Dr. Phil w/George and Cindy Anthony Air Date 9/13 and 9/14 2011 Thead # 2

[IfIMay]

I'm trying to remember exactly what Cindy said -- your post made me remember part of it at least. Cindy said something like after all that Casey has been through that Cindy felt Casey would be 'extra careful'.

And there goes CA showing the same disregard for future grandchildren that she showed to Caylee. :waitasec:

 

[krkrjx]

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krkrjx, this has been bugging me to no end. I wish LA. would open up and tell but he wont. I keep hoping this wasnt a repeat. Wish someone could see the medical records from OB..:seeya:

There is no way for us to know Casey's full criminal record. She may look like she was squeaky clean prior to her arrests for check fraud, but how do we know she was not a criminal of record as a juvenile?

Regardless, I believe Casey committed crimes for years and her parents covered for her. Even if she was never arrested prior to 2008, Casey could still be a criminal of long-standing.

Lee's, "Is this like the last time?" speaks chapters in this regard, and Cindy's rushing in to fix the damage speaks volumes.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

You are certainly entitled to you opinion. But where you get Cindy is "pure evil" I don't see it. She is in profound denial and she is protecting herself from being responsible for her grandchild's death. It is just too hard to face it. That is not evil it is denial. If she were pure evil, we would see a lot more death associated with her.

MOO ... Respectfully, while I understand what you are saying ... and I understand that many think Cindy is in "denial" ... and we can "agree to disagree" ...

I do NOT see DENIAL ... what I see from Cindy is PURE DECEPTION ... in simple terms, LIES !

"Cindy" has done so much "damage" over the past 3+ years, it is too much to list here ... but y'all here at WS know this case by 'heart' and know what she did ...

One of the things that stands out to me is Cindy trying to throw INNOCENT people 'UNDER THE BUS' for what HER DAUGHTER DID ... like Jesse, Amy and others ! In my opinion, that it PURE EVIL as well as HATEFUL ! Cindy is of the "MINDSET" of "NOT MY DAUGHTER", when everyone KNOWS it IS your daughter, Cindy, and Cindy KNOWS THIS AS WELL -- it is about IMAGE with Cindy !

Another thing about Cindy is her DECEPTION ... she has NEVER told the TRUTH from Day 31 ... through the Trial ... and now even Post Trial. And again, Phil McGraw and his network should be ASHAMED of themselves for giving the Anthony's 3 Hours of more bs !

Cindy did EVERYTHING and ANYTHING she could do to get her daughter off of a "murder rap" ... and that IN MY OPINION, makes her just as "guilty" as the "murderer" ... MOO !

She put the "felon" first and NOT the VICTIM of this horrendous murder Caylee !

So sad ... I hope Caylee is resting in peace ...

MOO MOO MOO ...

 

[Concerned Papa]

You are certainly entitled to you opinion. But where you get Cindy is "pure evil" I don't see it. She is in profound denial and she is protecting herself from being responsible for her grandchild's death. It is just too hard to face it. That is not evil it is denial. If she were pure evil, we would see a lot more death associated with her.

BBM

I'm not so sure but that evil might be a pretty good fit:

e·vil 

adjective

1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.

2. harmful; injurious:

3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous

4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.

5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.

www.dictionary.com

 

[MsMacGyver]

It's very telling that CA talks about GA as if he is a child. We saw evidence many times how stunted the felon was by CA's control issues. GA needs a good dose of reality, they both need to do some major growing up. CA will always try to control everything and everyone around her because she has no control over herself.
When you become an adult, you have this great opportunity to examine who you are and who you would like to become. Some just except who they are and never realize they can change things. I'm so glad I didn't follow in my mothers footsteps. My daughter told me the other day, I love Dad but I'm so glad you didn't stay married to him. She see's her father for who he is and knows it's not her fault that he's incapable of having close relationships. My Mom could have saved me alot of heartache if she had taught me this when I was younger.

 

[cityslick]

I don't think she is in denial at all. I think she wants to project the false notion that she is.

If this had just happened maybe a year or so ago then maybe denial but to have these bizarre theories after three plus years is not denial. It is purposefully done rather than saying publicly she knows her daughter killed Caylee.

imo

You believe there is a time limit to how long one could be in denial?

I believe some psychologists would like to have a word with you on that.

 

[Hope4More]

Logical Girl-

I don't know you at all- obviously-but what I hear in your posts is a woman with a kind and generous heart. That you say you struggle with how you parent only reinforces that sense of you, as well as making it plain that you are mindful of who and why you are, and that you love your children so much that you will do anything and everything in your power to love them well.

To answer your perhaps rhetorical question- I guess that you rightfully grieve more for your friend, who in a profound way was likely a member of your "real" family, those we get to choose out of love and who genuinely love us back.

 

[krkrjx]

Karma has already gotten Cindy; what else can happen to her. Her granddaughter is dead and her daughter killed her.

Cindy loved Caylee very much, but she never thought her daughter would kill her, never. Who would think that. She just figured she is irresponsible and I want Caylee here so I don't want to rock the KC boat. But she knew that things were coming to a head and they may have come to a head June 15th and they had a huge argument.

I also think Cindy wanted a baby in the house. She is a registered nurse and she knew KC was pregnant and let it go. She knew that she was too immature to have a child and take care of her, but Cindy, imo, wanted a baby in the house.

Knowing all of this about Cindy, I still don't believe that she needs to be knocked down anymore than she has. The woman is living in profound denial and this denial is about a scintilla of an inch below the surface. It is not even a subconcious awareness, she is AWARE that her daughter killed Caylee. She just can't admit this or she has to admit that she failed. I don't know how much more karma one needs, but she has gotten hers for sure. It is very hard to feel compassion for Cindy especially when she is smug in the interviews, but she is suffering still. She does not need to be nailed to the cross.

I would be inclinded to agree with all you have said except for the fact that they are setting up the foundation. I just cannot accept their fighting for grandparents rights when they did not even try as grandparents to interevene on Caylee's behalf. Perhaps the laws would have thwarted intervention but until one TRIES, one can never know. These people may be suffering and may be in denial about the death, but it is difficult to deny they hope to make money from it. WIth that in play, I cannot muster the sympathy that I might otherwise.

 

[MsMacGyver]

I wonder if anyone would agree that CA can be both in denial and manipulative. I believe a person can't be defined by just one word. I tend to be very serious most times here but actually deal with most things with ALOT of humor. I'm grateful when someone here gives me a good laugh because I was so invested in this trial and so devastated with the verdict.

 

[Wishbone]

You believe there is a time limit to how long one could be in denial?

I believe some psychologists would like to have a word with you on that.

I would say IMO that these actions preclude CA ever having been in any kind of denial.

Lied to police and the court, obstructed justice, and even destroyed evidence, but the worst was she tried to incriminate innocent people. What part of this is denial?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You believe there is a time limit to how long one could be in denial?

I believe some psychologists would like to have a word with you on that.

I believe that after 3 plus years there would be some progress made. Yet the excuses are becoming even more and more bizarre each and every time she opens her mouth. It is my opinion she is not in denial. She is in her usual Cover Casey Anthony's butt mode and protecting her own image.

Unfortunately I have known others who have suffered tremendous losses in their lives and I have yet to know anyone three years out that is still on another planet. Especially one who has been in therapy supposedly for all three years.

imo

 

[logicalgirl]

Logical Girl-

I don't know you at all- obviously-but what I hear in your posts is a woman with a kind and generous heart. That you say you struggle with how you parent only reinforces that sense of you, as well as making it plain that you are mindful of who and why you are, and that you love your children so much that you will do anything and everything in your power to love them well.

To answer your perhaps rhetorical question- I guess that you rightfully grieve more for your friend, who in a profound way was likely a member of your "real" family, those we get to choose out of love and who genuinely love us back.

Thank you for your kind words.

Regarding your answer to my rhetorical question - I was able to openly express my love and appreciation to my friend - and my profound regret that I was losing too soon, a friend I cared for so deeply - to her before she died.

But no, it is my younger sister I mourn the most. The sister who lost her way in this world. The sister who could not reach out for help because her pain was too deep. The sister I did not help and did not express my love for or say goodbye to before she caused her own death. I hope she has found peace and I pray I can one day forgive myself.

You see, my friend was easy to love. My sister was not.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

There is no way for us to know Casey's full criminal record. She may look like she was squeaky clean prior to her arrests for check fraud, but how do we know she was not a criminal of record as a juvenile?

Regardless, I believe Casey committed crimes for years and her parents covered for her. Even if she was never arrested prior to 2008, Casey could still be a criminal of long-standing.

Lee's, "Is this like the last time?" speaks chapters in this regard, and Cindy's rushing in to fix the damage speaks volumes.

Good points ... I understand that "juvenile" are "sealed", but I wish Phil McGraw would have asked the Anthony's IF the "felon" had any "priors" as a "juvenile" or even while in high school.

Of course, the Anthony's would have LIED about it, but their "body language" would have just said it all ...

MOO ...

 

[essies]

I think Tricia and Kimster need to get Dr. Phil on WS Radio this Sunday night!!!
Shout out to Dr. Phil-We got some questions for you!! :great:

 

[MsMacGyver]

Didn't KC do the same to GA before he testified to the Grand Jury? Wanted them to "bond" and it got quite mushy there for awhile about what great father and grandfather he was. KC's good at throwing out those compliments when she wants something. Hummmmm. Now I wonder what she wants this time. A job, perhaps on the board of the foundation? Seems to me KC will go where the money is. This family deserves each other.

Should KC get back with her family and have another child and that child disappears we will never hear about it. Only good news is DCF has a file on her and if she does have another child my guess is they may follow up on it. One can only hope she does not decide to get pregnant. KC can say what she wants but I think a child is not in her plans for the future.

The one mystery here in this whole thing is Mallory. Why would she ever give KC a glowing report when KC has just accused her future husband of being a pedifile? That blows my mind. I can see, in a way, why the jury was so confused. Nothing added up and they just did not want to trust the State (for whatever reasons). At least the SA's appeared to have normal, healthy lifestyles. Neither KC nor CA cried when the grief lady talked about the mother sitting in the rain at her son's grave but LDB sure did. That's normal. jmo

BBM
MP also told her co-worker that she thought the felon did something to Caylee. This is IMO..Evidence of the familys performance on the stand.

 

[lonetraveler]

When you look at the pictures of Cindy and KC at Cindy's brother's wedding and see just how pregnant KC is, we then KNOW just how willing Cindy is to lie even when KC smiles at Rick's son when he asks "so whose the daddy".

Cindy is willing to make a complete and utter fool of herself in the name of "image".

Wasn't it bizarre when KC stood up in the courtroom and turned to the side immediately "like a soldier" and showed off her stomach to Cindy and the world when Cindy was asked to get up and look at KC's stomach that day. The way KC whirled around to show a side view was JUST BIZARRE. And she looked at Cindy with utter hate.

LOL, what made me spit was seeing Casey with her padded, uplift bra sticking those suckers up in the air so that her waist and stomach area appeared even smaller. I think the male jurors got a bit distracted at this time and decided that this big busted attractive woman just could not have harmed her child......LOL. Casey was so pregnant at the wedding, Ray Charles could have seen it.

 

[logicalgirl]

Thank you for your kind words.

Regarding your answer to my rhetorical question - I was able to openly express my love and appreciation to my friend - and my profound regret that I was losing too soon, a friend I cared for so deeply - to her before she died.

But no, it is my younger sister I mourn the most. The sister who lost her way in this world. The sister who could not reach out for help because her pain was too deep. The sister I did not help and did not express my love for or say goodbye to before she caused her own death. I hope she has found peace and I pray I can one day forgive myself.

You see, my friend was easy to love. My sister was not.

Sorry I have been going O/T but there has been a method to my "madness". It is examples above to explain why I always make an effort to go the "extra" step to try to understand what makes people tick, even if I really dislike their behaviour - and in this case - I am talking about Cindy.

Cindy's behaviour makes it very hard to even want to try to understand what is driving her. It's far too easy to get lost in anger at her her behaviour...

 

[wonders]

Well Cindy can't get "mad" at George with Dr. Phil there, so she does the next best thing and "negates" George's belief with his being "hurt" because of the sexual molestation charges - meaning he really does not believe his daughter killed Caylee.
Not only does George have to put up with the sex charges, but he has to listen to his wife explaining why he feels the way he does, because George, as Cindy well knows, cannot think for himself and she is there to do that for him and answer any questions re same. Thank you so much Cindy. How very nice of you. George, say thank you to Cindy.

BBM
And that's where Geroge should speak up and say "NO, That's not why Cindy!" to put her in her place for thinking and speaking for him. Geesh, these people make me tired.

 

[Hope4More]

LGirl-

I am so sorry about every circumstance you describe about your sister's death. How beyond painful for you.

As for my wrong guess... my own experience with family reveals itself yet again. Sorry, if that is order.

Just saw you last post- I spent very many hours trying to understand Cindy before reaching conclusions-- you and I just came to different conclusions. Peace.

 

[jon_burrows]

BBM: I agree.

Cindy's "looks" -- her "new" ? face make-up, contacts, clothing -- may look "good" on the outside ...

But ... on the INSIDE she is "pure evil" ....

And WHY in the hades Phil McGraw did NOT challenge Cindy to the point of "breaking her down" -- as well as George -- was a HUGE WASTE of 3 hours of air time !

MOO ...

I agree, it takes an evil person to try and pin a murder on an innocent person. Thankfully Cindy's devious plan didn't work but her intent was there. Free FCA at any cost even if it meant an innocent person sat in prison for the rest of their life.

What did Amy get in return for taking Cindy to FCA's hideout at Tony's, a big fat lie from Cindy that Amy could be the nanny. Cindy had never even met Amy until she called her that day to find FCA.

As far as George, he can turn on the grieving grandfather one minute then belligerent the next. He is on the Caylee gravy train as well. He just hides it a bit better than Cindy. Why can't they do an interview for free? Everything has a price.

I honestly don't know how they can enjoy the money and freebies they get from Caylee's death. They don't do anything for free.


IMO