Dr. Phil Interviews Burke Ramsey (9/12 & 9/13 2016)

[x_files]

I am one of the ones who believe BR killed her purpose and probably has been plotting it for awhile before he actually did it. He got a thrill out of it.

After seeing all of his interviews I now think you are correct. He was beaming reliving her death.

 

[Magdalyn]

Frigga and Neesaki, these posts are harmful and speculative by people that have no qualifications in doing so. And this is why we can't make progress in this case. I'm tired of asking posters of their experience with people that are not like them. Including race, socioeconomic backgrounds, disabilities, etc. Most of you have NO experience in any of this.

Neesaki said Burke was a "bad seed". Frigga diagnosed him as a "psychopath". There is NO evidence of any of these claims. None. Please take a moment and think about how some diagnose people without any evidence.

I never said anything about posters

Then who exactly is the top post of yours about, if not other posters here on websleths? :waitasec:

 

[Magdalyn]

I apologize if it came across as condescending, it was not my intent. Many on this forum make accusations based on their feelings towards the Ramsey's based on their preconceived notions in regards to the Ramsey's socioeconomic status.

How can this possibly be known by you?

 

[Zeno49]

RE: Lucien Wood - attorney to the rich and famous.

My hunch is that Lucien has spent so much time threatening and cowing potential threats to his privileged clients that he has more or less lost contact with everyman's reality.
He regards himself as a celebrity and I suspect he is pompous arrogant and believes his own bloviating BS. There are no counterbalances in his life since he sees himself as the Emperor and does NOT brook criticism.

I assume he merely called his client Philip McGraw - also a man of Wood's ilk - suggested McGraw do a 2 hour infomercial by showing off Burke as ordinary pleasant albeit nervous and utterly without guile. Wood assumed that most of McGraw's viewing public would accept virtually every word coming out of McGraw's mendacious lips.
"Of course I did not interrogate him seriously. He is NOT a suspect - people!"
McGraw - Burke has NEVER been suspected by anybody at any time.
McGraw - JR and BR have been completely exculpated/ cleared of any wrongdoing.
etc, etc, etc

The show McGraw put on this past week on behalf of the John Ramsey PR machine followed his usual modus operandi. McGraw does very very little work or thinking. He merely calls in his shows. His retinue of producers do all the research and write up position papers; collate the data, and deliver McGraw a briefing book a day or so before the show. McGraw simply parrots his staffs work- while uttering self serving pronouncements, such as " I ve been in the business for over 30 years"

McGraw's show is a match made in heaven for the Ramsey PR machine John Ramsey and Phil McGraw are masters of the "con" and such a pageant given legal cache by Lucien Wood should form a chapter in any PR textbook

 

[ukrberserker23]

Just watched the Dr. Phil interviews. Pardon my French, but I want to kick BR straight in his little balls.

 

[Magdalyn]

I suspect he is pompous arrogant and believes his own bloviating BS. There are no counterbalances in his life since he sees himself as the Emperor and does NOT brook criticism.

I think a lot of us know this personality type:fence:

 

[Zeno49]

Thanks for your comments.
Re the issues you raise on assertion #3. I completely agree.
And indeed I would go with the simpler explanation. I agree it is entirely possible if not likely that Burke strangled first and perhaps final.
The head wound for me is very very problematic.
I am a neuroradiologist by profession and have interpreted thousands of head scans of victims sustaining serious blunt trauma to the skull.
I simply do not recall a single incidence of someone suffering a powerful blow to the skull by a blunt object - club, rock, bat, bar. lamp etc or who have sustained a deceleration injury to the head ( head vs dashboard, window, wall etc) who has not concomitantly presented with fairly massive scalp swelling at or near the point of impact.
The scalp almost always generates "edema" "swelling" "interstitial bleeding" - "goose egg" "bruising" that extends far beyond the point of impact. In the event that the scalp overlying skin is broken - lacerated, very substantial bleeding occurs over the scalp and face. On this point, I am only referring to all the layers constituting the soft tissue covering of the skull.

To cause a depressed well demarcateded skull fracture in a child (different force requirements vs a more mature adult skull) necessitates a substantial amount of concentrated kinetic energy (but easily delivered by a 9 yr old boy). The pathologic elements within the brain and its leptomeninges that would ensue at the fracture site as well as pathologic changes to the brain at the opposite side of the blow would be distinctive. The early coroners autopsy report and description of scalp, skull, dura, arachnoid, brain cortex, subcortex, deep white matter, pattern of brain swelling did not seem in keeping with an acute or even subacute blunt instrument blow to the skull. A number of statements struck me as "off" or "curious".


Thus I am on the hunt to view autopsy photos as well as photos of the detached brain, and microscopic views of the cut brain.
To date I have been unsuccessful in finding these photos.

If I could view this material I could advance a more reliable of what happened that night.

 

[flgrl017]

Name it

Read the grand jury indictment and think about it. Something was going on in that house. If burke would have been in danger too he would have been removed by cps.

 

[Zeno49]

My hunch is Lucien Wood has NO intention whatsoever of bringing a defamation case to trial.
Lucien filled such a suit simply as a means of "keeping up with appearances" - namely, to perpetuate the national myth that the Ramsey family is innocent and they have been persecuted. Wood's threat simply underlines this contention.

It is a near certainty that CBS legal division and its army of lawyers - specializing in defamation tort law - have vetted their Ramsey Documentary prior to release.
I also suspect that these lawyers cut a significant amount of material that might veer towards the line of defamation.
CBS will defend 1st amendment rights - very powerful.
CBS as all citizens have the right to voice "an opinion". It is unlikely that none of the CBS experts ever claimed to be pronouncing the unvarnished TRUTH.
Most experts are cautious, and couch their pronouncements in terms of "hypotheses" or "conjectures".

Because Burke was paraded before a national audience his status becomes elevated to one of a "public figure" who by necessity must expect greater and potential critical scrutiny. No court is going to shut this kind of scrutiny down due to the chilling effect the mere threat of a defamation suit would have on "free speech".

Wood as does many plaintiff tort attorneys use threats of lawsuits as a bully mechanisms - the civil equivalent of threatening assault and battery. These threats are used as serious threats of damage designed to silence a critic.

Having said all of that, to prevail Wood would have to show "intent" to do "damage" ie "malice intent". It would be extremely difficult to prove that CBS harbored deliberate explicit malicious intent" when airing this documentary.

And finally the last thing Wood, John Ramsey, and Burke Ramsey want is to sit under oath and be deposed by a bevy of mean rabid tort attorney's that CBS would unleash.

Indeed I would wager that CBS management and legal department would salivate at the prospects of "mixing it up" with Lucien and facing down John Ramsey "mano a mano". And then the effects on poor Burke. If Burke was given to defecate on Jonbenet's belongings 20 years ago, Burke sitting before a video camera and microphone under oath will suffer hours and hours of diarrhea.

My guess is that CBS's reaction to the news that Lucien is threatening to sue is "Bring it on, sucker"

 

[ElleElle]

I said this because many posters have commented on the Ramsey's wealth. I never said anything about posters

Yes, well, unfortunately our society is built on "affluenza syndrome" where the wealthy do not get convicted. Several rapists come to mind and others who have committed heinous crimes and got off with a slap on the hand.

 

[observation]

My hunch is Lucien Wood has NO intention whatsoever of bringing a defamation case to trial.
Lucien filled such a suit simply as a means of "keeping up with appearances" - namely, to perpetuate the national myth that the Ramsey family is innocent and they have been persecuted. Wood's threat simply underlines this contention.

It is a near certainty that CBS legal division and its army of lawyer - specializing in defamation tort law - had vetted their Ramsey Documentary prior to release.
I also supect that these lawyers cut a significant amount of material that might veer towards the line of defamation.
CBS will defend 1st amendment rights - very powerful.
CBS as all citizens have the right to voice "an opinion". It is unlikely that none of the CBS experts ever claimed to be pronouncing the unvarnished TRUTH.
Most experts are cautious, and couch their pronouncements in terms of "hypotheseses" or "conjectures".

Because Burke was paraded before a national audience his status becomes elevated to one of a "public figure" who by necessity must expect greater and potential critical scrutiny. No court is going to shut this kind of scrutiny down due to the chilling effect the mere threat of a defamation suit would have on "free speech".

Wood as does many plaintiff tort attorneys use threats of lawsuits as a bully mechanisms - the civil equivalent of threatening assault and battery. These threats are used as serious threats of damage designed to silence a critic.

Having said all of that, to prevail Wood would have to show "intent" to do "damage" ie "malice intent". It would be extremely difficult to prove that CBS harbored deliberate explicit malicious intent" when airing this documentary.

And finally the last thing Wood, John Ramsey, and Burke Ramsey want is to sit under oath and be deposed by a bevy of mean rabid tort attorney's that CBS would unleash.

Indeed I would wager that CBS management and legal department would salivate at the prospects of "mixing it up" with Lucien and facing down John Ramsey "mano a mano". And then the effects on poor Burke. If Burke was given to defecate on Jonbenet's belongings 20 years ago, Burke sitting before a video camera and microphone under oath will suffer hours and hours of diarrhea.

My guess is that CBS's reaction to the news that Lucien is threatening to sue is "Bring it on, sucker"

Basically LW flapped his gums in a typical "knee jerk" reaction type fashion before realizing this was just another perspective that is wholly based on real information. I see there are many pro- Ramsey posters here. My advice actually read and watch their interviews (PR AND JR) which are very much available to the public and then look at the actual evidence and judge for yourself. Before you rush to the side of anyone here- learn the facts.


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[fedfan4life]

And I would say there is much less actual evidence tying her to Kyron's disappearance than there is tying the Ramseys to the murder of JB. Even though I totally think she did it.


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Yep. Telling is it not? Phil McGraw showed his true colors, and they are not pretty.

 

[fedfan4life]

Harmful to whom? The point of this entire forum is to speculate. Burke is not a verboten victim subject. In fact, he's the title of many threads. He's fair game, like it or not.

How can you possibly know what any poster's race, experience with disabilities, and socioeconomic background is? Why is this information necessary? Why should anyone have to outline their demographics to another poster in order to offer an opinion on the case? Jurors are not required to match the defendant in race, disability, or socioeconomic background in order to find the defendant guilty or not guilty as charged. Neither are we.



Isn't this for a Websleuths moderator to decide?

Deflect and obfuscate. Those are the reasons.

 

[BBB167893]

RE: Lucien Wood - attorney to the rich and famous.

My hunch is that Lucien has spent so much time threatening and cowing potential threats to his privileged clients that he has more or less lost contact with everyman's reality.
He regards himself as a celebrity and I suspect he is pompous arrogant and believes his own bloviating BS. There are no counterbalances in his life since he sees himself as the Emperor and does NOT brook criticism.

I assume he merely called his client Philip McGraw - also a man of Wood's ilk - suggested McGraw do a 2 hour infomercial by showing off Burke as ordinary pleasant albeit nervous and utterly without guile. Wood assumed that most of McGraw's viewing public would accept virtually every word coming out of McGraw's mendacious lips.
"Of course I did not interrogate him seriously. He is NOT a suspect - people!"
McGraw - Burke has NEVER been suspected by anybody at any time.
McGraw - JR and BR have been completely exculpated/ cleared of any wrongdoing.
etc, etc, etc

The show McGraw put on this past week on behalf of the John Ramsey PR machine followed his usual modus operandi. McGraw does very very little work or thinking. He merely calls in his shows. His retinue of producers do all the research and write up position papers; collate the data, and deliver McGraw a briefing book a day or so before the show. McGraw simply parrots his staffs work- while uttering self serving pronouncements, such as " I ve been in the business for over 30 years"

McGraw's show is a match made in heaven for the Ramsey PR machine John Ramsey and Phil McGraw are masters of the "con" and such a pageant given legal cache by Lucien Wood should form a chapter in any PR textbook

Your assessment of Wood's character sure fits with what we know.

 

[sharkeyes]

I watched Burke on Dr. Phil. At first, I figured, well, he's socially awkward, very nervous, he was only 9 when JB was killed so he won't be able to offer much in the way of information. As I watched, re-wound, (had it DVR'd), re-listened and actually observed Burke as if I had no idea who he was, I conclude that: 1. He is sitting there like the cat that swallowed the canary - cue Nelson Muntz from The Simpsons - Ha! Haaaaaa!, and knows as long as he keeps up this act he's gotten away with it; or 2. He had no involvement but knows what happened and has been covering up for his parents. Strange that when John Ramsey appeared to talk with Dr. Phil, he had his attorney with him - most of the time, I do remember seeing JR by himself across from Dr. P a couple times.

 

[wannagonorth]

If he was going to remove the body he would have done it before daylight the night of the murder. First of all, obviously he'd have a better chance of not being seen removing the body at night, plus he'd have the time to bury or hide her in a woods or whatever. Secondly, they wouldn't have to stage the scene at the house if there is no body. Any evidence to do with the body would not implicate them either, as long as the body was never found or found much later after decomposition. When the call from the kidnappers didn't come at 10am, it would begin to be assumed by the police that something went wrong and JB had been killed. That is, of course, if the authorities bought the kidnapping scenario at all, but in any case, it looks better for the Ramsey's if JB was not found in the house along with a ransom note that makes no sense because there was no kidnapping.

I see no logical possibility that his plan would have been to try and remove the body AFTER the police were there and it was daylight? He would have to assume that the police would have done their own search and found JB very quickly. The BP's incompetence is not something he could have expected. No, once the phone call was made he had to assume they were going to find the body.

I am beginning to think that the change in the Ramseys' plans (from flying to Charlevoix to flying to Atlanta on 12/26) was decided the night before in connection with disposing of the body. I don't think Patsy would have consented to having JonBenet dumped in the woods around Boulder, even if someone could have spirited the body out in the middle of the night without detection. I think they planned to carry her out to the plane the next day while the police were out searching Boulder for the kidnappers, and fly her to Atlanta to be buried there in secret. Maybe they thought that leaving her in the basement would stall decomposition as well as keep her hidden from view, and they'd be able to sneak her past the pilot with some excuse about how she was sick or sleeping on the plane (or, if the pilot knew about the kidnapping, then bundled up in the luggage so he wouldn't realize she was on the plane at all). Maybe on one of John's “absenses” he checked her over and realized that wouldn't work – she was clearly in rigor and the body was starting to smell. So he “found” the body on his next trip down to the basement, even though that didn't fit in with the kidnapping story.


Does anybody know (1) what the pilot was told when he spoke to John or (2) when John first called the pilot to change the plans? I haven't seen any interviews with the pilot that I can remember.

 

[ConcernedinDC]

This doesn't point one way or the other but, something that stuck out to me was that Burke said people would tell him to "go comfort his mother" I wonder if he felt or someone told him he had to put on a brave face and be strong for his mom leading to a lack of emotion.

 

[wannagonorth]

I watched Burke on Dr. Phil. At first, I figured, well, he's socially awkward, very nervous, he was only 9 when JB was killed so he won't be able to offer much in the way of information. As I watched, re-wound, (had it DVR'd), re-listened and actually observed Burke as if I had no idea who he was, I conclude that: 1. He is sitting there like the cat that swallowed the canary - cue Nelson Muntz from The Simpsons - Ha! Haaaaaa!, and knows as long as he keeps up this act he's gotten away with it; or 2. He had no involvement but knows what happened and has been covering up for his parents. Strange that when John Ramsey appeared to talk with Dr. Phil, he had his attorney with him - most of the time, I do remember seeing JR by himself across from Dr. P a couple times.

It looked to me like a sly "You can't catch me" sort of smile. Like I almost expected to hear "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah" after some of his responses. Especially about the pineapple.

 

[wannagonorth]

I really didn't expect Dr. Phil to come out and openly say he believed one of the family did it (if he really felt that way) but I sure am surprised he has taken such a stance on IDI theory and making fun at those of us in the RDI "camp" ( as he calls us) with his smirks and chuckles. So insulting. And no, I'm not basing my beliefs on tabloids.

I always had a lot of respect for Dr. Phil. I thought he was sensible, fair-minded, and not afraid to speak the hard truth. After his lecture berating those who still suspect the Ramseys, my opinion totally changed. How dare he tell us what to believe? I do think it was damage control.

I think that, in advance of the CBS documentary, Lin Wood called his pal Dr. Phil and asked him to use his clout to sway his TV audience to support Burke's innocence. Dr.Phil probably said “Well, I can't just stand in front of the camera and proclaim Burke's innocence, a propos of nothing. I need to build a show around it, interview him on camera, etc., to provide a context for that. Lin Wood agreed to make that happen in return for Dr.Phil's promise to support Burke's and the Ramseys' innocence. But he didn't count on Burke coming across as hinky as he does, and then he really had to lay it on thick, chastising those of us who dared to question the Ramseys' claims of innocence. He made himself look like a complete shill in the process. He lost all credibility with me and I'm sure many others.

 

[johnjay]

I always had a lot of respect for Dr. Phil. I thought he was sensible, fair-minded, and not afraid to speak the hard truth. After his lecture berating those who still suspect the Ramseys, my opinion totally changed. How dare he tell us what to believe? I do think it was damage control.

I think that, in advance of the CBSdocumentary, Lin Wood called his pal Dr. Phil and asked him to usehis clout to sway his TV audience to support Burke's innocence. Dr.Phil probably said “Well, I can't just stand in front of the cameraand proclaim Burke's innocence, a propos of nothing. I need to builda show around it, interview him on camera, etc., to provide a contextfor that. Lin Wood agreed to make that happen in return for Dr.Phil's promise to support Burke's and the Ramseys' innocence. But hedidn't count on Burke coming across as hinky as he does, and then hereally had to lay it on thick, chastising those of us who dared toquestion the Ramseys' claims of innocence. He made himself look likea complete shill in the process. He lost all credibility with me andI'm sure many others.

Yep, I wonder how that's "workin for him."