she is still interested in lawschool when she gets out and maybe Lyon could help. The woman needs shock treatments.

That is hysterical!!!! And true!!:dance:

 

[AZlawyer]

Question: If the interview revealed implications that someone else may have violated a law and there was no proof directly connecting that information to KC but it may bring charges later to another person would they be able to hold up on releasing the transcript until a later date?????

If they asked the court for permission to do so, yes. But then we would know they were asking.

 

[gamom]

excellent post on sociopaths.

Ok, so what the heck is wrong with me? I dismiss EVERYTHING KC says. In fact, the only thing I believe her on is when she says she has not seen her daughter in 31 days and even that is a little questionable to me.

 

[The World According]

Cindy is out and out bizarre - she actually tells the FBI that one of the reasons Casey stayed away so long was she met up with Jeff Hopkins and Jeff's mom was watching the baby (with cancer) I might add and that Casey and Jeff were thinking of getting married.

If that is not bizarre enough, Cindy asks Casey if she is still interested in lawschool when she gets out and maybe Lyon could help. The woman needs shock treatments.

Did Dominic ever get dispatched to go locate this imaginary suedo-fiance of Casey's?
Or, once they learned that Ricardo was her boyfriend , unless it was Wednesday... and then it is Tony or ...what's his name...did they waste time trying to track down the white knight, Jeff?

I cannot tell exactly what Dom did except for talk to a few looney tunes that called and Jenny Lucas, carry Cindy's purse, flash his badge on his belt and copy Muzikman's documents from Webleuths to post on his webpage.
Kidding aside, do we know what he did actually investigate other than if Reverand Grund secretly watched years ago?

 

[RR0004]

Dom's attorney confused the issue by equating the "filing" of the transcript with it becoming public record. A filed transcript does become a public record--but so does an unfiled transcript, in a state like Florida with the Sunshine Laws! I do not believe ANY of the transcripts we have read have been filed with the court. Normally, a transcript would be filed shortly before trial if a party believes they might want to use it at trial, e.g., for cross-examination of the witness.

If Dominic has been interviewed, and if a transcript was created, and if the media's public records requests are broad enough to cover it, the transcript should be released.

Can someone please call up the SA's office and ask them if DC has been interviewed? : )

 

[RR0004]

Did Dominic ever get dispatched to go locate this imaginary suedo-fiance of Casey's, or once they learned that Ricardo was her boyfriend currently, unless it is Wednesday... and then it is Tony or what's his name...did they waste no time trying to track down the white knight Jeff?

I cannot tell exactly what Dom did except for talk to a few looney tunes that called and Jenny Lucas, carry Cindy's purse, flash his badge on his belt and copy Muzikman's documents from Webleuths to post on his webpage.
Kidding aside, do we know what he did actually investigate other than if Reverand Grund secretly watched years ago?

Thanks, TWA! I mentioned this on another thread. From what I can tell he didn't do much legitimate investigating. I find it odd that Cindy entrusted this man to find her "missing" grandchild. I realize that money was a factor way back when...but you'd think with your grandchild being kidnapped and your daughter's life on the line you'd spare no expense hiring a reputable investigative team to search for her. Cindy had to have known all those "tips" (ex: that poor girl in the mall and the one out in CA) were bogus.

 

[The World According]

He had only been a PI for mere months. I would imagine that looking for missing children is specialized and you get an expert for something this important right? The weird thing is it isn't mom and pop who found this novice, it was Jose who hired him. People solicit my office all the time I pay them no mind. I certainly would not have confidence in a lawyer representing my daughter for murder, who would kind of hire, but not really, never pay a former construction dude who wants to play PI? Once again...I blame Jose. He should have just told him, thanks buddy, but no thanks. Right?

 

[sleutherontheside]

IMO DC was hired to dig up dirt on anyone KC had in her life at that time. There were plenty of emails where he sent names and addresses of people based on their vehicle tags........where they discussed how finding "info" on someone would be huge......how they could say that random FB profiles "could be" the nanny.

I think the extent of DC's "work" was looking for anyone that could be used as reasonable doubt. I recall him extending an invitation to Lee that would give him the ability to access more records. Just what records did Lee need to access that he couldn't as a "civilian"?

I think Lee was the only one that knew all of KC's friends and the extended circle. Perhaps they wanted him to dig up dirt on any or all of them.

I think DC is the one that can "confirm" that the family "knew" and that would destroy KC's chances.

I can't help but wonder.........people have speculated as to why we have seen no depo.....perhaps....just maybe......the info he offered is part of a seperate investigation? They wouldn't have to disclose it if it was a work in progress right????

The possibilities are endless.

 

[shotgun09]

I am confident that enough info was shared by Dom, that the SA can "use", and further along their investigation. Whether others will be charged at a later date remains to be seen. Personally, I'm hoping for the bat phone info to come about! Who was he on the phone with in November?

 

[ThinkTank]

IMO DC was hired to dig up dirt on anyone KC had in her life at that time. There were plenty of emails where he sent names and addresses of people based on their vehicle tags........where they discussed how finding "info" on someone would be huge......how they could say that random FB profiles "could be" the nanny.

I think the extent of DC's "work" was looking for anyone that could be used as reasonable doubt. I recall him extending an invitation to Lee that would give him the ability to access more records. Just what records did Lee need to access that he couldn't as a "civilian"?

I think Lee was the only one that knew all of KC's friends and the extended circle. Perhaps they wanted him to dig up dirt on any or all of them.

I think DC is the one that can "confirm" that the family "knew" and that would destroy KC's chances.

I can't help but wonder.........people have speculated as to why we have seen no depo.....perhaps....just maybe......the info he offered is part of a seperate investigation? They wouldn't have to disclose it if it was a work in progress right????

The possibilities are endless.

I totally agree with your theories.
Also, Judge S. told Atty Tennis that Dominic's depo transcript did NOT have to be filed (therefore not released through Sunshine Laws), unless the State was going to use the transcript at trial.

tThe way it was left on Dec. 11, 2009 , Judge S. told LDB to go ahead with her Investigative Interview (which Baez could not attend).
LDB said that she did not "HAVE to file" a transcript of the deposition.
Judge S. said she did not HAVE to file it either. Only if she was going to "use" it, it would be filed. He said a lot of transcripts are NOT filed.
So ....... I imagine Dom did do a interview/depo with Linda D. B., and the transcript of it has not been filed.
If Dom had not done it by now, LDB would have filed some strong Motions to Compel him to do it and to hold him in contempt of court for disobeying the Judge's Order.
Dominic IS on the State's Witness List.

Dec 16, 2009 deposition was cancelled because it was no longer a "regular" deposition - it was relabelled as an "Investigative Interview" - which the public has not heard any more about. But, Judge S. told LDB that she could still utilize that time/date [Dec 16, 2009] if she wanted to.

Dominic hastily moved out of his rented office space January 2010.

Tennis is no longer DCasey's attorney as of 5/7/2010

And Dom's Foreclosure case is set for a Hearing on August 13, 2010.
The last activity in the case was on May 11th when Dom got the records he was asking for.
http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CivilDocket/case_detail_3.jsp?CaseNo=2008CA006234

RAW HEARING: Part 1 - Dec 11, 2009 Hearing
http://www.wftv.com/video/21930588/index.html

(Dominic's attorney) Ms Tennis first - motion to strike & protective Order

Tennis
(4:44) Once the deposition is filed with the court, it is public record which is the other reason why Mr. Casey does not want to be involved in any part of the system that will lead to his exploitation, frankly.......

Tennis
(9:07)
the other difference is that a transcript of a deposition MUST be filed in open
court and obviously, even if you decided to .....I've never seen one that
wasn't

Burdick
(9:15) It's not ....I don't have to file it

Judge
(9:18) no, I mean, they generally are ... I don't get one every time though ...

Tennis
(9:22)
unless the Court entered an Order sealing it, I believe that it would be filed

Judge
(9:27) plenty of times it is not, I guess it's just if it's going to be used, it's filed, but there are plenty of times that it is not. Having said that, Ms Drane Burdick anything else from you.

Judge
(13:15) ..... go ahead and issue the investigative subpoena and go at it that way. If you want to utilize the time that you set aside previously, that's fine with me. [Dec. 16, 2009]

Baez
(14:57) ... we would just make it a moot issue and list him as a witness and then they can go ahead and take their deposition [NOTE: the Defense never made Dominic a Defense witness, that we know of]

Judge
well, that's where we stand, because under 2704, I can't overrule a Statute, it's their investigative power and they have the authority to do that. If you choose to work something out, that's fine with the court.
I'm not exactly sure about what it is your're seeking and you don't have to tell me at this point. You've just
said it's not during his tenure with Mr. Baez. So, having said that, for our purposes here today, the court would basically tell you to go ahead and utilize your subpoena power under that statute, and if you can all agree on a deposition and it's content, you don't need to seek leave of the court, just notify me about what's happened.

(15:56)Tennis
Will do

 

[ThinkTank]

Question: If the interview revealed implications that someone else may have violated a law and there was no proof directly connecting that information to KC but it may bring charges later to another person would they be able to hold up on releasing the transcript until a later date?????

Judge S. said in the Dec 11, 2009 Hearing to Dominic's lawyer, Ms Tennis, that Dominic's depo transcript did not HAVE to be filed (thereby released through Sunshine Laws). LDBurdick also said that she did not HAVE to file the transcript.